InstantAtlas Public Health Webinar No.2 with the Alaska Department of Health and Social Services

well my name is a troll jus d’amour and I’m fortunate to here today to discuss how I went through automating Henson Atlas production using the access data manager so here my goal was trying to summarize the Alaska behavioral risk factor surveillance system using commercial off-the-shelf software and as the solution I went and automated the creation of the instantatlas data files using the access data manager in conjunction with fast macros and fat-soluble Sudan statistical software an ancillary benefit of this enterprise was that the analog component can also be used to comprise compressive comprehensive data analysis results when XML creation is not needed the software requirements are the instantatlas access data manager within SAS you require the SAS base as well as the staff access and staff access is a module that allows you to interface with either access or Excel and last i’m using suits a scrollable sudan for its ease and creating age adjusted rates but it’s particular could be substituted with fast at so the process of creating a xml data file start with an inventory of health indicators then next we will create database pairs for each geographic system so for my case I Alaska’s using for Geographic systems and so for each one of them I create a database one for the crew drape and one to hold th adjusted rates and last we input the parameters into the table data layout all within the access data manager to govern the now says so too to conduct this inventory of health indicators first I put all the information into an Excel spreadsheet with in the spreadsheet I’ve identified my theme my indicator and a variable of interest I’ve also indicated all the years of analysis in this particular case i shortened it to the the last 11 years and on this I they identified which survey instrument contained a variable so starting in 2004 Alaska move to to survey instrument we have what we call our standard survey which is our CDC funded BRFSS and then we’ve also added a modified or supplemental survey funded by our Alaskan tobacco control program which is denoted by an M when variables appear on both the standard and modified surveys I’ve indicated that with a see so this sheet allows us to to see where our unless survey instruments the variable appears and then I’ve created a unique data files for time series one is chart i’m using a color code of red to indicate when i can only use single year data and green when a witch when it’s possible to produce three year averages from the information and because i’m using three year averages i need to have a consistent variable name so over here under the variables you can see a lot of indicators with preceded by an X which indicates that that these are my time series variables lastly I wanted to show that in addition to using percentages we also have a few healthy days and in which we’re doing producing means mean days for poor physical health or mental health physical acts activity limitation and days and also for sleep so this is a necessary prerequisite for setting up our analysis protocols so so if you have your single year analysis you can just be use your existing variables even though the names may change between years that’s not important that you’re using just single year the inventory of health indicators

facilitates creating summary variables and data sets when you have to use multi year averages as a result of varying combination of survey instruments are split frames over time within the access data manager we create a new table called Table Bay to lay out and this contains our variables of the theme ID and theme name which provides our order of themes and labels a question ID in question names which provides the sequence au revoir and which is the name of our BRFSS variable a response ID and indicator name which is our response sequence and label our meta text which in this case would be our beer of success survey question which custom palette the color specification you want to indicate for that variable the risk larki which is our short name and response category such as sex kool and mail and include an exclude and this is enables us to defined rebonds categories for the numerator and denominator such as when we’re looking at general health we can contrast poor which has a value of Phi versus response categories 1 2 & 3 without having to create a brand new variable next we’re able to identify which age group inc vacation will be using for age adjusted the geography and the geography levels like a say and Alaska we have four geographic systems and the levels range from six to twenty nine last we were able to put in the years and the time interval so you are able to do analysis for either on a single line if all the variables appear in one data set you can do all of our analysis on one mind if it’s using multiple data sets each unique data set will result in another line for that variable and last we’re able to specify the data source and which is the weighting variable so you’re able to use you know Europe in the future we’ll be able to assign weights whether it’s these based upon adults children or households this kinetic shows how we use the pace of data from the access data manager so we have the table data layout feeding information here into our SAS callable Sudan program for percentages and then we will have a comparable table table data layout underscore mean for those few variables which require means they are drawing upon a common directory which contains all of our BFS data sets because we’re computing both age-adjusted and crude rates within each program the output is being directed either to our database for H adjusted rates or the database for crude rates and the information is being stored in table raw data after the we’ve run through all of the variables we can then use a series of user-defined queries to prove the data and inform and format it to the specifications required by table and last we can use the create data form within the data manager to create our XML files so the SAS natural allows acquiring analysis parameters from the table data layout and that access data manager it a diet identifies the variable it identifies the response categories that we want to use in the numerator and the denominator the year or year range the geographic variable and number of subdivisions the computation of regional and statewide values with a break down by race disability age or poverty status for example and then we’re creating both crude and adjusted rates and we’re also using the National Center for Health Statistics data quality evaluation and then also specifying data suppression rules within the BRFSS we typically suppress data when it’s based upon fewer than 50 respondents and last we can

export the data into our table data raw prospective databases for a crude and age adjusted rate here I’ve selected some of the SAS code here we can see we’ve creating the map so called risk bar and then next we’re specifying which variables that we want to be able to access throughout the program we’re identifying the path in which to find the access data manager in this particular case we have it on our C Drive in a intern at the subdirectory and we’re also using identifying what is going to be our suppression rule for the data in this particular case for the BRFSS we’re using 50 if this was why RBS data says this would be increased 100 and lastly we’re bringing were using the same access module to import the data from the Access database and so here where you can see we’re bringing in the data table this is our table data layout we’re storing it as data layout and then we’re bringing it in from the database and here I is my convention that i use for identifying my database i have my geographic system this one is the alaska department of labor labor market areas i’m using this database is some raising single year data and i’m using our 2011 BRFSS data set for age adjusted and at this time I’m using the version 6.6 one of the access data manager this is the core of the procedure is creating macro variables what we’re doing is we have taking the table data layout variables from the Access database and we’re bringing it into SAS we’re trying to turn them into mackerel variables for use in the statistical analysis so here’s some examples we earlier had discussed that the question ID what this is going to do is read all of the rows within the data and it’s a signing account so we’re creating an array we’re bringing our question ID here’s our risk VAR n is our BRFSS variable response ID’d the text that goes with the variable to subdivide the information into response categories we’re using the included the exclude we’re identifying what age adjustment distribution to use which geographic systems and the geographic levels what is the year range and what is the interval so if we were using single year we can specify we to do all 21 years of the data saying like 1991 to 2011 and our interval would be one or we could specify this as three year averages next we are able to identify the unique data source to use with that variable for the particular time frame that has been specified so the actual analysis here occurs within Sudan here we’re using the process script and you can see that we’ve missed particular case we have hard-coded here we’re going to use a variable called final weight we’ve previously in the program we’ve defined our variable of interest into two categories and we’re doing analysis based upon geography we have an Alaska free race category of white Alaska and everybody else only adds up to one hundred percent and they were giving our year range and our sub groups are the age group the geography the years and the race and we specify that what we’re getting back out of this system is reporting the sample size the weighted sample size the percentage the confidence interval at the percentage the standard error of the percent the strata and the primary sampling unit and also the design effect so these data are used both to summarize the data and also used in the national center for health statistics to evaluate the quality of the information the value of using sedan

the script is is just that the addition of just two lines our standard bar which will be our which age group iver iya beware using and then by applying the standard weight we’re able to output the data after it’s been aged justed so what once the data analysis happens what we do is we go to a process where we extract the existing data and earth that has already been previously imported into the database and our table raw data we append are the results of our new analysis and then we export back out the updated information back into the Access database so it’s a it’s an iterative process as each analysis we bring in the existing information attend the new analysis results and export it back out once we’ve gone through the analysis step they valid value of using a databases is that lot now we can pro post process the information so we have a sequence of queries that automate the transformation of our raw data into the table data layout and then we have our break down categories in this case race if we have helpful when presence are added as comparisons we’re able to specify the metadata the data quality indicators and we can compute the differences from the statewide min on the spine chart an area profiles and then finally the data can be exported as comma separated values for use by adaptive devices and lastly you know we can do xml data sets can be tailored to the specific in instantatlas templates so so once we’ve created our xml files we can go through the instantatlas publisher and then we have the range of templates that we can use the data the data files to put into our presentations so the end result is is that by using this process we are able to summarize all 21 years of the BRFSS data we’ve organized them and to 29 themes comprising 172 health indicator variables and we’ve had four geographic systems resulting in 48 unique geographic unit so the end result is is that we have over a million data points for time geography and indicator each for our food and age adjusted rates so if you’d like to view the results of our information you can either do browse for Alaska instantatlas or in forums Alaskans and lastly I’d like to acknowledge the support that I received from art carpenter author of carpenters complete guide to the set to the SAS natural language and also the GOI support team so I’ll be providing copies of this presentation as well as supporting documentation of the access data SAS files and others and I’d be interested in hearing from individuals who would like to play these procedures to other data surveillance systems so thank you very much for your patience today thank you very much chance for your presentation it was a excellent excellent estimation of how you’ve been using access and data manager and don’t forget if you’ve got questions for Charles please use the Q&A box in the bottom right-hand corner of your screen and okay so now we’re moving on to our next presentation but she’s young west I’m as I mentioned earlier young will run a short demonstration of instant for the Provos a young demonstration clicks on how profiles are created and managed and administered using internet web server platform ok I’ll laptop over to you and to discuss profiles in greater detail over to you excellent Thank You Julian can I just check that you can hear me okay Julian than everybody else can as well I can certainly near you okay so here we go all right well thank you julian and thanks officer charles for an interesting presentation that highlights the advantage of being able to store large bowl volumes of data in a database so photos II don’t know me I’m Jana I’m part of the user support team for instant Atlas I’m based in Houston Texas and my job is

to provide support to our North American clients for both our desktop and server based products so in the next 15 or 20 minutes I’m going to show you some examples of our internet with server profiles module how it works and i’ll also highlight some of the benefits you gain by using this as part of an instant outlet server solution and then afterwards i’ll show you how you build profiles using an actual instantatlas server administration website on a on a live demonstration ok so those of you who attended our last webinar with the Arizona Department of Health and Human Services will recall that I spoke in general terms about our instantatlas server product how all fits together and some of the advantages that you gain from using the solution so for the benefit of those who didn’t attend last time I’ll give you a very brief synopsis of the main points again so instantatlas server is a database driven off the shelf web reporting solution it can be used to rapidly deploy an entire data driven website now these websites are known as data observatories community information systems or just data query systems and here are some examples of some clients using our instantatlas server software right now the CDC’s disability and health data system we have the Vermont environmental Public Health tracking query tool and we also have the pinellas indicators a community information system those are all live implementations that you can go and look at right now so while instantatlas server offers a range of different functionality just very quickly showing you the overview slide here it we have to make clear that there’s two primary presentation outputs for your end users and these are data views and all files okay so let’s start with quickly explaining what data view is this module allows you to stream in your data that’s held in your instantatlas server database or other data warehouse on the fly into our dynamic reports it also provides accessible tables and a variety of different download options and you can see an excel download on the screen here on the other hand we are profiles module dynamically delivers collections of data such as text graphics charts and tables and other content on a pair area basis to your end users so again some examples on the screen here including objects like text stacked bar chart some tables trend charts and you can see that they’re also styled a little bit differently using using style sheets now these profiles can be viewed on the screen as seen here but there’s also a facility to to export them to Microsoft Word or or into PDF okay so here’s a very wordy slide on the advantages of using instantatlas server profiles the first benefit is that profiles are designed to be to be reusable so the idea is that you build a profile once and then you can reuse it lots of different times now this applies to both running the profile for say different areas different geographies but you can also use components within profiles in other profiles so so they’re very flexible in that way now this makes them quite a cost-effective alternative solution to maybe existing area profiles that you might already be building using more manual tools and presenting perhaps as PDF or Word documents now another key benefit is that profiles the profiles module can make use of existing data already stored within your database now whether that’s instantatlas server or an existing data warehouse that you have now that means you can load your data once and I make use of it in multiple profiles and in other outputs that the instantatlas so ever allows you to create now another advantages is obviously that as you update existing data or load new data in this can automatically become available in profiles meaning that updating them becomes very quick and easy a fourth advantage we’ve already seen this they can be viewed both on screen in a web browser accessed via a URL hyperlink or but they can also be downloaded as PDF or Microsoft Word documents and this gives you the flexibility to deliver different output formats to your end users so while many people still prefer to receive PDF documents as email attachments you could just as easily just send them a direct URL link to that

same profile now finally as a web page interactivity is also key so web pages allow you to build in hyper links to other relevant content or perhaps to chain related profiles together to provide an interactive journey for your end user through the different presentation outputs that you make available perhaps drilling from our summary profile into a more detailed descriptive profile for a given thematic area and then finally the sheer flexibility of profiles combined with the ability to make use of web technologies like HTML and JavaScript makes them a very advantageous and open platform on which to further develop dynamically updated and interactive content so let’s actually talk about what our profile is as far as our system is concerned well a profile is delivered to your end users as a web page containing a series of content and this content can be static such as may be textual descriptions of areas or indicators perhaps logos and graphics or it can be dynamic data delivered in from the database such as area specific content like your your measures and statistics it’s built up as a template where you add individual building blocks of content in and we call these building blocks in our system widgets so we have a range of different widgets text images tables various charts and as I mentioned just on the previous slide we also allow you to include other web content such as HTML Javascript and so on as well and this will deliver a feature-rich web pages that are both engaging to your users and have the advantage of being dynamically updated from an underlying database so just to give you an idea of how it works here is an example of a profile that the end user sees we’ve generated this profile for the area of dale’s which is an area in the UK County of Nottinghamshire and you can see that their specific content has been delivered into this profile both here at the the top of the profile and if we scroll a little bit further down in the table here now if we run this same profile again by just selecting a different area there at the top we can generate this profile for the area of Sherwood now again the same template has been used but the data for Sherwood including the the map image has been dynamically delivered into this profile okay so we can just keep making use of the same template and streaming the data in on the fly so my final slide is just to give you an overview of how a profile is structured this is probably most important for those people who can end up building profiles themselves so I’ve already talked about how a profile acts as a as a template and that the data is delivered in on the fly each time the profile is accessed by the user via the website based upon whatever geography that they’ve chosen now a profile probably the best analogy is that it’s like a book it’s built up with a series of individual chapters that we call sections and then each chapter in our or as we call it sections isn’t populated with individual content pieces or widgets so my diagram on the screen here my profile is built up of three different sections and then if i zoom in on my first section you can see that it’s composed of three different widgets and this is the actual content the first widget is going to be a text widget second widget a bar chart widget and the third widgets a table widget okay so that concludes my my powerpoint presentation but what I’m going to try and do is replicate this structure in my my live demonstration demonstration so you you can have a look at how it actually works so if I just close my my powerpoint down and if I now share my desktop just take a little while for you all to be able to see this you should hopefully now be able to see the administration website of our instantatlas server solution on the screen here and the administration websites used to manage well to load data to administer manage and deliver content to your end users so there’s there’s lots of different functions available in the administration website including functions to manage your data create create and manager geography types and themes build data views etc etc but in this case where we’re interested in looking at the profiles module so I’ve given myself a little bit of a head start and I’ve already created

a single profile in this system a profile called demographic overview and as part of our profile have also created a section called demographic overview and benefit claims and that insect that section in turn contains a single widget a bar chart widget dive I’ve created before this webinar started okay so I’ve kind of put the basic structure in place and the idea is that we’re going to add some content to it while on this webinar so just to give you an idea of what that looks like right now if I run my profile for a particular district you can see that the data for the district of ashfield is pulling from the database and presented to you in this bar chart so we can see that this bar chart shows a particular benefit claimants for at actually a 10 allowance benefit and it’s broken down over age okay so I’ve got my bar chart already and I was adds a bit of text and maybe also a table okay so a very very simple example so to do that let’s go back to the administration website and here in the widget page we can start adding new widgets to our system so let’s start by creating a new widget and I’m going to start by creating a data table okay the first thing that I need to do to this data table widget is add some data to it so if I on the right hand side here click Add I then get a list of all the available data in my system and you can see that if I open up the attendance allowance claimants theme I’m presented with a series of different indicators from which I I can choose to add some of these into my table now I might add maybe some of the duration indicator so how long have some of these claimants been on this being on this particular benefit and I’ll maybe choose the sum of the time related ones here maybe pick just just a few for indicators and we’ll add those to our table for the latest available dates so they get added into our table each of our widgets the settings can be configured on so we have some standard settings and some advanced settings one of the advanced settings is the ability to orientate the table flip the table around which I I quite like I’m going to just set that in there and then I can give my table header attendance allowance claimants by duration and I could possibly also give it a fitter as well so this data kit originally came from the office of national statistics in the UK in 2011 the final thing is just to give my widget a sensible name table widget for attendance allowance by duration and that is my widget created so I’ll just click Oh save and then what we need to do now is is create our second widget which was this text widget so what create another widget here click on text and you can see that the layout of this screen looks very similar to to our data table widget we’ve just worked with what we’re going to try and do as a text is include a combination of both static and dynamic text and I had sort of an example like this in mind rather than me typing out I five I’ve got it pre-prepared in there in notepad here and the idea is that we’ve got some static text up here which really just describes what attendance allowance is and where you know what hyperlink you can go to to get a little bit more information about it and then below it we have a couple of sentences which I set up in such a way that we’re going to substitute the appropriate values for that profile in so we’re going to try and make it read something like in the area of brock’s tow a total of X number of people claim attendance allowance of which you know 200 are female and three hundred are male that’s that’s what we’re we’re hoping to achieve so I’m just going to paste that text onto my clipboard one of the things i need to do of course is pick up my indicator values the total number of people claiming attendance allowance and we also need the female and male breakdowns so i need to add those indicators in again i scroll through my themes I go to Attendance Allowance locate the measures themselves that I’m interested in which is going to be all

claimants but also the male and female break then we’ll add those to our widgets and then if we go to settings here I have the opportunity to paste my sample text in and what we’re now going to do is just take some of these substitution bits of text away so in the area of I want to insert the area name and then in place of this substitution string I want to put in the total value for attendance claimants so I can in I can insert the indicator latest value like so you can see again I’ve taken a bit of a shortcut and already puts the female and male figures in there already using this substitution string that starts with a deep and symbol okay so all that remains is just to give my text widget sensible name attendance allowance overview click OK to save and now I’ve created my two widgets ready to be put into my profile so because the profile already exists all I need to do is just add them to the appropriate section the appropriate chapter that I want them to appear in so at the moment I just have a single one I’ll edit that section and then this is the section here the idea is that you you click and drag the widgets that you want to appear in this section onto the canvas now Attendance Allowance that’s a really an introductory overview so I want that to appear before the bar chart so I’ll just move up 11 section so the idea now is that these free widgets appear in this section and they’re ready to be viewed by the end user so I’ll click OK to save I’m really done now so i’ll go back to the user website in my other browser tab and i’ll scroll back to the top and just refresh this profile by running it for a new a new area and you can see that my new widgets have appeared so the top here I’ve got some texts including some hyperlinks to some of the some of the descriptions about what these measures are and then here we can see that we have in the area of bassetlaw a total of three thousand five hundred and fifty five people who claim attendance allowance of which 2,400 I’m female and 11 105 are male so that’s that date is being brought in dynamically from the underlying database if I run it for a different area you’ll see that those figures update as appropriate and then below we also have our table widget that we’ve that we’ve pushed in so that’s just a very quick way of building up a profile so I guess my next task is just to keep on adding content using the administration website and build this profile up until it’s until it’s of you know it’s got enough data in it and it’s a acceptable quality so where do you get to when you’ve done quite a lot of work on this well you get to a nice profile like this and this is a customer example it’s a system called Nottingham insight and they use our profiles module to build up a very large range of different profiles and one of one of their nice ones is this ward profile currently it’s been run for the area of clifton south but if we go back to the example i had in my power point her out for the area of dale’s you can see that it’s fetching data from the underlying database and substituting this into this profile template that exists on the screen here so takes takes a couple of seconds to generate all that data out but then it presents you this this profile with data specific to the area of dale’s so you can see a nice map image at the top there some indicators and measures and the tables here another table here with shading and then we also have a time series chart a bar chart and so on and so forth okay obviously that one of the things I point out about this time series chart you can see there are a lot of different data points here its data that’s really released every single quarter so what’s really nice about this is that every time a quarterly data update comes out they just add it into the system and that data will automatically appear in this chart there’s no need for them to go back and edit this chart and so on and so forth you know once that date is loaded it just appears in this chart and then one of the other things that quite like to point out is the ability and tables to do conditional formatting so here they’ve set up a table and they’ve shaded certain areas of the table in pink where those

particular areas fall in the ten percent worst output areas in England so it’s a way of really highlighting particular areas particular problematic areas in this case in this table so there’s there’s clearly problems of crime maybe not so many problems relating to housing and so on okay so that was my main demonstration of the profiles module I’ve got maybe one minute left so I just very quickly want to show you a variation of our profiles module which is called advanced profiles and this is a really nice way for maybe some of your advanced users to create a user customized profile which features on the fly aggregation now what does that mean well so far I’ve just shown you profiles run for a single area using the advanced profile module I could maybe make a selection 50 different areas or or more then choose a profile that I want to run I want to run these three areas into i’m going to you can see that the system’s got lots of different profiles and there are lots of different themes i’m going to go of the unemployment and worklessness profile my final step is just to choose what comparison area we wish to appear so i might just choose to have the national comparison visible alongside my data and this now jet again generates a profile on the fly I by streaming the data out of the database and presenting it to our end users so you can see that we now have a profile for our three different areas that we selected the districts of Bassetlaw Mansfield and Yorkshire would but the system is also works out what the what the aggregated figure is as well so that that should be be the aggregated figure for these three districts in there and my comparisons also displayed so again you can see that all my widgets are be updated from multiple areas so again we have tables charts and some different time series trend charts than here as well okay so I think that concludes my my presentation today I’ll uh I’ll just stop sharing just now go back to my presentation and if anybody has any any more questions or would like to explore profiles in a little bit more detail what here are our contact details on the screen and we’d love to we’d love to tell you a little bit more about them and show you how they can they can be used to really give you an edge in terms of your area profiling needs so with that I’ll I’ll pass back to Julian going how to start the Q&A session okay thanks yeah I’ve actually just been keeping an eye on the Q&A box and doesn’t look as though we got many questions or in a moment and since I’ve got you yeah and I thought it might be worthwhile what we’ve got a deal of a question for Charles which I’ll come on surrogate maybe like I can ask you a question first yes the question I have this car you server profiles from data warehouse and how can it add context to my data I’m just wondering if you can explain that to us yeah yes okay so so our server product it actually comes with its own database as part of it so if you don’t already have an existing data warehouse you can use our database but it also has functionality that lets you hook into existing data warehouses as well so if you if you already do a lot of this stuff already you know you already have your statistics stored somewhere then instantatlas server can hook into that existing system pull your data out and still present it in in these profiles that have shown you how can you add context well I guess that’s what profiles is all about so you you’ve got a ways of adding text your context you can use some of those the conditional formatting on the tables that I showed you about that I showed you just now and there’s probably a number of different ways that you could add additional context to that data using using our flexible profile platform it’s hope that answers your question yeah I think okay well sounds great is a very useful explanation of them server program I wondered if I could bring a chance back in and I’m looking for Q&A panel that question I have thought for Charles’s actually quite useful to see informed Alaskans if you are able to share Charles and and just how explain how it is being used by at the Department of Health and Social Services okay can you take a street Charles okay one side i’ll just share my desktop and here hopefully are you able to view my

informal absence yes I can see them yes okay well what we have within four informed velasquez is a very comprehensive one of the things that’s easy to show the the nature is if we go into our list of our html5 maps and you’ll see that for each of our geographic regions we provide both the results for a single map double maps the area profiles and also the HTML profile so it’s extremely comprehensive because we are an agency of limited financial resources i also have retained the option of displaying flash versions of all of my presentations for those people who either have older computers or are unable to download a newer browser and then just just taking a look at one of our alaska public health grades in math takes a moment to load but then you can see and Alaska we have two predominant races we have both our predominant wife and then we have about twenty percent Alaskan native and because we have our old tribal health system it it was very much important to bring in the results for both so is this unfortunately rather cluttered that is is that you can see that we have our results for our alaska native mean for our last I mean and then also the means for wife and we have superimpose on this our goals here’s our healthy people 2020 goals as well as we have our previously healthy alaskans and healthy people goals from 2010 so the rest of the functionality is what common to all of the instantatlas is as we move either it through our bar charts to the map you can see that we’re overlaying the information and I just want to bring attention look for the selection of things because i have so many different indicators it was very important to select things that would be easy so i have them organized and demography quality of life chronic disease to allow the users to quickly move down identify their health indicator and then drill down into a more reasonable list so here and as you can see on each one I have my results for the statewide total and for whites and Alaska Native breakdowns so like I say and so we we covered pretty much all of the indicators and so I’ve also took the effort in addition to doing our racial breakdowns is that we’ve also done some special reports and we will break things down by the presence or absence of disability federal poverty levels and also what’s very interesting is looking our senior population within within the state so so that’s a brief overview you can get to our website either through by googling a Alaska instantatlas or the informed Alaskans will take you right to our homepage so excellent okay well I can’t see any further questions coming in now and times marching on so i think i’ll bring the webinar to a close so and on behalf of Charles yeah and this nervous I’d like to thank all the attendees to a webinar and I hope you found it a very own interest this broadcast will be available in the coming days and we’ll notify you by email when it’s available will be running a future overnight in 2013 so please follow mean physicist at instant Atlas where our future topics of discussion will be posted if you’d like to find out more information on it to that bus please contact us directly at lasting it into madness com so thank you once again for attending and we look for you