Feb. 26, 2020 – House of Assembly Proceedings

>> THE SPEAKER OF THE NOVA SCOTIA HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY GRANTS PERMISSION TO RECORD AND USE THE AUDIO AND VIDEO OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE ASSEMBLY AND ITS COMMITTEES FOR EDUCATIONAL AND RESEARCH PURPOSES AND AS PROVIDED BELOW THE VIDEO MAY ONLY BE USED WITH ITS ORIGINAL AUDIO COMPONENT AND NO OTHER AUDIO OR VIDEO MATERIAL MAY BE ADDED TO AUDIO OR VIDEO MATERIAL USED TELEVISION AND RADIO BROADCASTERS MAY USE RECORDED EXCERPTS OF THE PROCEEDINGS IN THEIR NEWS OR PUBLIC AFFAIRS PROGRAMS IN BALANCED, FAIR, AND ACCURATE REPORTS OF PROCEEDINGS NEITHER THE AUDIO NOR THE VIDEO MAY BE USED FOR POLITICAL PARTY ADVERTISING, ELECTION CAMPAIGNS, OR ANY OTHER POLITICALLY PARTISAN ACTIVITY EXCEPT THAT MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY MAY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF SERVING THEIR CONSTITUENTS, MAKE USE OF RECORDED EXCERPTS OF THE PROCEEDINGS ON THEIR WEBSITES OR ON SOCIAL MEDIA IF NOT PRESENTED IN A MISLEADING MANNER AND IF A LINK IS PROVIDED TO THE FULL PROCEEDING NEITHER THE AUDIO NOR THE VIDEO MAY BE USED IN ANY EDITED FORM THAT COULD MISLEAD OR MISINFORM AN AUDIENCE OR VIEWER OR THAT DOES NOT PRESENT A BALANCED PORTRAYAL OF THE PROCEEDINGS IN THE HOUSE THE AUDIO AND VIDEO MAY NOT BE USED IN COURT OR BEFORE A TRIBUNAL OR OTHER BODY FOR THE PURPOSE OF QUESTIONING, COMMENTING UPON, OR MAKING JUDGMENT UPON THE PROCEEDINGS IN THE HOUSE ANY OTHER USE OR REBROADCAST OR WEBCAST OF THESE PROCEEDINGS REQUIRES THE EXPRESS WRITTEN APPROVAL OF THE SPEAKER [ ♪♪♪ ] [ ♪♪♪ ]

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The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE JUST BEFORE WE GET INTO THE

DAILY ROUTINE, A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS THERE. WILL BE NO LATE DEBATE THIS EVENING NOTHING WAS SUBMITTED BEFORE THE DEADLINE. AND I’D ALSO LIKE TO BRING TO THE MEMBER’S ATTENTION YESTERDAY, THE LOWERED OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION TABLED A DOCUMENT DURING QUESTION PERIOD WHICH CONSISTED OF AN E-MAIL ATTACHING A MEMO. CLERKS HAVE SINCE BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION THERE ARE SEVERAL REDACTIONS IN THE DOCUMENT, INCLUDING THE IDENTITY OF THE AUTHOR OF THE E-MAIL. MEMBERS WOULD HAVE RECEIVED A DOCUMENT ENTITLED PROCEDURE NOTE 5 WHERE GUIDE LINES PERTAINING TO THE TABLING OF DOCUMENTS ARE OUTLINED. THIS DOCUMENT HIGHLIGHTS SEVERAL PREVIOUS SPEAKERS RULINGS STATED THAT NONLETTERS CAN NOT BE TABLED IN THE HOUSE. FACED WITH A SIMILAR SITUATION, FORMER SPEAKER MURRAY SCOTT RULED THAT, QUOTE, THE MEMBER WHO TABLED THE UNANIMOUS DOCUMENT HAD TO CLEARLY INDICATE WHO THE AUTHOR WAS OR THE LETTER WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHDRAWN, END QUOTE THEREFORE, I WOULD ASK THE HONOURABLE MEMBER TO TABLE A VERSION OF THE DOCUMENTS IDENTIFYING THE SENDER OF THE E-MAIL AS WELL AS THE AUTHOR OF THE MEMO ATTACHED TO THE E-MAIL UNTIL THAT IS DONE, THE DOCUMENT TABLED YESTERDAY WILL BE WITHDRAWN. AND TO BE CLEAR, THE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION’S LINE OF QUESTIONING WAS NOT OUT OF ORDER. IT WAS THE TABLE OF THE UNANIMOUS DOCUMENTS THAT WAS — ANONYMOUS DOCUMENTS WAS OUT OF ORDER AND THE TABLING SUBSEQUENT TO THE TABLING OF THE ANONYMOUS DOCUMENTS WE WILL NOW MOVE ON. THE HONOURABLE HOUSE LEADER FOR THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I DON’T KNOW IF THERE WAS CONFUSION, BUT WE, IN FACT, WERE INTENDING TO DO LATE DEBATE THIS EVENING DID YOU NOT RECEIVE NOTICE? The Speaker: THE CLERKS HAVE NOTIFIED ME THERE WAS NO LATE DEBATE TOPICS SUBMITTED BEFORE THE DEADLINE >> THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A CLERICAL OVERSIGHT. CAN I ASK THE CONSENT OF THE HOUSE TO SUBMIT IT AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE CONVENIENCE? The Speaker: SO I’VE JUST BEEN ADVISED BY THE CLERK THAT THE — THAT THEY WERE ON NOTICE AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANY NOTIFICATION FROM THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY, RULE NUMBER — PROCEDURE RULE NUMBER 5 IS VERY CLEAR. SO IT IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE HOUSE WITH THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT ON A MOTION BY THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER TO ACCEPT IT AFTER THE DEADLINE. SO IF IT’S THE WISHES OF THE HOUSE LEADER OF THE OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO DEFER TO THE HOUSE LEADER TO MAKE A MOTION. THE HONOURABLE HOUSE LEADER FOR THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> I THINK OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THE DEADLINE WAS NOON. I WILL DEFER TO THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER The Speaker: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT’S ONE HOUR BEFORE THE SITTING TOMORROW. SO THE HONOURABLE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER? >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I MAY REGRET THIS, BUT WE’RE HAPPY TO ALLOW THIS FOR THE LATE DEBATE TOPIC TO BE ENTERED. SO I WOULD ASK THE UNANIMOUS

CONSENT OF THE HOUSE The Speaker: IT IS AGREED. SO THE TOPIC OF THE LATE DEBATE IS — PERHAPS I’LL DEFER TO THE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC AS I DON’T HAVE IT SO THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER THE RESOLUTION FOR THE DEBATE WILL BE RESOLVED THAT THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE DONE A MUCH IMPROVED JOB IN ITS HANDLING OF THE QUESTION OF THE OWL’S HEAD PROVINCIAL PARK The Speaker: OKAY. AND PERHAPS I’LL ASK YOU WHEN YOU GET A COPY OF THAT IN WRITING TO CIRCULATE IT AT MINIMUM TO THE HOUSE LEADERS. THANK YOU. AND TO MYSELF SO WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE DAILY ROUTINE BEGINNING WITH PRESENTING AND READING OF PETITIONS. PRESENTING REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. TABLING REPORTS, REGULATIONS, AND OTHER PAPERS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY AND CHAIR OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY MANAGEMENT COMMISSION, I’M PLEASED TO TABLE THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY MANAGEMENT COMMISSION ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2019. THE REPORT WAS PREPARED PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 11-1-F OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY MANAGEMENT COMMISSION ACT. THE REPORT IS TABLED STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS GOVERNMENT NOTICES OF MOTION? THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF AFRICAN-NOVA SCOTIAIAN AFFAIRS >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I HERE BY GIVE NOTICE THAT ON A FUTURE DAY I SHALL MOVE THE ADOPTION OF THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION. WHEREAS FEBRUARY 17th, 2020, WAS HERITAGE DAY IN NOVA SCOTIA, A TIME TO HONOUR THE REMARKABLE INDIVIDUALS AND PLACES THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO OUR SHARED NOVA SCOTIAN HISTORY. AND WHEREAS THIS YEAR WE HONOURED AFRICVILLE WHICH WAS A SMALL VIBRANT AFRICAN-NOVA SCOTIAN COMMUNITY HOME TO HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF HALIFAX FORCIBLY DEMOLISHED THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY FOR THE PURPLE OF URBAN RENEWAL THAT FORCED RESIDENTS TO RELOCATE WITH LITTLE COMPENSATION FOR THEIR HOMES AND LAND. THEREFORE, IT BE RESOLVED THAT THE MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECOGNIZING THE HEARTFELT HISTORY OF AAFRICAVILLE AND OUR COMMITMENT TO OUR SHARED STORY WHICH HAS MADE THIS SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR PROVINCE AND COUNTRY. Mr SPEAKER, I ASK FOR WAIVER OF NOTICE AND PASSAGE WITHOUT DEBATE The Speaker: IS IT AGREED? IT IS AGREED. WOULD ALL THOSE IN FAVOUR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE. CONTRARY-MINDED, NAY MOTION IS CARRIED [ Applause ] WE’LL NOW MOVE ON TO INTRODUCTION OF BILLS. THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Mr SPEAKER. I BEG LEAVE TO TABLE A BILL ENTITLED AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 213 OF THE REVISE THE STATUTES 1989, THE HOUSING NOVA SCOTIA ACT The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS BEGS LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL ENTITLED AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 213 OF THE REVISED STATUTES 1989, THE HOUSING NOVA SCOTIA ACT >> BILL NUMBER 228, AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 213 OF THE REVISED STATUTES 1989, THE HOUSING NOVA SCOTIA ACT The Speaker: ORDERED THIS BILL BE READ A SECOND TIME ON A FUTURE DAY. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON RICHMOND >> Mr. SPEAKER, I LEG LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL ENTITLED AN ACT TO ELIMINATE POLITICAL PARTY WHIPS The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER BEGS LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL ENTITLED AN ACT TO ELIMINATE POLITICAL PARTY WHIPS >> BILL NUMBER 229, AN ACT TO ELIMINATE POLITICAL PARTY WHIPS The Speaker: ORDERED THIS BILL BE READ A SECOND TIME ON A FUTURE DAY. THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I BEG LEAVE TO INTRODUCE AN ACT TO INTRODUCE THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT ACT, AND CHAPTER 39

OF THE ACTS OF 2008, THE HALIFAX REGIONAL MUNICIPALITY CHARTER, RESPECTING MINISTERIAL APPROVALS The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS BEGS LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL ENTITLED AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 18 OF THAGES OF 199 8 , THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT ABILITY, AND CHAPTER 39 OF THE ACTS OF 2008, THE HALIFAX REGIONAL MUNICIPALITY CHARTER RESPECTING MINISTERIAL APPROVES >> BILL NUMBER 230, AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 18 OF THE ACTS OF 1998, THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT ACT, AND CHAPTER 39 OF THE ACTS OF 2008, THE HALIFAX REGIONAL MUNICIPALITY CHARTER RESPECTING MINISTERIAL APPROVALS The Speaker: ORDERED THIS BILL BE READ A SECOND TIME ON A FUTURE DAY. THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I BEG LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL ENTITLED AN ACT RESPECTING PARKS AND PROTECTED AREAS The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER BEGS LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL ENTITLED AN ACT RESPECTING PARKS AND PROTECTED AREAS >> BILL NUMBER 2 THEY 1, AN ACT RESPECTING PARKS AND PROTECTED AREAS The Speaker: ORDERED THIS BILL BE READ A SECOND TIME ON A FUTURE DAY THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MENAGES Mr SPEAKER, BEFORE I INTRODUCE THE BILL, I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE IN THE GALLERY THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STAFF MEMBERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. THEY WERE A BIG PART IN DESIGNING THIS BILL AND MANY OF THE EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS THAT NOVA SCOTIANS UTILIZE EVERY DAY SO I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE DEPARTMENT FOR ALL OF THEIR WORK [ Applause ] Mr. SPEAKER, I BEG LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL ENTITLED AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 25 OF THE ACTS OF 2004, THE ELECTRICITY ACT The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND MINES BEGS LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL ENTITLED AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 25 OF THE ACTS OF 2004, THE ELECTRICITY ACT >> BILL NUMBER 232, AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 25. ACTS OF 2004, THE ELECTRICITY ACT The Speaker: ORDERED THIS BILL BE READ A SECOND TIME ON A FUTURE DAY WE’LL NOW MOVE ON TO NOTICES OF MOTION. STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> Mr. SPEAKER, MAY I MAKE AN INTRODUCTION PLEASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IN THE WEST GALLERY, I WOULD ASK THAT TARA MILLER STAND. TARA IS A BEAUTIFUL INDIVIDUAL, SO INTELLIGENT, KIND AND WISE WITH OUR PAST PRESIDENT OF THE PC PARTY JUST WANT TO WELCOME AND I HER TO THE LEGISLATURE TODAY. WE’RE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE THANK YOU SO MUCH [ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CLARE DIGBY >> I BEG LEAVE TO DO AN INTRODUCTION. I’D LIKE TO NOTE SEATED IN THE GALLERY TO THE EAST HERE WE HAVE TWO FINE PEOPLE, ONE REPRESENTING THE UNITED NATIONS AS AN ENVOY. I KNOW I’M NOT GOOD WITH NAMES AND WITH SIRMACK, VICTORIA SAVOIE. AND THEY BRING A LOT OF INFORMATION TO THE FISHERIES CONFERENCE THAT’S GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND I WELCOME THE BEST FROM THE LEGISLATURE. THANK YOU [ Applause ] The Speaker: IN THE ABSENCE OF NO MORE MEMBER STATEMENTS, WE’LL AWAIT THE — OKAY. WE HAVE A TAKER. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR COLE HARBOUR EASTERN PASSAGE >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE AN AMAZING GROUP OF WOMEN IN THE EASTERN PASSAGE AREA. KNOWN AS THE WOMEN OF WORTH SOCIAL ASSOCIATION WHICH IS WUWSA THIS IS A GROUP OF WHO WERE LOOKING TO GET TOGETHER WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND IT’S NOW GROWN TO OVER 150 WOMEN. THIS IS A GROUP WHO GET TOGETHER TO ENHANCE MENTAL, PHYSICAL, AND SOCIAL WELL BEING THEY MEET EVERY MONTH TO PARTAKE IN DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES WHICH NOT ONLY BENEFIT THE WOMEN BUT ALSO ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN OTHER ACTIVITIES THEY ATTEND PLAYS, HAVE BOOK CLUBS, GO TO MOVIES AND DO A LOT OF DANCING AND DINING TOGETHER RECENTLY, THIS GROUP WAS AWARDED A SOUTHEASTERN COMMUNITY HEALTH BOARD AWARD GRANT AND WAS PLEASED TO ATTEND THE CEREMONY LAST NIGHT IN WHICH THEY RECEIVED IT. I’D LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THESE WOMEN FOR COMING TOGETHER TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I ASK ALL

MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE TO JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATING SUSAN SWITZER, THE ORGANIZER OF WOWSA AND ALL OF THEIR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THANK YOU, Mr SPEAKER [ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR BEDFORD? >> YOU THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER MARLENE HAS BEEN A DEVOTED MEMBER OF ALL SAINTS CHURCH SINCE 1978. IN MORE THAN 40 YEARS, SHE HAS VOLUNTEERED IN MANY CAPACITIES AND SHE’S ALWAYS SOMEONE THE CHURCH CAN RELY ON YOU NAME, IT MARLENE HAS DONE IT. SHE’S BEEN A MEMBER OF THE GUILD FOR 20 YEARS, HOLDING A LEADERSHIP POSITION FOR MOST OF THAT TIME. SHE’S SERVED ON PARISH COUNCIL AS A REPRESENTATIVE. SHE SERVED AS ALL SAINTS REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BEDFORD-SACKVILLE INTERFAITH SOCIETY. AND YOU CAN FIND HER SORTING AND PRICING ITEMS AT BEACON HOUSE. SHE VOLUNTEERS AT CHURCH DINNERS, SETTING UP AND CLEANING UP AFTERWARDS VACATION BIBLE SCHOOL. CHURCH, SUNDAY SCHOOL, GREETING PARISHIONERS. SHE’S DONE IT ALL. AND MARLENE HAS ALSO VOLUNTEERED WITH BEAVERS AND SCOUTS, HER SCHOOL LIBRARY, SCHOOL TRIPS, AND THE LADIES AUXILIARY OF THE BEDFORD FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MARLENE FOR OVER FOUR DECADES OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO HER COMMUNITY. WELL DONE. [ Applause [ Applause ] PECKS THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR VICTORIA THE LAKES >> Mr. SPEAKER, IT’S NOT EVERY DAY A FAMILY GETS A CHANCE TO BECOME A REALITY TV EXCELLENT BUT THE SAMSON FAMILY OF CAPE BRETON DID JUST THAT. IN THE SUMMER OF 2019, FAMILY CAPTAIN HOLLY SAMSON, HER HUSBAND, YOSHI, HOLLY’S PARENTS LIZ AND HAROLD SAMSON AND HOLLY’S OLDER CENTRE MEGAN SENT AN AUDITION TAPE TO FAMILY FEUD CANADA SHORTLY AFTER, THEY RECEIVED AN INVITATION TO AUDITION WITH 35 OTHER FAMILIES. IN OCTOBER, HOLLY RECEIVED A CALL AT WORK CONFIRMING THEY WOULD BE ON THE SHOW. THE SAMSON’S FAMILY EPISODE IS EXPECTED TO AIR EITHER MARCH 10th OR 11th THEY PLAN ON HAVING A PUBLIC VIEWING PARTY IN NORTH SYDNEY H I ASK ALL MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE TO JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATING THE SAMSON FAMILY ON BEING SELECTED ON FAMILY FEUD CANADA AND WISH THEM LUCK. THANK YOU, Mr SPEAKER [ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CLARE DIGBY >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. AS WE’RE AWARE, EATING A VARIETY OF FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES DAILY IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF A HEALTHY DIET. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE WHO FIND IT DIFFICULT TO EAT HEALTHY BECAUSE OF THE COST OR THE LACK OF ACCESSIBILITY NEARBY. FOR MANY FAMILIES, BUDGETS ARE TIGHT AND LESS HEALTHY FOODS TEND TO BE CHEAPER. SENIORS LIVING ALONE DON’T NEED TO BUY A LARGE QUANTITY OF FOOD SO THEIR PURCHASES OFTEN LACK THE VARIETY NEEDED IN OUR DIETS. ALSO, DISTANCE AS IS MOST TWO HOURS TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORES IN DIGBY IS ALSO A FACTOR. THIS PAST SUMMER, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY AND FROM LOCAL GROUPS AND BUSINESSES WORKING TOGETHER TO FIND AND MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO BUY A VARIETY OF PRODUCE THROUGH THE FRESH FOOD BOX PROGRAM. FOR THE PAST 21 WEEKS THIS, PILOT PROGRAM DELIVERED AFFORDABLE BOXES OF PRODUCE FROM LOCAL FARMS AND THE DIGBY SUPERSTORE TO SITES IN DIGBY AND THE MUNICIPALITY OF THE DIGBY. THIS PROGRAM WAS A GREAT WAY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO EAT HEALTHY AND HOPEFULLY ITS SUCCESS THIS SUMMER WILL ENSURE ITS SUCCESS NEXT SUMMER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER? >> Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY TO MAKE SPECIAL MENTION OF JAY ERIN ROY. JAY ROY IS THE OWNER OF CAPITAL AND COW COMICS AND COLLECT I BELIEVES IN LOWER SACKVILLE. THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL SOMIK SHOP AS IT IS ALSO HOME TO THE SAFE SPACE, AN OPEN AND INCLUSIVE SPACE WITHIN THE STORE WHERE YOUTH CAN BE THEIR MOST AUTHENTIC SELF. HE SAW THE NEED TO PROVIDE A SAFE SPACE FOR YOUTH TO RECEIVE FREE COUNSELLING. SO IN COLLABORATION WITH THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY, THIS BECAME A REALITY. Mr SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATING AND THANKS JAY AARON ROY WHO CONTINUES TO MAKE A TREMENDOUS EFFORT TO PROVIDE A SAFE HAVEN FOR THE YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, Mr SPEAKER [ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR ANTIGONISH >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER GEORGE BAXTER HAS OFFICIALLY HUNG UP HIS KEYS, ENDING A CAREER LASTING FIVE DECADES Mr. SPEAKER, SINCE SEPTEMBER 1969, GEORGE BAXTER HAS BEEN A SCHOOL BUS DRIVER IN ANTIGONISH COUNTY. HE RETIRED EARLIER THIS MONTH. HE STARTED DRIVING THE SCHOOL BUS WHEN HE WAS 24 YEARS OLD AND ENDED HIS REMARKABLE CAREER WITH A PERFECT DRIVING RECORD, NO ACCIDENTS Mr. SPEAKER, OVER THE COURSE OF 50 YEARS, GEORGE HAS LEFT A LASTING IMPRESSION ON MANY CHILDREN. HE HAS WATCHED GENERATIONS GROW UP AND MOVE

THROUGH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. AND ON HIS LAST DAY OF WORK, GEORGE WAS THE GUEST OF HONOUR DURING GEORGEBACKTER DAY HELD AT THE ANTIGONISH EDUCATION CENTRE. HE WAS TREATED TO A SPECIAL SONG, RECEIVED CARDS, AND STAFF MEMBERS EVEN DRESSED UP LIKE GEORGE. Mr. SPEAKER, AFTER 50 YEARS, IT WAS FITTING THAT GEORGE’S LAST PASSENGERS WERE HIS GRANDCHILDREN. GRACE, MIKA, AND PERCY KING. Mr. SPEAKER, I’D LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE GEORGE BAXTER ON HIS LONG AND MEMORABLE CAREER I ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO CONTRIBUTE GEORGE ON HIS RETIREMENT AND TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL HE HAS DONE FOR OUR CHILDREN [ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PICTOU CENTRE >> Mr. SPEAKER, RESEARCH HAS INDICATED THAT ONE’S PERSONALITY SETS GREAT EMPLOYEES APART NORTH NOVA EDUCATION CENTRE IN NEW GLASGOW OPENED ITS DOORS IN 2003. NATALIE BEGAN HER 10 NDURTER NEW HIGH SCHOOL AND IS STILL WORKING IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFERS. SHE CONTINUES TO DERIVE HAPPINESS FROM THE TIME SHE SPENDS WITH NUMEROUS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS SHE IS DEFINITELY A PROACTIVE EMPLOYEE, ALWAYS WATCHING AND LISTENING TO WHAT’S HAPPENING WITHIN THE STUDENT POPULATION THAT’S WHY SHE STABILITIES OUT AMONG HER PEERS, ALWAYS QUICK TO TAKE ACTION AND SOLVE PROBLEMS SHE’S ALWAYS FORTHRIGHT AND BEENHONEST. THAT’S WHY SHE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED BY EVERYONE AT NNEC. AND THAT IS A CONFIDENT, HUMBLE, AND VERY RELIABLE EMPLOYEE. HER POSITIVE AND HAPPY BEHAVIOR IS CONTAGIOUS. SHE ARRIVES TO WORK EACH DAY FEELING ENERGETIC AND ENTHUSIASTIC. NATALIE GARON IS DEFINITELY A CLASS ASK The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KINGS WEST >> I RISE TO COMMEND SAVE OUR NEIGHBOURS AND THE CLUB IN BURR BURRWICK THIS PAST DECEMBER TWO STUDENTS WHO WERE INSPIRED TO SUPPORT IN THEIR COMMUNITIES WERE SAM DOUCETTE OF WEST KINGS ANDS >> VAN NOSTREN AND THEY MADE INCREDIBLE SOUPS AND HAND CRAFTED BOWLS WHICH WERE DONATED BY LOCAL POTTERS. THIS IS THE TRUE EPITOME OF COMMUNITY EVERYONE COMING TOGETHER FOR A COMMON CAUSE TO SUPPORT YOUR NEIGHBOURS. Mr. SPEAKER, I ALSO BELIEVE THIS IS A TESTAMENT TO THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR YOUTH AND I WISH TO THANK THEM AND ALL THE VOLUNTEERS WHO DONATED TO ENSURE MATTRESSES AND BEDDING COULD BE PURCHASED FOR THE IN FROM THE COLD PROGRAM. THANK YOU. Mr. SPEAKER >> Mr. SPEAKER, TODAY, OF COURSE, IS ANTI-BULLYING DAY BACK IN 2007, GRADE 12 STUDENTS TRAVIS PRICE AND DAVID SHEPHERD OBSERVED THAT A YOUNGER STUDENT WAS BEING BULLIED SIMPLY FOR WEARING PINK. THE TWO INDUSTRIAL KINGS RURAL HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THEN BOUGHT AND DISTRICTED 50 PINK SHIRTS TO FELLOW SOUNDS THIS ANTI-BULLYING INITIATIVE STRUCK A CORD WITH MANY STUDENTS AND STAFF AND SCHOOLS AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY NOW WEAR PINK ON THIS DAY Mr. SPEAKER, THERE ARE FEW THINGS LESS ACCEPTABLE IN OUR SOCIETY THAN BULLYING WELCOME IT BE BETWEEN BULLYING, AT WORK, OR AT SCHOOL. I LOOK FORWARD TO FOLLOWING THE QUOTE OF Dr KING, JUDGE ONE ANOTHER ON THE CONSENT OF OUR CHARACTER AND THAT WE RESPECT EACH OTHER REGARDLESS OF HOW WE LOOK OR WHAT WE WEAR. SO TODAY, Mr SPEAKER, WE ALL THINK PINK THANK YOU VERY MUCH >> Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY IN RECOGNITION OF THE MEDICAL CENTRE AND THE AMAZING WORK THEY’VE BEEN DOING UNDER MENTAL HEALTH 101 PROJECT. THE PROJECT WILL HOST FREE INFORMATION SESSIONS TO LEARN ABOUT THE BASICS OF MENTAL HEALTH AND PROVIDE LIGHT REFRESHMENTS THEY’LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMON MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, THE STRUGGLES THAT COME WITH THEM AND HOW TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE WELLNESS THROUGHOUT ADDITIONALLY, THEY WILL PROVIDE AN INTERGENERATIONAL EDUCATION CENTRE SESSION WHERE GENERATIONS SHARE LIFE STORIES AND LIVED EXPERIENCES WITH EACH OTHER THIS IS AN AMBITIOUS UNDER TAILING WITH MENTAL HEALTH SESSIONS PLANNED FOR ONCE A MONTH FOR THREE YEARS. THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS WILL HOPEFULLY BE 20 TO 30 EACH SESSION. THE INTERGENERATIONAL SESSIONS WILL BE HELD ONCE A MONTH FOR THREE HOURS WITH A NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS BEING 20 TO 30 FOR EACH SESSION Mr. SPEAKER, WE ALL KNOW THAT MENTAL HEALTH IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR OVERALL HEALTH AND WELL BEING. THAT’S WHY THE MEDICAL CENTRE SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR THEIR EXCEPTIONAL MENTAL HEALTH 101 PROJECT THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER Mr. SPEAKER, IT’S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE HOLIDAYS CAN BE A DIFFICULT TIME OF YEAR FOR SOME OF OUR CONSTITUENTS. TODAY I RECOGNIZE BEV BOWERS, A WONDERFUL DARTMOUTH EAST VOLUNTEER WHO MADE CHRISTMAS A

LITTLE FORMERRY AND BRIGHT FOR FOUR DIFFERENT FAMILIES THROUGH ON-LINE SOCIAL GROUPS, BEV ASKED FOR DONATIONS TO PROVIDE THESE FOUR FAMILIES WITH A MAGICAL HOLIDAY SEASON THROUGH A VET SANTA EXCHANGE. DONATIONS INCLUDED NONPERISHABLE FOOD, TOILETRIES AND HOUSEHOLD ITEMS LIKE BEDDING. BEV WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR THESE FAMILIES AND THEIR CHILDREN. SHE PROVIDED INFORMATION SUCH AS AGES AND INTERESTS OF THE CHILDREN SO THEY COULD ALSO RECEIVE SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR CHRISTMAS. Mr. SPEAKER, I ASK THAT ALL MEMBERS JOIN ME IN THANKING BEV FOR BEING A COMMUNITY LEADER AND FOR CONTINUING THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLIDAYS FOR THESE FAMILIES THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH NORTH OR PARDON ME, HALIFAX NEEDHAM >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE TWO CREATIVE PASSION PROJECTS AND THE WOMEN BEHIND THEM. 14 BELLS FINE ART GALLERY IN THE MARKET IS LOCATED NAMED AS A TRIBUTE TO THE NORTH END HALIFAX COMMUNITY AND SPECIFICALLY TO THE SOUND OF THE BELLS THAT LOCAL RESIDENTS HEAR DAILY FROM THE HILL IN NEARBY FORT NEEDHAM PARK. THOSE ARE BELLS FROM CHURCHES THAT WERE DESTROYED, OF COURSE, IN THE HALIFAX EXPLOSION. OWNED BY NORTH END RESIDENT CHERYL BELL, THE GALLERY HAS PROVIDED A SPACE FOR NOVA SCOTIA CONDEMNRY ARTISTS TO SHOWCASE THEIR WORK AND BELL QUICKLY TELLS THE STORIES OF EACH OF THE ARTISTS SHE FEATURES AND CHAMPIONS DONNA McDONALD OPENED A SHOWING OF HER WORK AT THE GALLERY LAST JUST WEEK. HER WORK COMPANITURES THE ACTUAL BEAUTY OF THE SEA AND THE RUGGED — CAPTURES THE ACTUAL BEAUTY OF THE SEA AND THE RUGGED MARITIME COASTLINE. SHE HAS BEEN A NURSE MANAGER FOR 20 AND TOOK UP PAGING AS A HOBBY AND A FORM OF RELAX AGO AND NOW I THINK WE CAN ALL TELL HOW HIGHLY SHE HAS DEVELOPED HER SKILL AND HER ART. AS THAT SHOW RUNS UNTIL MARCH 6th AT THE 14 BELLS ART GALLERY AND I ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO TAKE A LOOK THANK YOU. SPOKE THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX — The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX ARMDALE >> IN RECOGNITION OF AFRICAN HERITAGE MONTH, I WANT TO CELEBRATE THE GREAT THREE AND FOUR FRENCH IMMERSION STUDENTS EARLIER THIS YEAR, THEY ADDED PUBLISHED AUTHOR THEIR RESUMES WITH THE PUBLICATION OF [ Speaking French ] THIS WONDERFUL COLOUR BOOK TELLS VIOLA DESMOND’S STORY IN FRENCH THAT IS FOR AND BY ELEMENTARY STUDENTS. STUDENTS WERE EACH ASSIGNED A LETTER OF THE ALPHABET AND USED THAT AS A JUMPING OFF POINT FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL PAGES. TELLING DIFFERENT PARTS OF VIOLA’S STORY ALLOWED ALL STUDENTS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND AND REMEMBER IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THE HISTORY OF AFRICAN-NOVA SCOTIAN COMMUNITY. Mr. SPEAKER, TAKE A LOOK AT THE HRCE’S VIDEO CLIP ON THE BOOK’S CREATION AND YOU’LL SEE FIRST HAND HOW PROUD THE STUDENTS FEEL AFTER COMPLETING THIS PROJECT CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL CONTRIBUTING STUDENTS AND THANK YOU, TO THE TEACHERS FOR HELPING STUDENTS APPRECIATE AND SHARE OUR COLLECTIVE HISTORY The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> Mr. SPEAKER, THE RESIDENTS OF PICTOU ARE FORTUNATE WEST TO HAVE THE HECTARE ARENA THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO USE THE WALKING TRACK, HAVE A LEISURELY SKATE OR PLAY, A FRIENDLY GAME OF HOCKEY IT. IS ALSO HOME TO MANY YEARLY TOURNAMENTS. THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL SHOWN BY RON AND HIS STAFF IS READILY NOTICEABLE IN THE CLEANLINESS OF THE DRESSING ROOMS AND WASHROOM FACILITIES Mr. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SPECIAL MENTION OF RON FOR APPROACHING AREA BUSINESSES TO SECURE SPONSORSHIP WHICH ALLOWS RESIDENTS A FREE SKATE ON FRIDAY AFTERNOONS. Mr. SPEAKER, I THANK RON AND HIS TEAM FOR THEIR DEDICATION. THANK YOU, Mr SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER? >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE SOPHIE PA WE WHO IS MAKING A REAL DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE LIVING WITH CANCER SOPHIE HAS DONATED ALMOST 130 CENTIMETRES OF HER HAIR TO HELP MAKE WIGS FOR PEOPLE LIVING WITH CANCER. THIS SPRING, THESE GONE BALD TO RAISE MONEY FOR A FAMILY TRYING TO MEET THE CHALLENGES OF COVERING THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DISEASE. SOPHIE HAS MET AN AMBITIOUS GOAL OF RAISING $2,000 THROUGH A GO FUND ME PAGE WHICH SHE HAS ALREADY REACHED SHE WILL BE SHAVING ALL OF HER HAIR AS A SHOW OF SOLIDARITY TO STAND SIDE BY SIDE WITH HER GRANDFATHER, JAY PENNY, WHO HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH PROSTATE CANCER IN 2017. SOPHIE SHARES A SPECIAL BOND AND LOVE OF CAMPING AND EXPLORING THE OUTDOORS WITH HER GRAND MARRY AND HAS DEDICATED HERSELF TO THIS CAUSE TO HONOUR HIM. I THANK SOPHIE FOR HER BRAVERY AND DEDICATION

AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR QUEENS SHELBURNE >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER Mr. SPEAKER, WHEN VANCOUVER-AREA RESIDENTS LEANNE, IT WAS THEIR INTENTION TO MERELY SPEND VACATIONS IN NOVA SCOTIA WITH THEIR FIVE DOLLARS. THE FAMILY DECIDED VISITING WASN’T ENOUGH. THEY LEFT EVERYTHING BEHIND INCLUDING PROFESSIONS IN WHICH LEANNE AND RICHARD WERE WELL-KNOWN AND RESPECTED. IN SEPTEMBER OF 2018, THEY OPENED FIVE GIRLS BAKING ON MAIN STREET IN LIVERPOOL. THIS SHOP HAS QUICKLY BECOME A REGULAR STOP FOR RESIDENTS AND VISIT TORES AND IS ALSO BECOME KNOWN FOR ITS COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY IMPRESSIBLY, THEY HAVE JUST BEEN NOMINATED IN THE HOSPITALITY CATEGORY OF THE LUNENBURG QUEENS BUSINESS EXCELLENCE AWARDS Mr. SPEAKER, I CONGRATULATE LEANNE, RICHARD, AND THEIR FAMILY ON THE SUCCESS OF THEIR BUSINESS AND THANK THEM FOR CHOOSING QUEEN’S COUNTY AS THEIR NEW HOME. THANK YOU, Mr SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON RICHMOND >> Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY TO PRY AWARENESS TO A WONDERFUL PROGRAM OFFERED BY THE RICHMOND COUNTY LITERACY NETWORK. THERE ARE CURRENTLY 166 CHILDREN REGISTERED LOCALLY IN THE PROGRAM AND THEY,373 PROVINCIALLY. Mr. SPEAKER, THIS PROGRAM PROVIDES HIGH QUALITY NEW BACKS FOR FREE TO REGISTER CHILDREN FROM BIRTH UNTIL THE AGE OF 5. EACH MONTH, CHILDREN RECEIVE A NEW BOOK IN THE MAIL SELECTED BY AN ADVISORY PANEL OF EXPERTS. ON JANUARY 27th, THE PROVINCE CELEBRATED LITERACY DAY, HIGHLIGHTING THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ESSENTIAL LIFE SKILL Mr. SPEAKER, FOR CHILDREN, LITERACY BEGINS AT HOME AND THE BENEFITS OF READING TO AN INFANT AND CHILD IS WELL DOCUMENTED IN PROMOTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF A HEALTHY MIND AND CREATING THE FOUNDATION OF LANGUAGE IN LIFE LONG LEARNING. Mr. SPEAKER, I ASK THE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE TO JOIN ME IN PRAISING THE EFFORTS OF THE RICHMOND COUNTY LITERACY NETWORK WHO BY PROMOTING THESE VALUES PROVIDE A VALUABLE SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SYDNEY WHITNEY PIER >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER THE COMMUNITY OF MEMBERTOU RECOGNIZED RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE NUMEROUS LEADERSHIP ROLES THAT THEY TAKE EACH AND EVERY DAY TO SUPPORT THE MEMBERTOU COMMUNITY. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF AWARDS GIVEN OUT DURING THE EVENING. THE SPECIAL RECOGNITION AWARDS WENT TO MADDISON JOE AND ARMAN PAUL ANOTHER AWARD FOR RISING STAR WENT TO BRADLEY MARSHALL AND ANNE CABATI. THE AWARD FOR CULTURE WENT TO KATY AND NATIONAL HI McEWAN. THE LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD WENT TO LAURA PORD. THE SPORTSMAN OF THE YEAR WENT TO GIDEON PAUL AND CANDACE CHRISTMAS. AND THE BRADLEY CHRISTMAS MEMORIAL TROPHY FOR CITIZEN OF THE YEAR WENT TO EMILY PAUL. SO, Mr SPEAKER, I ASK ALL MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF THE AWARD RECIPIENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY OF MEMBERTOU FOR THEIR MEMBERSHIP EACH AND EVERY DAY TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS IN THEIR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND SOUTH? >> Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE COURAGE AND RESPECT AND TEAM SPIRIT OF THE TEAM PLAYERS ON THE OXFORD GOLDEN BEARS AND THE SPRINGFIELD GOLDEN EAGLES BASKETBALL TEAM RUSHTON IS A GRADE 7 STUDENT WHO HAS DEVELOPED A LOVE FOR BASKETBALL AND THE FACT THAT HE HAS DOWNS SYNDROME DOES NOT SLOW HIM DOWN. DURING THE END OF THE GAME AT THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF HIS TEAM, HE TOOK TO THE COURT TO SHOW HIS TALENTS. HE WAS PASSED THE BALL AND SUNK HIS FIRST SHOT. SEVEN HAS ATTENDED EVERY GAME AND EVERY PRACTICE WITH THE GOLDEN BEARS BUT HAS NEVER BEEN COACHED PLAYING UNTIL INTO NOW PLEASE CONGRATULATE ME ON HONOURING SEVEN AND THANKING THE TEAM FOR THE INCURRENT OF THIS FINE YOUNG MAN. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR FAIRVIEW CLAYTON PARK >> Mr. SPEAKER, IT’S AN EXCITING TIME FOR FOODIES TO LIVE IN OR VISIT MY RIDING. AS I MENTIONED LAST SESSION, THERE ARE MANY GREAT RESTAURANTS AND PIZZERIAS OPENING UP IN THE CLAYTON PARK AREA. BUT NOW I’M EXCITED TO TELL YOU THAT HALIFAX AND BEDFORD HAS MADE ITS WAY TO MY COMMUNITY. LEMON TREE, A RESTAURANT, OPENED THEIR NEW LOCATION AT CENTRAL AVENUE ON JANUARY 17th. AMONG THE MANY DISHES YOU CAN FIND WASAKA, LAMB KEBOB, OR MANY VEGGIE ITEMS AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE A SWEET TOOTH, TRY BAKLAVA, TEENY COOKIES OR LEMON CAKE. IT REALLY SEEMS LIKE THERE’S

SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE. I ASK THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY IN WELCOMING LEMON TREE TO THEIR NEW HOME. I KNOW THIS WILL BE A POPULAR SPOT. THANK YOU The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND NORTH >> Mr. SPEAKER, TODAY I RISE TO CONGRATULATE FORT EQUIPMENT PRESIDENT AND HIS FAMILY FOR BEING IN BUSINESS FOR 40 YEARS IN FORT LAWRENCE, NOVA SCOTIA JESS IS MARRIED TO ANGELA BRENNAN AND THEY HAVE FIVE PUFAHL BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN. THE BUSINESS FIRST OPENED IN 1970 WHERE JEFF’S FATHER BERNIE BRENNAN AND MOTHER BERNIE BRENNAN TOOK OVER THE COMPANY IN 1980. JEFF HAS DEDICATED STAFF THAT HE CREDITS FOR THE AIDING AND SUCCESS OF THIS BUSINESS FORD EQUIPMENT SELLS AND SERVICES FARMING MACHINERY IN CUMBERLAND NORTH AND FAR AND WIDE. I WISH THE BRENNAN FAMILY THE BEST ON THIS MILESTONE AND HOPE THEIR FAMILY CONTINUES TO HAVE SUCCESS WITH THEIR BUSINESS IN CUMBERLAND NORTH. THEY ARE CERTAINLY A WELL RESPECTED FAMILY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HAVE SUPPORTED THE COMMUNITY SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR WAVERLEY FALL RIVER BEAVER BANK >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER Mr. SPEAKER, IT WAS A JOYOUS DAY IN THE WAVERLEY DIEPPE LEGION WHEN THE PRESIDENT KEN MALLETTE BURNED THE MORTGAGE FOR THE WAVERLEY LEGION. JUST BEFORE THE CEREMONY BURNING OF THE MORTGAGE, THE LEGION HAD ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAD OFFICIALLY PAID OFF THEIR MORTGAGE OF 330,000 DATING BACK 20 YEARS PLUS. THE LEGION AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE IN THERE TO CELEBRATE. THEY ALSO HELD AN OPEN HOUSE WHICH THE COMMUNITY COULD SEE WHAT THE LEGION IS ALL ABOUT AND HOW THEY CAN JOIN TO KEEP IT LIVING FOR THE YEARS TO COME. Mr. SPEAKER, I WANT TO THANK THE MANY HARDWORKING VOLUNTEERS WHO KEEP THE LEGION ACTIVE IN SERVING THE ARMED FORCES. Mr. SPEAKER, I ASK THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATING THE WAVERLEY DIEPPE LEGION ON THIS MILESTONE THANK YOU The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR COLE HARBOUR EASTERN PASSAGE >> Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE KAREN DUM. AND HE HER STUDENTS AT COLE HARBOUR HIGH SCHOOL FOR ALL OF THEIR HARD WORK GIVING BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITY THROUGH THE CAB’S CAFE IT. IS A LUNCH PUT ON NUMEROUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHERE THE LEARNING CENTRE STUDENTS SERVE A HEARTY MEAL TO THE PUBLIC AND STAFF. WITH KAREN’S HELP AND SUPERVISION, THESE STUDENTS CARRY OUT STAFF THAT ALL CONNECT TO LIFE SKILLS THESE TASKS RANGE FROM FOLDING NAPKINS, EXECUTING VISUAL RECIPES, SERVING AND:ING UP SOME OF KAREN’S STUDENTS ARE NONVERBAL AND USE TABLETS TO COMMUNICATE. KAREN SEES SO MUCH GROWTH WITHIN THE STUDENTS THROUGH THE CAB’S CAFE AND IT’S VERY REWARDING FOR HER AND THE STUDENTS. I CAN PERSONALLY ATTEST TO HOW WONDERFUL THEIR MEALS. I ASK ALL MEMBERS OF THE NOVA SCOTIA LEGISLATURE TO JOIN ME IN THANKING KAREN DUME FOR HER COMPASSION AND INSIGHT TO SEE THE POTENTIAL IN ALL OF HER STUDENTS. THANK YOU, Mr SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX ATLANTIC >> Mr. SPEAKER, I’D LIKE TO WELCOME SUSHI COVE TO SPRYFIELD THE RESTAURANT OPENED AT 355 HERRING COVE ROAD AND IT’S BECOME A VERY WELCOME ADDITION THE REVIEWS OF THE RESTAURANT HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY POSITIVE AND I SHOULD KNOW. I’VE EATEN THERE PROBABLY OVER A DOZEN TIMES. I REALLY ENJOY THE FOOD AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GOING BACK. OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN SOME GREAT CHANGES IN THE BUSINESS LANDSCAPE OF SPRYFIELD WITH THE ADDITION OF SEVERAL BUSINESSES TO THE AREA. THE ADDITIONS OF NEW FOOD EXPERIENCE IS A WELCOME CHANGE TO THE COMMUNITY. RECENTLY, WE WELCOMED OTHERS TO SPRYFIELD AND NOW ARE WE PLEASED TO WELCOME SUSHI COVE. IT IS A SMALL BUSINESS SUCH AS SUSHI COVE THAT ARE THE BACKBONE OF OUR ECONOMY THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS IS VERY CHALLENGING BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS RESTAURANT, SUSHI COVE, HAS FOUND A GAP IN THE SPRYFIELD MARKET AND I WISH THEM EVERY SUCCESS WITH THEIR NEW VEIN TOUR. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE THE DEDICATION OF GREG OREGON WHO HAS RECENTLY STEPPED DOWN AFTER MANY YEARS AS CHIEF OF THE NEIL’S HARBOUR NEW HAVEN VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT WHILE RETIRING AS CHIEF, OREGON SAYS HE WILL STILL HELP AS A VOLUNTEER FIRE FIGHT EVERY. THE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN GOOD HANDS, THOUGH. MARGARET SMITH HAS ASSUMED THE ROLE OF CHIEF. I HAVE NO DOUBT SHE WILL ACHIEVE IN THIS NEW ROLE. SHE’S A REGISTERED NURSE AND COMES FROM AIRFREIGHTING FAMILY. — FROM A FIRE FIGHTING FAMILY HER FATHER STILL REMAINS A CAPTAIN IN THE DEPARTMENT TODAY Mr. SPEAKER, IT IS A TRUE HONOUR TO THANK GREG FOR HIS MANY YEARS OF SERVICE TO

CONGRATULATE MARGARET FOR TAKING ON THIS NEW CHALLENGE. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CLAYTON PARK WEST? >> Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER IN CLAYTON PARK WEST, ANDREW COXWELL. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING ANDREW THROUGH HIS LOVELY 11-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER RILEY AT PARK WEST SCHOOL WHO IS ALSO AN AVID VOLUNTEER AND THE TWO OF THEM ARE AVID VOLUNTEERS FOR MY LITTLE CLEANING UP INITIATIVE MEETINGUPON HIM, ANDREW AND HIS FAMILY GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO HELP AT THE ANNUAL BARBECUE WHERE HE WAS THE — ONE OF THE CHEFS — COOKS AT THAT BARBECUE. ASIDE FROM FREQUENTLY VOLUNTEERING AT PARK WEST SCHOOL WHERE HIS DAUGHTER ATTENDS, ANDREW ASSISTS IN HAD THE ORGANIZATION OF FOOD AND FURNITURE BANK WITH THE HELP OF MANY VOLUNTEERS FROM THE BEDFORD INSTITUTE OCEANOGRAPHY WHERE HE WORKS, THEY ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOOD FOR ROUGHLY THOUSAND FAMILIES IN HRM. Mr SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ANDREW AND HIS FAMILY FOR THEIR GENEROUS CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SACKVILLE COBEQUID >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS, THE SACKVILLE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN HOSTING THE ANNUAL SACKVILLE CRIMINAL TREE LIGHTING AT — CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING AT ACADIA PARK. EACH YEAR, ORGANIZATIONS COME TOGETHER TO PROVIDE LIVE MUSIC AND TREATS TO THE COMMUNITY FOR FREE. THIS YEAR’S EVENT TOOK PLACE ON NOVEMBER 29th AND DESPITE THE FRIGID TEMPERATURES WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED Mr. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY JOIN ME IN THANKING THE MEMBERS OF THE SACKVILLE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION FOR THEIR CONTINUED EFFORTS TO HOST EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. THANK YOU, Mr SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR KINGS SOUTH >> Mr. SPEAKER, VIBRANT COMMUNITIES ARE SOME OF THE MANY COMMUNITY GROUPS OR VOLUNTEERS WHO CREATE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND SERVICE FOR SURE OUR CITIZENS. IN THE ANNAPOLIS VALLEY, IT IS THE HONOUR CHOIR WHO RECENTLY CELEBRATED THEIR 30th ANNIVERSARY. LED BY DIRECTOR HEATHER FRAZER, THE HONOUR CHOIR BRINGS TOGETHER 150 YOUNG PEOPLE FROM GRADE 3 TO 12 AND YOUNG ADULTS BY OFFERING LOCAL TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT AND MENTOR SHIP. IN ADDITION TO THESE CORE PROGRAMS, THE HONOUR CHOIR HAS ALSO LAUNCHED A LITERACY PROGRAM WITH THE ACADIA MUSIC SAULT STE. MARIES, A BURSARY PROGRAM WITH MUD CREEK ROTARY, A CHOIRSTER APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM AND MORE I INVITE ALL MEMBERS OF THE NOVA SCOTIA HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY TO CONGRATULATE AND THANK HEALTHER AND THE MANY PARENT VOLUNTEERS AND SUPPORTERS WHO OVER THREE DECADES HAVE GIVEN THE ANNAPOLIS VALLEY THE GIFT OF AN HONOUR QUIRE. THANK YOU, Mr SPEAKER >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Mr SPEAKER. I WANT TO RISE WITH SAD NEWS ON THE GREAT PASSING OF BARBARA ELIZABETH YORK OF FALL RIVER WHO RECENTLY PASSED AWAY ON FEBRUARY 23rd. BARBARA IS A GRADUATE OF St. MARY’S UNIVERSITY. SHE WAS ALSO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ATLANTIC GOLF SUPERINTENDENTS ASSOCIATION FOR 15 YEARS HOWEVER, IT IS THROUGH HER ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT AND VOLUNTEERING WITH THE SACKVILLE CONNECT CLUBS WHERE SHE HELD POSITIONS AT BOTH CLUB ZONE AND DISTRICT LEVELS THAT I MET BARB BARB EMBODIED THE TRUE MEANING OF KINS, BRINGING A BRIGHT SMILE AND INFECTIOUS LAUGH TO ALL WHO MET HER. BARB WILL BE DEEPLY MISSED BY THOSE WHO KNEW HER AND THERE ARE MANY THROUGHOUT THIS PROVINCE WHO WOULD KNOW WHO SHE IS. I EXTEND SINCERE CONDOLENCES TO HER HUSBAND HUGH AS WELL AS HER CHILDREN AND HER GRANDSON. Mr. SPEAKER, WITH THE PASSING OF BARB, I CAN SINCERELY SAY THAT THE COMMUNITIES OF SACKVILLE AND FALL RIVER HAVE LOST A GREAT VOLUNTEER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR BEDFORD? >> Mr. SPEAKER, IN 1881, MARIANNE BROCKWELL, A BEDFORD WOMAN OF MEANS, GIFTED SOME LAND TO THE TO USE A COMMUNITYCEMETERY FOR RESIDENTS OF ALL CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS. AS A RESULT, BROOKSIDE CEMETERY HAS BEEN THE FINAL RESTING PLACE FOR MANY BED FORWARD RESIDENTS IT’S MANAGED BY A VOLUNTEER BOARD OF WHICH JIM HUDIN HAND A MEMBER FOR ABOUT A DOZEN INJURIES. JIM HAS HELD A VARIETY OF ROLES OVER THE YEARS, INCLUDING PRESIDENT. HE’S HELPED FAMILIES HONOUR THEIR LOVED ONES WHO PASS AWAY. JIM IS SENSITIVE TO THE NEEDS OF GRIEVING FAMILIES AND HE PROVIDES COMFORT AT A DIFFICULT

TIME. I’D ALSO NOTE THAT JIM HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OVER THE YEARS. HE’S DEEPLY INVOLVED IN ACTIVITIES AT BEDFORD UNITED CHURCH AND SERVED AS A KEY VOLUNTEER WITH SOCCER AND HOCKEY AS WELL. IN FACT, FOLKS SAY JIM HUDI (A LAWYER BY PROFESSION BUT A VOLUNTEER BY CHOICE AND I’D LIKE TO THANK HIM FOR SERVING THE PEOPLE OF BEDFORD The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER Mr. SPEAKER, IT IS MY HONOUR TO RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE THE 50th ANNIVERSARY OF THE CHARTER RIVER JOHN AND DISTRICT LAINE’S CLUB. THE CLUB IS FORMED IN JANUARY 1970 AND CELEBRATED THIS MILESTONE ON FEBRUARY 15th, 2020. I EXTEND SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO Mr. DONALD REDMONT AND Mr. AL CENTRE McKENZIE, TWO FOUNDING MEMBERS WHO REMAIN WITH THE CLUB TODAY. FOR 50 YEARS AND COUNTING, THE RIVER JOHN AND DISTRICT LION’S CLUB HAS SERVED THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IN A VARIETY OF WAYS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO AID FOR CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS, ASSISTANCE WITH MEDICAL EQUIPMENT FOR ILL RESIDENTS AND GENERAL HELP FOR FAMILIES IN NEED. THE CLUB ALSO PROUDLY SUPPORTS STUDENTS WITH ANNUAL BURSARIES AWARDED AT GRADUATION. THE LOCAL COMMUNITY HAS USE OF THE CLUBHOUSE FOR SUPPERS, BREAKFASTS, AND MEETINGS. Mr. SPEAKER, I CONGRATULATE THE RIVER JOHN AND DISTRICT LION’S CLUB ON THEIR 50th CHARTER ANNIVERSARY AND THANK THE MEMBERS FOR THEIR DEDICATED SERVICE. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE FOR CLARE DIGBY >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, PEOPLE HAVE SOUGHT WAYS TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER BEFORE THE INTERNET AND TELEVISION, PEOPLE LEARNED THE NEWS THROUGH NEWSPAPERS AS THE WEEKLY [ Speaking French ] THIS PAPER WAS FIRST PUBLISHED AND DISTRIBUTED IN SOUTHWESTERN END OF THE PROVINCE IN 1937. IN 1972, TO REFLECT THE NEW POLITICAL PROVINCIAL MANDATE OF A COURIER TO DEVELOP LINKS BETWEEN ALL THE FRANCOPHONE AND ACADIAN COMMUNITIES OF NOVA SCOTIA, THE NAME OF THE PAPER WAS CHANGED TO [ Speaking French ] SINCE THEN, IN A TIME WHEN THE WAY PEOPLE COMMUNICATE AND ENVELOPE THEMSELVES HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY, THEY ARE INVOLVED AND STRIVING TO REMAIN Reporter: IN THE FRENCH SPEAKING MINORITY PART OF THE PROVINCE. THE ASSOCIATION, THE CANADIAN NETWORK OF FRENCH LANGUAGE NEWSPAPERS, PUBLISHED OUTSIDE OF QUEBEC RECOGNIZED LA COURIER WITH [ Speaking FRENCH ] IN 2019 IN THE CATEGORY SPECIAL PROJECT OF THE YEAR CONGRATULATIONS TO FRAN OIS ROBICHAUD AND HIS TEAM AT THE COURIER. THANK YOU, Mr SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR QUEENS SHELBURNE >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER Mr. SPEAKER, IT’S A PLEASURE TO RISE TODAY TO ACKNOWLEDGE MICHELLE WHYNOT, LISA HARRIS, AND OTHER VOLUNTEERS KNOWN AS THE HONEY BEES FOR MAKING A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. ORGANIZED THROUGH THE SHELBURNE CHRIST CHURCH, THE HONEY BEES HAVE BEEN HARD AT WORK FOR RESIDENTS OF SHELBURNE AND NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AT NO COST. ON TOP OF COOKING FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT EVENTS IN SHELBURNE, THE HONEY BEES HAVE THEIR OWN MONTHLY EVENT WHERE THEY PROVIDE A SAFE SPACE WHERE RESIDENTS CAN COME AND ENJOY A HOT MEAL FREE OF CHARGE. THEIR MOTTO IS SUPPORTING COMMUNITY AS WE SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER. Mr SPEAKER, I ASK ALL MEMBERS OF THIS LEGISLATURE FOR JOINING ME AND THANKING THE HONEY BEES FOR ALL THAT THEY DO. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER? >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY IN RECOGNITION OF THE HARD WORK AND DEDICATION OF DEE MALONG, A WONDERFUL LADY WHO HAS BEEN VOLUNTEERING OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS TO PROVIDE INCOME TAX FILING SUPPORT TO CONSTITUENTS IN NEED. DEE IS AN ACCOUNTANT BY TRADE WITH A LONG AND COMMENDABLE CAREER WHERE SHE LEARNED THE SKILLS SHE USES TODAY, OR AT LEAST AT TAX TIME, TO SERVE HER COMMUNITY. DEE’S CURRENT COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERISM IS WORKING AT PROVIDING SENIORS AND LOW INCOME CONSTITUENTS ASSISTANCE IN PREPARING AND FILING THEIR ANNUAL INCOME TAX RETURNS IT. CAN BE DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY IN RURAL COMMUNITIES, TO ACCESS ALL OF THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THEY NEED AND THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE OF SENIORS AND OTHERS WHO MAY FIND IT MORE DIFFICULT TO TRAVEL INTO LARGER TOWNS TO ACCESS THESE SERVICES WHICH IS WHY THE ACCOUNTING HELP DEE PROVIDES IS SO CRUCIAL AND NECESSARY. TAX SEASON CAN BE CHALLENGING FOR MANY OF US. BUT THANKS TO DEE, THOSE CAN FILL THEIR TAXES WITH CONFIDENCE, KNOWING HER EXPERTISE IS TAKING CARE OF THEM. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE

MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND NORTH >> Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TO RECOGNIZE DEAN FROM AMHERST, NOVA SCOTIA. DEAN IS A CREATIVE ENTREPRENEUR AND OPENED THIS BUSINESS FIVE YEARS AGO. SHE WANTED TO BRING THIS BOUTIQUE BUSINESS WITH HER EXCELLENCE IN PERSONAL SERVICE TO HER CUSTOMERS. THIS IS DIANE’S SECOND BUSINESS. SHE HAS PERSONALLY DESIGNED UNIQUE HOOKED RUGS THE WORD OVER. PLAN PLAN [ Please Stand By ] >> : MR. SPEAKER, THE ARMDALE YACHT CLUB IS A BIG PART OF MY COMMUNITY’S HISTORY. THE CLUB IS LOCATED ON MELVILLE ICELAND WHICH HAS BEEN ICED EACH THE YEARS AS A FAMILY ESTATE, HOSPITAL, QUARANTINE STATION, PRISONER OF WAR CAMP AND AN AMMUNITION DEPOT DURINGED WITH IT WAS FOUNDED IN 1937 AND AFTER THED WITH, MOVED OUT IN 1945 WHEN THE MILITARY MOVED OUT, THE FOUNDERS NEGOTIATED A LONG-TERM LEASE FOR THE LAND WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL DEFENSE TODAY FIVE OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS REMAIN INCLUDING THE ICONIC CLUBHOUSE. THOUGH THE CLUB CHARACTER AND TYPES OF VESSELS AND ACCOMMODATIONS HAS CHANGED OR THE YEARS, IT REMAINS A VITAL PART OF MY COMMUNITY ON MARCH 10 THEY WILL HOST PAST MARITIME AND LONG-TIME COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON A HISTORY OF THE CLUB. THIS PRESENTATION BEGINS AT FREE AND BEGINS AT 7 O’CLOCK I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME OUT AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS LONG-STANDING INSTITUTION >> : MR. SPEAKER, I WISH TO EXPRESS MY CONGRATULATIONS AND GRATITUDE TO THE CONNING AND DISTRICT LION’S CLUB. THEY HAVE SERVED THE COMMUNITY FOR 50 YEARS AND CELEBRATED THIS EVENT AS A CHARTER NIGHT ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2020. THE MEMBER’S COMMITMENT TO SERVICE OVER THESE MANY YEARS HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATED IN THE COUNTLESS VOLUNTEER HOURS AND HUNDREDS OF HOW SANDS OF DOLLARS OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF INDIVIDUAL AND THEIR COMMUNITIES. MEMBERS OF THE CLUB STARTED THE FOODBANK AND THEY CONTINUE TO HOST THIS FOODBANK. MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO JOIN ME IN THANKING THE CLUB FOR THEIR COUNTLESS VOLUNTEER HOURS AND WORK AND COMMITMENT THAT HAVE LED TO A STRONGER MORE ENGAGING COMMUNITY COMMUNITY. THANK YOU >> : THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE DR. RHONDA MacDONALD AND DR. KNOLL AS BORN, VET NARES IN THE ANY TIMBERLEA ANIMAL HOSPITAL. THEY HAVE A FULL SERVICE ANIMAL HOSPITAL DEDICATED TO CARING FOR PETS WHICH IS SCHEDULED TO OPEN THIS SPRING. AFTER SPENDING HER DOCK TRAITOR IN VETERINARY MEDICINE, SHE POSSESSES AND ENTHUSIAST ENTHUSIASTASTIC INTEREST IN SOFT TISSUE EMERGENCY MEDICINE. SHE IS PASSIONATE ABOUT POTTERY, KAYAKING AS WELL AS CARING FOR HER FOUR CATS, DOGS AND CHICKENS. SHE HOLDS A MASTER’S AND DOCTORAL DEGREE IN MOUNT ALLISON UNIVERSITY. HE ENJOYS KAYAKING THE. MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE TO JOIN ME IN RECOGNIZING THE TIMBERLEA ANIMAL HOSPITAL FOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS THEY ARE WORK TOWARDS OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE OUR BELOVED PETS HEALTHY THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER >> The Speaker: MR. SPEAKER, I’VE MENTIONED THIS INDIVIDUAL BEFORE FOR THE $WITHIN MILLION GATE FROM THE GATES FOUNDATION SHE RECEIVED. I COULDN’T HELP ELABORATING. SHE SEW STUDIED WHILE INFANTILE WAS SO COMMON IN ASIA. IT WAS LARGELY DUE TO THE BABY’S LACK OF THIGH MEAN IN BREAST MILK. THE STUDY WAS A SUCCESS. MEANWHILE IN HALIFAX, SHE’S COMPILING DATA OF THE MILING AND NUTRIENT ASSESSMENT LABS TO HEAVEN ESTABLISH

PRACTICES IN INFANCY. HER SEARCH IS LAUDED AS GROUND-BREAKING >> : ORDER, PLEASE. TIME ALLOTTED FOR MECHANISM STATEMENT HAS EXPIRED. THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> : THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE A STORY FROM THE CBC THAT SAYS EMAIL DETAILS EFFORT TO COVER UP NOVA SCOTIA ML’S’ DRUNK DRIVING LEGISLATION >> : I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE TERM COVER-UP IS A LONG DOCUMENTED PARLIAMENTARY TERM I UNDERSTANDS IT PART OF A MEDIA STORY BUT IT’S NOT A TERM THAT WE’LL USE IN THIS CHAMBER. THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> : JUST A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE, MR. SPEAKER. HOW SHOULD I REFER TO WHAT THE MEDIA STORY SAYS >> The Speaker: YOU COULD REFER TO THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU’RE GOING TO TABLE >> : OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER >> : IF THERE’S AN AUTHOR FOR THE DOCUMENT >> : I’M TABLING THE DOCUMENT THAT REFERS TO HOW THE LIBERAL PARTIED AN EMAIL THAT WAS DETAILED A DRUNK DRIVING INCIDENT. THE EMAIL IN QUESTION WAS SENT TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHESTER ST. MARGARET’S LIBERAL RIDING ASSOCIATION. A DIRECTOR ON THAT SAME ASSOCIATION AND AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE REGIONAL CAUCUS OPERATIONS OFFICER FOR THE NOVA SCOTIA LIBERAL CAUCUS OFFICE. AND THE EMAIL DATED MAY 6, 2019 INCLUDED AN ACCOUNT OF AN ALLEGED DRUNK DRIVING INCIDENT INVOLVING THE MEMBER THE PREMIER HAS NOW HAD A DAY TO REVIEW THE EMAIL AND CONSIDER ITS MANY AREFICATIONS. SINCE THE EMAIL HAS BROUGHT TO HIS ATTENTION YESTERDAY, HAS HE ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT ANY OF THE RECIPIENTS OF THE EMAIL ? >> : THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> : NO, I HAVE NOT, MR. SPEAKER. HE WOULD KNOW, THOUGH. HE’S FOLLOWING THE NEWS, MR. SPEAKER. THE PARTY PRESIDENT AT THAT TIME SAID THAT HE VETTED THAT, DIDN’T FIND THE ISSUES TO BE CREDIBLE, MR. SPEAKER AND DID NOT INFORM THE PREMIER >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> : THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER AND DID I SEE MEDIA REPORTS REFERRING TO WHAT APPEARED TO BE A VERY WELL COACHED RESPONSE TO THAT. BUT THE UNDERLYING ISSUE IS THERE ARE VERY SERIOUS QUESTIONS OUTSTANDING ABOUT HOW MEMBERS OF THE LIBERAL POLITICAL STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE LIBERAL PARTY HAVE HANDLED THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THAT EMAIL. THE EMAIL WOULD IMPLY THAT THE CONSTITUENCY ASSISTANCE OF THE MEMBER KNEW OF THE ALLEGED DUI INCIDENT FROM THE MOMENT IT HAPPENED AND THAT THE EMPLOYEE OF THE LIBERAL CAUCUS OFFICE KNEW FROM WHEN SHE RECEIVED AN EMAIL ON MAY 6 SINCE THE PREMIER CLAIMS THAT THE EMAIL AND ITS ALLEGATIONS HAVE NOT BEEN BROUGHT TO HIS ATTENTION PREVIOUSLY, I WOULD THINK THAT THE PREMIER WOULD WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT IT WASN’T BROUGHT TO HIS ATTENTION. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PREMIER, HAS THE PREMIER BEGUN AN INVESTIGATION INTO HOW THIS EMAIL WAS HANDLED ? >> : THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> : AGAIN, MR. SPEAKER, AS I SAID TO YOU, THE PARTY PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THAT IN THAT RIDING AND NOT FINDING IT CREDIBLE. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER TABLED DOCUMENTS WITH ALL KINDS OF ALLEGATIONS WITH ZERO EVIDENCE. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE EVIDENCE. THERE’S AN ACCUSATION IN THAT IN ANYONE IN THIS PROVINCE, MR. SPEAKER WHO BELIEVES THEY’VE SEEN A CRIME, NOT PUT IT IN A LETTER, GO REPORT IT TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH THE PROVINCE. THE QUESTION IS HOW LONG HAS THE HONOURABLE MEMBER SEEN THE DOCUMENT? HOW LONG HAS HE BEEN SITTING ON THE DOCUMENT TO USE IT AS A POLITICAL DOCUMENT? THAT’S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. HOW LONG HAS HE HELD THE DOCUMENT, SO HE COULD COME IN THE HOUSE, GRANDSTAND AND HOW LONG HAS HE HAD IT? HOW LONG HAS HE BEEN SITTING ON A DOCUMENT THAT HE SAYS DEMOCRATICS THAT SOMEONE BROKE THE LAW? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE IN THAT DOCUMENT ? >> : THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION? >> : I’LL DO SOMETHING UNIQUE THIS ANSWER. I AM S AND A QUESTION. THREE HOURS. THAT’S HOW LONG IT TOOK ME TO ACT WHEN I SAW THAT, MR. SPEAKER. THE PREMIER HAS SAID THAT ANYONE WHO RECEIVES AN ACCOUNT UNDER OF AN ALLEGED CRIME, PARTICULARLY ONE AS DETAILED AS THIS EMAIL, SHOULD CALL THE POLICE. I AGREE. IF HAS SOMEBODY SUCH KNOWLEDGE, THEY SHOULD CALL THE POLICE. AND SOMEONE DID. BUT IT APPEARS THAT THAT PERSON IS NEITHER OF THE TWO PROVINCIAL EMPLOYEES OF THE LIBERAL PARTY OF NOVA SCOTIA. WHO WERE AWARE OF THIS. AND NOR WAS IT ANY OF THE LIBERAL PARTY MEMBERS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE EMAIL WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT EMAIL. HAS THE PREMIER BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE IF ANYONE WHO IS IN HIS EMPLOY WHO HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THIS INSTANT CALL TO THE POLICE? I’LL REMIND THE PREMIER OF ONE PORTION OF EVIDENCE THAT HE SEEMS TO BE OVERLOOKING THAT IS

VERY CRITICAL TO THIS. THE POLICE HAVE LAID CHARGES. THAT IS THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS IN THE EMAIL HAS MERIT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM THE PREMIER, WAS THE PREMIER AWARE OF ANY UNDER HIS EMPLOY WHO ACTUALLY CALLED THE POLICE ? >> : THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> : MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE HONOURABLE MEMBER TO RECOGNIZE THERE IS AN ISSUE OF THE COURT THAT WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE’S GUILT, MR. SPEAKER THE RHEALI OF IT BECAUSE A CHARGE LAID DOES NOT MEAN THE INDIVIDUAL IS GYMNASTY. THE ACCUSATION THAT THE HONOURABLE MEMBER — >> The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE THIS WILL BE THE ONLY WARNING TODAY FOR UNSOLICITED COMMENTS THE HONOURABLE PREMIER HAS THE FLOOR >> : MR. SPEAKER, ANYONE IN THIS PROVINCE WHO IS GOING TO MAKE AN ALLEGATION ABOUT ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL IN THIS PROVINCE NEEDS TO HAVE EVIDENCE, MR. SPEAKER, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IN THIS PROVINCE. THE VERY PERSON WHO IS MAKING THE ALLEGATIONS SHOULD BE THE ONES WHO GOES AND CONTACTS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IN THIS PROVINCE TO MAKE THE ALLEGATION AND CHARGES BECAUSE THAT’S THE REALITY >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRAT PARTY >> : THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PREMIER ABOUT THE CALM LANDS IN LITTLE HARBOUR. IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR, THE GOVERNMENT PASSED A CONFIDENTIAL MINUTE LETTER BY MEANS OF WHICH ALLISON PROVINCIAL PARK WAS REMOVED FROM THE LIST OF PENDING PROTECTED AREAS. THEN IN DECEMBER, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, THANKS ONLY TO THE INVESTIGATIVE WORK OF A DILIGENT JOURNALIST, THIS FAX CAME TO PUBLIC LIFE — FACT CAME. LAST MONTH IN JANUARY, THE GOVERNMENT QUIETLY REMOVED THE PARK FROM THE ONLINE MAP OF PROTECTED AREAS. I WANT TO ASK THE PREMIER IF HE WOULD SHARE HIS REASONING AS TO WHY HIS GOVERNMENT DID NOT CONSULT OR DID NOT ENGAGE OR DID NOT EVEN INFORM THE PUBLIC AT ANY POINT ALONG THIS PROCESS ? >> : ORDER, PLEASE. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRAT PARTY THAT I’M GOING THE TOPIC ATHAND APPEARS ON THE ORDER PAPER TWICE, ONE IN THE FORM OF THE BILL THAT YOUR PARTY INTRODUCED JUST A SHORT WHILE AGO ON THIS DAY AS WELL AS THE TOPIC FOR LATE DEBATE. SO THAT ELIMINATES IT AS FODDER FOR QUESTION PERIOD >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> : MIGHT I CALL FOR A RECONSIDERATION OF THAT JUDGMENT. IS IT IN FACT THE CASE THAT THE ENTIRE SUBJECT THAT IS POINTED TO IN SUCH A BILL IS NOT LEGITIMATE SUBJECT FOR DISCUSSION IN SUCH A DAY IN THE HOUSE. THAT HAS NOT BEEN MY PREVIOUS UNDERSTANDING >> The Speaker: WE WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY IF THE SHORT TITLE OF THE BILL PRINTED RIGHT ON THE SECOND PAGE WASN’T THE OWL’S HEAD ACT. YOU’RE SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A SCENARIO THAT IS THE TOPIC OF A BILL AND IS THE TOPIC OF LATE DEBATE, BOTH OF WHICH ARE ON THE ORDER PAPER. SO IF YOU HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT A GENERAL PROCESS, THAT’S FINE. BUT YOUR QUESTION TO ME IS SPECIFIC ABOUT A SPECIFIC SITUATION. THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> : WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, WITHOUT MENTIONING THE NAME OF ANY PARTICULAR COMMUNITIES ON THE EASTERN SHORE, [ Laughter ] >> : IF IN GENERAL WHEN THE GOVERNMENT ATTENDS TO THE DISPOSITION AND THE POTENTIAL FUTURE OF CROWN LAND, IF IT DOES NOT FIND IT OVERALL A WISER COURSE OF ACTION TO CONSULT AND ENGAGE AND INFORM THAN TO NOT DO SO ? >> : THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> : I WANT TO THANK THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HIS QUESTION AND HIS ABILITY TO THINK QUICK ON HIS FEET. BUT I DO WANT TO TALK TO HIM SERIOUSLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE, MR. SPEAKER IN HIS EARLIER PREAMBLE, HE ACTUALLY ALLUDED TO THE FACT THIS WAS NOT A PROTECTED AREA, IT WAS ON A LIST OF POTENTIAL PROTECTED AREAS. AND LIKE ALL PIECES OF CROWNLAND AND MR. SPEAKER WHEN SOMEONE, WHETHER BEING USED OR LOOKING TO BUY THAT PIECE OF CROWN LAND, THERE’S A PROCESS THAT YOU WOULD GO THROUGH. THERE WAS AN OFFER MADE ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, MR. SPEAKER, THERE WOULD HAVE TO

BE PUBLIC CONSULTATION AND PUBLIC INPUT TO GO FORWARD. AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE ONGOING PROCESS IF THAT PROPERTY HASN’T SOLD >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> : MR. SPEAKER, THE PREMIER RAISES THE POINT WHICH HAS BEEN RAISED MUCH IN THE GOVERNMENT’S DISCOURSE ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THE TECHNICAL OR JURIDICAL STATUS OF THIS PIECE OF CROWNLAND, PENDING, NOT PANING, PARK, NOT PARK, AND SO ON. WHAT I’M WANTING TO POINT TO, THOUGH, IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN A BROAD UNDERSTANDING AS THERE MIGHT BE AMONGST THE PUBLIC WHEN THAT GOVERNMENT REPORTING WITH THINGS LIKE THOSE AMONG OTHER THINGS, WHEN THESE THINGS HAVE ALL INDICATED A CERTAIN UNDERSTANDING WHEN THE PUBLIC COMES TO AN UNDERSTANDING, IN GENERAL THAT THE PROTECTION OF SOMETHING HAS BEEN PROVIDED WOULD IT NOT BE BETTER WHEN THAT IS THE CASE TO PROCEED BY SOME MEANS THAT WOULD AT LEAST ALLOW AN ELEMENTARY LEVEL OF INFORMATION TO BE SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC WHEN A DIFFERENT COURSE OF ACTION IS TO BE FOLLOWED ? >> : THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> : MR. SPEAKER, I’M NOT SURE WHAT THE QUESTION WAS, REALLY, I’M NOT. THE REALITY OF IT IS I SAID IN THE PROCESS THAT WAS IN PLACE, THERE WOULD BE PUBLIC INPUT AND CONSULTATION ON IT, MR. SPEAKER. THIS IS NOT A PIECE OF PROTECTED LAND. AND MR. SPEAKER, LET’S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. IT’S NOT SOMEONE MAKING THIS UP. IT WASN’T PROTECTED AND NOW IT WAS DELISTED. IT WAS NEVER PROTECTED. IT WAS ONE OF A NUMBER OF PIECES OF LAND ACROSS THE PROVINCE THAT THE FORMER GOVERNMENT HAD LOOKED AT AS POTENTIAL CANDIDATES TO BE ADDED TO OUR PRESENTED LAND. IN THE MEANTIME, MR. SPEAKER, THERE WAS INTEREST IN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES IN THE REGION OF THE PROVINCE THAT REQUIRES ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES AND IT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBLE THING FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO DO IS TO LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS AND I WILL TELL THE MEMBER THERE WOULD BE PUBLIC CONSULTATION >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> : WELL, I DO, MR. SPEAKER, WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT PUBLIC CONSULTATION. THE MEANS BY WHICH ANY PIECE OF LAND ENDED UP BEING LISTED ON THE NDP’S PARKS AND PROTECTED AREA PLAN WAS A MEANS OF EXTENSIVE CONSULTATION. AT THAT TIME THERE WERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HELD ACROSS THE PROVINCE, AROUND 20 OF THEM. THERE WERE MULTITUDE OF INTERVIEWS, WAY OVER 1,000 OF THEM. MANY, MANY WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS. I THINK THE ORDER WAS AROUND 3,000 SO WE’RE TALKING HERE ABOUT CONSULTATION ON CROWN LANDS AND LAND PRESERVATION WITH A CAPITAL “C.” THE DIFFICULTY IS IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT LEVEL OF REGARD FOR CONSULTATION HAS NOT BEEN HONOURED HERE. SO I WANT TO ASK THE PREMIER, DOES HIS GOVERNMENT HOLD SUCH LOW RECARD REGUARD FOR COMMUNITY VOICE AND PUBLIC PARTIAL THAT WHEN THE PUBLIC HAS AN ISSUE THAT IS OF SUCH CONCERN TO THEM, THERE’S ALL THIS LEVEL OF CONSULTATION IS SIMPLY TAKEN AND APPARENTLY DISREGARDED >> The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> : MR. SPEAKER, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHEN THEY WERE IN POWER DID ALL OF THIS CONSULTATION THAT IS DEEMED — THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED, WHY DIDN’T THEY PROTECT IT? WHY DIDN’T THEY PUT IT ON AS A POTENTIAL PIECE, MR. SPEAKER? WHY DIDN’T THEY SIMPLY PROTECT IT? I THINK THAT’S THE BETTER QUESTION THEY’VE DONE ALL OF THE PUBLIC CONSULTATION THAT HE’S DESCRIBING. WHY STOP IS THERE? IF YOU BELIEVE THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROTECTED, WHY DIDN’T THEY PROTECT IT, MR. SPEAKER ? >> : THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> : THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER MR. SPEAKER, IN 2014 THE PREMIER FIRED HIS DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS AFTER LEARNING OF A DOMESTIC ASSAULT AND AT THE TIME, THE PREMIER SAID HE TERM NAMED THE EMPLOYEE BECAUSE HE WAITED FOUR DAYS TO TELL THE PREMIER ABOUT THAT INCIDENT. IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE MEMBER FOR ST. MARGARET, NEWS HAD BEEN ORDERED TO APPEAR WAS APPARENTLY KEPT FROM THE PREMIER FROM FEBRUARY 12 TO FEBRUARY 25 THAT’S NINE DAYS AND YET THE PREMIER SAYS THAT HE AND THE MEMBER MUTUALLY AGREED THAT THE MEMBER SHOULD RESIGN FROM CAUCUS. I HAVE TO ASK THE PREMIER, WHY WAS A FOUR-DAY WAIT A FIREABLE OFFENCE SIX YEARS AGO BUT A 9-DATE WAIT WASN’T IN 2020 [ PLEASE STAND BY FOR CAPTIONING ]

>> DID HE LAUNCH A REVIEW The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> ALL MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE WOULD KNOW, THEY GET ELECTED BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS. I DON’T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO FIRE ANYBODY IN THIS CHAMBER, MR SPEAKER. IT’S, I’M ALWAYS SURPRISED AT THE AMOUNT OF LEVEL OF, I’M TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT WORD, MR. SPEAKER. HONOURABLE MINISTER WILL GO TO. HE TALKS ABOUT I, I, I. PATTING HIMSELF ON THE BACK FOR ALL OF THE GREAT THINGS HE HAS DONE. I WOULD BE WORRIED IF I WERE SOME OF YOU PEOPLE. I WOULD BE WORRIED WHAT HE MIGHT DO FOR YOU The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE REMIND THE HONOURABLE PREMIER TO KEEP COMMENTS DIRECTED THROUGH THE CHAIR. THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WITH WE’RE TALKING ABOUT A MOREL COMPASS. WONDERING IF THIS PREMIER HAS ONE, MR. SPEAKER The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE LIKE TO REMIND THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION UNPARLIAMENTARY TO CALL INTO QUESTION THE INTEGRITY OF ANOTHER MEMBER IN THIS CHAMBER. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO RETRACT THAT STATEMENT >> I RETRACT. A QUOTE THE STANDARDS YOU WALK PAST IS A STANDARD YOU ACCEPT. WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE SICK AND STRUGGLING, DO YOU PUT ASIDE YOUR POLITICAL AMBITIONS FOR YOUR PARTY AND HELP THEM OUT? OR DO YOU PRIORITIZE POLITICAL EXPENDENTCY AND TURN AWAY AND CONVENIENTLY BE KEPT IN THE DARK BY YOUR TEAM? THAT’S WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, MR. SPEAKER. WITH THIS PREMIER, THE ACTIONS OF THE LIBERAL PARTY CAUCUS MEMBERS THAT KNEW, THE ACTIONS OF THE LIBERAL PARTY SUPPORTERS THAT KNEW, SUGGEST THEY WANTED THE PREMIER TO BE KEPT IN THE DARK BECAUSE MAYBE THEY SUSPECTED, MAYBE THEY QUESTIONED WHETHER HE WOULD DO THE RIGHT THING OR WHETHER HE WOULD PUT THE PARTY FIRST. I HAVE TO ASK THE PREMIER, HOW DOES THE PREMIER FEEL KNOWING THAT MEMBERS SURROUND HIM, HIS TEAM LOOKED THE OTHER WAY IN THE FACE OF SUCH OBVIOUS TRANSGRESSIONS AND LOOKED THE OTHER WAY IN THE FACE OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND LOOKED THE OTHER WAY IN THE FACE OF ALL NOVA NOVA SCOTIANS The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> I WANT TO TELL THE HONOURABLE MEMBER WHEN MEMBERS OF MY STAFF, MR. SPEAKER, WERE GIVEN EVIDENCE, MR. SPEAKER, THAT INDEED MEMBER FROM CHESTER ST. MARGARET’S, ALL PUBLIC. THE MEMBER HAS GONE, MR. SPEAKER PLED GUILTY TO THAT CHARGE. HE IS MAKING A HOST OF ALLEGATIONS WITH NO EVIDENCE. THE COURTS WILL DETERMINE, MR. SPEAKER, WHETHER OR NOT WHAT’S BEFORE THEM IS A CHARGE OR NOT THEY’LL DETERMINE THE GUILT OR EVIDENCE, MR. SPEAKER. AT THAT TIME, WHAT’S HAPPENED WHEN IT BECAME OBVIOUS TO US, MR SPEAKER, WE REACHED OUT TO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO MAKE SURE HE ACTUALLY WAS IN TREATMENT, MR SPEAKER. THAT’S WHERE HE IS TODAY. IT’S MY HOPE THAT HE, LIKE ALL NOVA SCOTIANS WHO SUFFER FROM THIS ADDICTION OR OTHERS, MR. SPEAKER, CONTINUE TO FIND THE TREATMENT AND SUPPORT TO BRING THEM BACK TO GOOD HEALTH [APPLAUSE] The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> THAT’S NICE WORDS, MR SPEAKER. THERE’S ONLY ONE PROBLEM. THE FACTS ARE IN THE WAY. 15 MONTHS TO DO THE RIGHT THING. 15 MONTHS THEY CHOSE TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY AND PROTECT THE LIBERAL BAND. IT SPEAKS TO LEADERSHIP. IT SPEAKS TO LEADERSHIP. AND THE STANDARDS SET WITHIN THE TEAM. THAT THE MEMBERS SURROUNDING THE PREMIER DIDN’T WANT HIM TO KNOW. THAT THE PREMIER COULDN’T BE MADE AWARE OF THIS SITUATION. THEY PROBABLY DIDN’T WANT TO KNOW HOW HE WOULD REACT. WE ALL KNOW TODAY HOW THE PREMIER REACTED TO THIS. CAN THE PREMIER TELL US HOW HE ACTUALLY FEELS KNOWING MEMBERS OF THE LIBERAL PARTY, MEMBERS OF THE CAUCUS STAFF PAID EMPLOYEES OF THE PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS INCIDENT AND THEY CHOSE TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY. IS THE PREMIER PROUD OF THAT? The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER >> MR. SPEAKER, AS I SAID, FOLLOW IN THE NEWS TODAY, MR SPEAKER, IT WAS DESCRIBED THIS WAS LOOKED INTO. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER HAS TABLED ZERO EVIDENCE

INTO THIS HOUSE. THE DOCUMENTS HE TABLED WERE ZERO EVIDENCE SO I CAN TELL YOU, MR. SPEAKER, WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE GOOD GOVERNMENT TO THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA. CONTINUE TO MOVE OUR PROVINCE FORD FORWARD THE HONOURABLE MEMBER CAN CONTINUE TO IMPUGN IF HE CHOOSES, THE REALITY IS WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE GOVERNMENT THE NOVA SCOTIANS ELECTED US TO DO The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> MR. SPEAKER, YOU HAVE TO SEE AND HEAR IT TO BELIEVE IT. IT’S INCREDIBLE. I’M REMINDED OF A TIME NOT TOO LONG AGO WHEN THE PREMIER HAS BEEN OPEN ABOUT ONE THING IN NOVA SCOTIA. THAT’S HE DOESN’T USE EMAIL. HE DOESN’T WANT ANYTHING PUT IN EMAIL. I REFER THE MEMBERS TO SEPTEMBER 29th, 2016 WHEN THE PREMIER SAID I VERY SELDOM EMAIL ANYONE. I PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL. THERE’S CERTAIN INFORMATION THAT I DISCUSS. I DO NOT BELIEVE SHOULD BE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE A PIECE OF PUBLIC POLICY MR. SPEAKER, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A DELIBERATE WORK AROUND TO AVOID THE PESKY RULES OF THIS RULES OF THIS PROVINCE. INSISTENCE HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE 2018 INCIDENT, IS IT FAIR TO ASSUME THE PREMIER’S POLICY OF NOT EMAILING IN ORDER TO AVOID FOIPOP AND PESKY NOVA SCOTIANS THAT WANT TO KNOW WHAT’S HAPPENING, AND THEIR PREMIER IS CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY IS IT FAIR TO ASSUME THE PREMIER’S POLICY HAS CONTINUED ON? The Speaker: I’LL ASK THE HONOURABLE MEMBER TO TABLE THE DOCUMENT THAT HE WAS QUOTING FROM PROVIDED IT HAS AN AUTHOR THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WANT TO THANK THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. IT GIVES ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO REMIND HIM IN 2013, WE WERE IN THE HOLE. YOUNG PEOPLE WERE LEAVING THE PROVINCE. SAW NO OPPORTUNITY FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH UNEMPLOYMENT WAS HIGH. YOUNG PEOPLE WERE SAYING NOT NOVA SCOTIA. I WANT TO REMIND HIM, THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, TABLED A FIFTH BALANCED BUDGET. YOUNG PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO OUR PROVINCE. WE SEE MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES. UNEMPLOYMENT IS AT AN ALL-TIME LOW. THOSE ARE POSITIVE THINGS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER WANTS TO STAND IN HIS PLACE AND IMPUGN THE REPUTATION OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE PROVINCE, WE’LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH NOVA SCOTIANS AND BUILD OPPORTUNITY AND HOPE IN THIS PROVINCE The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I’LL TABLE THAT. THE PAGE, I THOUGHT THE PREMIER MIGHT RECALL THAT TABLE THE NOTICE TO APPEAR OF THE CHARGES AGAINST HIS MEMBER THAT MEMBERS OF HIS TEAM KNEW ABOUT FOR 15 MONTHS WHILE THE PATTERN CONTINUED. THERE WAS A SECOND CHARGE. ALL THAT TIME PUBLIC SAFETY WAS ENGAGERRED PEOPLE EN- WAS ENGAGERRED. THE PRACTICE OF NOT KEEPING A RECORD OF THE PREMIER’S CONVERSATION LEAVES A LOT TO HIS MEMORY. AFTER ALL, YOU CAN’T PRODUCE AN EMAIL WITH SOMEONE WHO AVOIDS EMAIL. THE PREMIER IS BUSY. WE KNOW AN ENTIRE DISCUSSION OF THE DEFENCE STRATEGY IN THE ALTON GAYS, GAS, GOT THREE MEMBERS OF HIS TIME. VERY TALL MAN, MR. SPEAKER. IS THE PREMIER CONCERNED HIS LACK OF RECORD KEEPING MEANS NOVA SCOTIANS WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS EMAIL OR IS HE COUNTING ON THAT The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER >> NOVA SCOTIANS KNOW, WE TABLED OUR FIFTH BALANCED BUDGET YESTERDAY, MR. SPEAKER [APPLAUSE] >> WHAT NOVA SCOTIANS KNOW, CHILDREN SEE A FUTURE FOR THEMSELVES IN NOVA SCOTIA LIVING AND WORKING IN OUR PROVINCE. THE LARGEST SINGLE INVESTMENT IN HEALTH-CARE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE PROVINCE’S HISTORY. THAT’S WHAT NOVA SCOTIANS KNOW. NOVA SCOTIANS KNOW WILL BY WORKING TOGETHER WE CAN BUILD THE PROVINCE WE HOPE AND DREAM FOR OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN. THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A GOVERNMENT WORKING WITH THEM TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX NEEDHAM >> MY QUESTION IS FOR THE PREMIER. THERE ARE NOW MORE THAN 5,000 PEOPLE ON THE WAIT LIST FOR PUBLIC HOUSING REGIONAL HOUSING AUTHORITY STOPPED HOUSING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ON THE PRIORITY ACCESS LIST THIS GOVERNMENT HAS DOUBLED DOWN ON ALLOCATING RENT SUPPLEMENTS AS A SOLUTION BUT THEY ARE EASILY PASSED OVER BY LANDLORDS WHO HAVE DOZENS OF APPLICANTS FOR UNITS WITH CASH IN HAND READY TO MOVE IN IMMEDIATELY THE RESULT IS AN IMPENDING HOMELESSNESS CRISIS, MR SPEAKER, WHEN WILL THE PREMIER

ADMIT REPRESENT SUPPLEMENTS DO NOT WORK IN THIS SORT OF HOUSING MARKET? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF HOUSING NOVA SCOTIA >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR SPEAKER. THANK YOU THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. AT NO TIME HAVE WE SAID, INSIDE THIS CHAMBER OR OUTSIDE THIS CHAMBER, THERE ARE NOT CHALLENGES. THAT’S WHY WE HAVE MADE A SINGLE LARGEST INVESTMENT IN HOUSING IN THE RECENT BUDGET. $20.5 MILLION, MR. SPEAKER. WHICH IS A STRATEGY THAT MONEY WILL ALL GO INTO A STRATEGY, TO SEE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA, THAT ARE HOMELESS OR ON THE VERGE OF BEING HOMELESS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKED AFTER, MR. SPEAKER. WE ARE GOING TO HIRE 27 MORE HOUSING SUPPORT WORKERS THAT HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT. THERE’S A HISTORY THAT WILL SHOW YOU, MR SPEAKER, OVER 1200 PEOPLE HOUSED IN THE LAST YEAR OR MORE BY THE WORK THOSE HOUSING SUPPORT WORKERS DO. WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEM. AND THOSE LOOKING FOR HOUSING IN NOVA SCOTIA THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX NEEDHAM >> MR. SPEAKER, ONE REASON WHY WE NEED MORE HOUSING SUPPORT WORKERS IS BECAUSE IT IS TAKING DOUBLE AND TWICE AND THREE, FOUR TIMES AS LONG TO FIND A UNIT FOR SOMEBODY TO MOVE INTO WHO IS ALREADY CONNECTED WITH THE HOUSING SUPPORT WORKER. BECAUSE THERE ARE NO UNITS AVAILABLE THE GOVERNMENT HAS ANNOUNCED IT WILL BUILD A MERE 39 NEW HOUSING UNITS, NONE OF WHICH WILL BE OWNED OR OPERATED PUBLICLY. IN THE MEANTIME, IT WILL FUNNEL $10 MILLION TO PRIVATE LANDLORDS IN RENT SUPPLEMENTS, MEANWHILE, MONTREAL ANNOUNCED IT WILL EXERCISE ITS RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL TO ACQUIRE LAND TO BUILD SOCIAL HOUSING. AND MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING RESERVES. BUILDING NEW PURPOSE-BUILT RENTAL UNITS AND MORE. AND IN ALL OF THOSE CASES, STRONG PROVINCIAL PARTNERSHIPS ARE KEY. YET THIS GOVERNMENT INSISTS ON TRANSFERRING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS TO PRIVATE LANDLORDS INSTEAD OF INVESTING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MR SPEAKER, WHY DOES THIS GOVERNMENT INSIST ON PRIVATE MARKET FREE FOR ALLS INSTEAD OF MEANINGFUL SOLUTIONS TO THE HOMELESSNESS CRISIS? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF HOUSING NOVA SCOTIA >> MR. SPEAKER, I COULDN’T SPHREA MORE WITH THE HONOURABLE MEMBER AND HER THOUGHT AROUND WHAT RENT, PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS, PRIVATE CONTRACTORS, NOT-FOR-PROFITS, MR. SPEAKER. WE ARE WORKING WITH MANY MORE PARTNERS. – AGREE. THE FACT SHE DOESN’T SEE VALUE IN HOUSING SUPPORT WORKERS, MR. SPEAKER, IS TOO BAD. WHAT WE KNOW, THAT IS PROGRESS BEING MADE. THEY KNOW, MR. SPEAKER, WHERE THE VACANCIES ARE. THEY’RE ON THE GROUND HELPING THESE PEOPLE DIRECT BENEFIT TO THEM HELPING US GET THEM PLACED, MR. SPEAKER. EVERY DAY IN THIS PROVINCE THOSE FOLKS ARE WORKING HARD. WE’RE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE, THE FUNDS TO GO TOWARD AN ADDITIONAL 27 MORE TO HELP WITH THAT CASE LOAD THAT THAT MEMBER REFERRED TO The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I DON’T KNOW IF MANY NOVA SCOTIANS ARE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THINGS GENERALLY WORK IN POLITICAL OFFICES IN THIS PROVINCE. BUT HERE’S THE SHORTHAND. WHEN AN ISSUE COMES FORWARD IN A CAUCUS OFFICE, OR PARTICULARLY IF IT’S WITH A MEMBER, THAT ISSUE WOULD RISE TO THE ATTENTION OF ANY ONE OF THREE PEOPLE. OFTEN TIMES ALL THREE. THOSE THREE PEOPLE ARE THE CAUCUS CHAIR, THE CHIEF OF STAFF, AND THE PREMIER. THE PREMIER IS OBVIOUSLY THE LEADER OF THE LIBERAL PARTY. THE LEADER OF THE LIBERAL CAUCUS THE OBLIGATION IS ON THE PREMIER TO HAVE PEOPLE AROUND HIM WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT INFORMATION HE NEEDS TO KNOW AND WHAT INFORMATION HE DOESN’T NEED TO KNOW. OR THEY DON’T WANT HIM TO KNOW. SINCE THE PREMIER SUGGESTED HE WASN’T AWARE, LOGIC DEMANDS EITHER THE CAUCUS CHAIR OR THE CHIEF OF STAFF KNEW ABOUT THIS EMAIL. KNEW ABOUT THIS INCIDENT. CAN THE PREMIER CONFIRM WHICH OF THE CAUCUS CHAIR OR CHIEF OF STAFF WERE AWARE The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> MR. SPEAKER, I WANT TO TELL THE HONOURABLE MEMBER THE RIDING PRESIDENT RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION. THE RIDING PRESIDENT DID THE INVESTIGATION, MR. SPEAKER. DIDN’T SEE ANY EVIDENCE. AND DID NOT ESCALATE THAT TO THE PREMIER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> IF ONLY IT WAS THAT SIMPLE MORE PEOPLE THAN THE RIDING PRESIDENT RECEIVED THE EMAIL ACTUAL PAID MEMBER OF THE LIBERAL CAUCUS STAFF RECEIVED IT, AS WELL. SO DID ANOTHER PROVINCIAL EMPLOYEE. AND A MATTER THIS ISSUE, THIS SERIOUS THE PREMIER SAID HIMSELF YESTERDAY. ANYTHING THIS SERIOUS SHOULD BE TAKEN TO THE POLICE. I HAVEN’T HEARD THE PREMIER CONFIRM THAT HAPPENED THERE ARE REAL SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH HOW THIS WAS HANDLED WHICH IS EVIDENCED BY THE COURT CHARGE AFTERWARDS. THE PUBLIC SAFETY WAS PUT AT RISK THE ENTIRE TIME THE LIBERAL BRAND WAS PUT FIRST THE PREMIER CONTINUES TO SUGGEST THAT HE WAS UNAWARE. EVERYONE

ELSE WAS UNAWARE. LEARNING ABOUT THIS SITUATION LAST NIGHT, HE WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY GONE TO HIS CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE CAUCUS CHAIR, THEN CAUCUS CHAIR TO ASK WHAT THEY KNEW AND WHEN IT’S THE LOGICAL NEXT STEP NATURAL NEXT STEP. WE KNOW THIS EMAIL WAS IN THE HANDS OF POLITICAL STAFF. SO IT MUST HAVE MADE ITS WAY TO ONE OF THE THREE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE IDENTIFIED. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PREMIER, IS THE PREMIER COMFORTABLE WITH THE CULTURE THAT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN CREATED WITHIN THE LIBERAL CAUCUS AND PARTY WHERE THEY PROTECT THE LIBERAL BRAND ABOVE THE SAFETY OF NOVA SCOTIANS? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> MR. SPEAKER, I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THE ACCUSATION AND THE ALLEGATION IN THE QUESTION, MR. SPEAKER. THE REALITY IS THE HONOURABLE MEMBER HAS NO EVIDENCE. NO EVIDENCE SINGLE CRIME HAD BEEN COMMITTED. ZERO AS I SAID TO HIM, FORMER RIDING PRESIDENT LOOKED AT THAT. HAD NO EVIDENCE. WHAT DO THEY DO WITH IT, MR. SPEAKER? IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE, MR. SPEAKER, AND THE AUTHOR OF THIS LETTER HAD EVIDENCE, THAT AUTHOR OF THAT LETTER SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE POLICE, MR. SPEAKER. IF THE HONOURABLE MEMBER HAS BEEN SITTING ON THIS LETTER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, WHY DIDN’T HE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? OR WAS IT BECAUSE HE NEEDED TO HAVE A POLITICAL CIRCUS FOR HIMSELF? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> POLITICAL CIRCUS HAPPENING, MR. SPEAKER, INDEED. HE ASKED ME THE QUESTION. I ANSWERED. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AN ANSWER FROM THE PREMIER ON SOME OF THESE VERY SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS ALLEGATIONS THAT THE POLICE HAVE SINCE ACTED UPON LAYING CHARGES I KNOW THE PREMIER IS NOT ALWAYS THAT RESPECTFUL OF OUR JUDICIARY The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE LIKE TO REMIND THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION TO – INDICATE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THIS HOUSE IS – QUESTIONABLE INTEGRITY IS UNPARLIAMENTARY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO RETRACT THAT STATEMENT. HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> MR. SPEAKER, I REFERRED TO THE MANNER IN WHICH THE PREMIER VIEWS THE JUDICIARY. I DID NOT REFER TO ANYTHING ABOUT THE PREMIER. AND AS EVIDENCE I WOULD PRESENT THE MINISTER OF JUSTICE CALLED OUR CROWN ATTORNEY’S ARE GREEDY. THE MINISTER OF JUSTICE DISREGARDED A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE JUDGES The Speaker: IS THE HONOURABLE MEMBER GOING TO RETRACT THE STATEMENT? >> WHICH STATEMENT, MR. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE PREMIER IS DISRESPECTFUL OF THE JUDICIARY >> I’LL RETRACT THAT STATEMENT, MR. SPEAKER The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> MR SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT, THE LIBERAL CAUCUS CHAIR HAS BEEN THE FOREFRONT OF THE GOVERNMENT EFFORTS ON THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE. HE USED THE LIBERAL MAJORITY OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE TO SLASH THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS TO NARROW THE MANDATE OF THAT ONCE POWERFUL COMMITTEE AND IT WAS DONE SO THE GOVERNMENT COULD AVOID WEEKLY TELEVISED ACCOUNTABILITY SESSIONS. NOW IT’S POSSIBLE THAT THE LIBERAL CAUCUS CHAIR HAS FOUND A NEW WAY TO SAVE FACE FOR THE GOVERNMENT. QUESTION FOR THE MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT IN HIS CAPACITY AS LIBERAL CAUCUS CHAIR. WHEN DID HE FIRST BECOME AWARE OF THE EMAIL THAT THAT IS THE DISCUSSION IN THE HOUSE? The Speaker: HONOURABLE MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I’M THE NEXT ONE THAT WILL HAVE MY REPUTATION TRIED TO BE IMPUGNED HERE. I CERTAINLY THINK I CAN LOOK ACROSS THE FLOOR AND LOOK INTO THE EYES OF EVERYBODY OVER THERE. AND STAND BY WHAT I SAY HERE. I BELIEVE IT WAS ACTUALLY HERE IN THE HOUSE YESTERDAY WHEN I FIRST HEARD OF THIS The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> THIS IS VERY INTERESTING, MR SPEAKER. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE SITUATION THAT HAPPENED IN THEIR PARTY. EVERYONE ELSE IS TO BLAME, MR. SPEAKER. THERE’S A DEMONSTRATED CULTURE ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THAT CULTURE IS LIBERAL FIRST, NOVA SCOTIANS IF WE CAN. AND THE CULTURE OVER THERE IS THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS AS LONG AS THE LIBERALS ARE HOLDING ON TO POWER, MR. SPEAKER. IT STARTS FROM THE TOP AND IT RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION TO THE VOLUNTEERS, RIGHT THROUGH LIBERAL FIRST. NOVA SCOTIA IF WE CAN. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT A PAID MEMBER OF THE LIBERAL CAUCUS WOULD RECEIVE AN EMAIL WITH THESE TYPES OF ALLEGATIONS AND IT NOT BE ESCALATED TO THE LIBERAL CAUCUS CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE – I WOULD LIKE THE LIBERAL CAUCUS CHAIR TO CONFIRM FOR THE MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE THAT HE

DID NOT RECEIVE THIS EMAIL AND PUT THE LIBERAL BRAND BEFORE THE SAFETY OF NOVA SCOTIANS The Speaker: OK. IT’S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY THE CLERK THAT QUESTIONS OF CAUCUS CHAIRS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN QUESTION PERIOD AS SET OUT BY BOTH SHANE, QUESTIONS IN QUESTION PERIOD ARE TO BE DIRECTED TO MINISTERS ON THEIR PORTFOLIO. OR SOMETHING WITHIN THEIR RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR DEPARTMENT. – WE’LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND SOUTH >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MY QUESTION IS FOR THE MINISTER OF LANDS AND FORESTRY. LET’S CHANGE THIS UP. JOINED THE STANDING COMMITTEE. I WOULDN’T BE PROUD OF THAT. RECENTLY JOINING THE STANDING COMMITTEE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE TRANSITION TEAM ATTENDED THE MEETING. THERE WERE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. THE INDUSTRY IS IN A NERVOUS STATE ABOUT THE FUTURE. MY QUESTION FOR THE MINISTER. DOES HE HAVE ANY STATISTICS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE RECEIVED ASSISTANCE BY THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS, THE TRANSITION TEAM? The Speaker: HONOURABLE MINISTER OF LANDS AND FORESTRY >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I BELIEVE THAT COMMITTEE DID PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL MEMBERS IN THAT COMMITTEE TO ASK QUESTIONS. THERE WERE LOTS OF ANSWERS GIVEN BY THE STAFF THAT ARE ON THE TRANSITION COMMITTEE BOTH THE DEPUTY LANDS AND FORESTRY. DEPUTY OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS THERE ARE A MILES AN HOUR YAID MYRIAD OF PROGRAMS ANNOUNCED. THE TRANSITION TEAM HAS MET EIGHT TIMES, ALREADY, MR. SPEAKER. THERE ARE UPTAKE FROM THE PROGRAMS. THEY’LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON INTRODUCING MORE PROGRAMS. I WANT TO REMIND THE MEMBER THAT THOSE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN ENDORSED AND SUPPORTED BY INDUSTRY. BY THOSE INDUSTRY REPS THAT SIT AT THE TABLE HELP WUT THOSE TOGETHER, THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND SOUTH >> THANK YOU. I THANK THE MINISTER FOR THE RESPONSE. THE TRANSITION TEAM WAS REPRESENTED BY TWO MEMBERS OF THE FORMER DEPUTY MINISTER’S GROUP ANNOUNCED LAST YEAR ON THIS FLOOR. THE MINISTER STATED ESTIMATES LAST MARCH. HAS THE MINISTER BEEN GIVING A FULL BRIEF AND THE CURRENT TRANSITION TEAM? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF LANDS AND FORESTRY >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. AS I DID SAY AT THAT TIME WE WOULD BE PREPARED FOR MY OUTCOME, DEPUTY MINISTERS MEET REGULAR LRVTION LY. I KIN TO BE BRIEFED ON ACTIVITY PRIOR TO THE DECISION MADE BY A COMPANY TO GO IN HIBERNATION. I CONTINUE TO GET UPDATES FROM MY DEPUTY. WE DID KNOW THE IMPACTS THAT WOULD ARISE WHEN 95% OF THE MATERIAL FROM SAWMILLS AND WOODLOT OWNERS. WE MOU NUMBERS – WE KNEW NUMBERS. WE WERE PREPARED WITH ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT ANY INITIATIVES THAT WOULD COME FROM THAT TRANSITION TEAM. THAT’S WHAT WE CONTINUE TO DO. AND I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS THAT WORK WITH OUR GROUP AND WITH THE TRANSITION TEAM FROM THE INDUSTRY AND WE’LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM. THANK YOU, MR SPEAKER The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND SOUTH >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER THANK THE MINISTER FOR HIS RESPONSE. MR. SPEAKER, THE DAVIDSON GREENWOOD REPORT LAST YEAR SUGGESTED DESIGNATED PERSON WAS TO BECOME A PRIMARY CONTACT PERSON. LAST YEAR DURING THE SITTING I ASKED THE MINISTER PLEASE INFORM THE HOUSE WHO THE DESIGNATED STAFF PERSON WAS ASSIGNED. HIS RESPONSE HE WOULD GIVE ME THAT INFORMATION RIGHT AWAY. MY QUESTION FOR THE MINISTER, WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG TO FIND OUT WHO THAT PERSON WAS? The Speaker: HONOURABLE MINISTER OF LANDS AND FORESTRY >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I DON’T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE STAFF MEMBER WAS HIRED. USUAL PROCESS TO HIRE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. I BELIEVE THEY WERE HIRED IN JANUARY. THEY CONTINUE TO WORK. THEY WERE AT THE MEETING WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE LAHEY REPORT RECOMMENDATION CAME OUT OF THE COMMUNICATIONS RECOMMENDATION AND WE’RE FOLLOWING THAT RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND SOUTH >> MR. SPEAKER, I JUST HEARD THE MINISTER SAY THAT THE PERSON WAS HIRED IN JANUARY. WE ASKED BACK IN OCTOBER AND I’LL TABLE THIS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE HOUSE WHEN I ASKED THE MINISTER SAID WE HAVE A DESIGNATED PERSON I’LL GET THAT CONTACT PERSON

THAT WAS OCTOBER 30th. I’LL TABLE THAT. WHEN WE ASKED AGAIN IN NOVEMBER TO THE MINISTER’S ASSISTANT, WE WILL GET THAT NAME PASSED ON RIGHT AWAY. WHEN WE GOT RESPONSE FROM THE MINISTER’S ASSISTANT, JANUARY 17th, THEY STATED THAT PERSON HAD JUST BEEN HIRED A WEEK AGO. I’M WONDERING, WHY DID THE MINISTER NOT FIND OUT UNTIL JANUARY THAT POSITION WAS NOT FILLED? The Speaker: HONOURABLE MINISTER OF LANDS AND FORESTRY >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I’M NOT SURE WHERE THE MEMBER IS GOING. WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE DNG COMMUNICATIONS REPORT. ONCE WE MADE THAT DECISION, IT WENT THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCESS THAT GOVERNMENT GOES THROUGH IN TERMS OF COMPETITION FOR POSITIONS SINCE THEN, THAT POSITION HAS BEEN FILLED. THANK YOU, MR SPEAKER The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DORT MAUTH DARTMOUTH NORTH >> MY QUESTION POT FOR THE PREMIER THE DISABILITIES PROGRAM WAS ACCEPTED BY THIS GOVERNMENT IN 2013. ADVOCATES FOR COMMUNITY LIVING OPTIONS HAVE BEEN FRAWCTED BY THE – HAVE BEEN FRUSTRATED THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN INAPPROPRIATELY HOUSED IN INSTITUTIONS FOR MANY YEARS MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PREMIER TO EXPLAIN WHY S YEARS INTO A TEN YEAR IMPLEMENTATION HIS GOVERNMENT IS BEGINNING TO MOVE INDIVIDUALS INTO APPROPRIATE ACCESSIBLE HOUSING The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WE HAVE BEEN MOVING PEOPLE – INTO INDEPENDENT LIVING ACROSS THE PROVINCE. NOT ONLY MY CONSTITUENCY. MANY I KNOW PERSONALLY, MR. SPEAKER FRIENDS OF MINE WHO HAVE MOVED INTO GROUP HOME AND MOVED OUT INTO INDEPENDENT LIVING. WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS ACROSS THE PROVINCE AS SHE WOULD KNOW, SOME CLIENTS WE HAVE. SOME RESIDENTS WE HAVE REQUIRE MORE SUPPORTS. THAT’S WHY THIS THIS BUDGET THE MINISTER HAS MADE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE SUPPORTS SO THOSE WHO REQUIRE MEDICAL AND OTHER SUPPORTS IN THE FLEX PROGRAM WILL HAVE MORE OPTIONS TO MOVE TO INDEPENDENT LIVING, MR SPEAKER The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH NORTH >> MR. SPEAKER, THERE ARE 1560 PEOPLE ON THE DISABILITY SUPPORTS PROGRAM WAIT LIST. THE WAIT LIST FOR COMMUNITY-BASED RESIDENTIAL SUPPORTS AND SERVICES HAS INCREASED BY 50% INVESTMENTS IN THE FLEX PROGRAM ARE A BAND-AID THAT MAY WORK FOR SOME.ING.ING IN NOTHING MR. SPEAKER, CAN THE PREMIER EXPLAIN HOW HE PLANS TO MEET THE COMMITMENT HE MADE IN 2013 TO THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ON THE WAIT LIST AND THEIR FAMILIES? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> MR. SPEAKER, SUGGESTING SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN OUR CARE DON’T DESERVE TO LIVE INDEPENDENTLY THROUGH THE FLEX PROGRAM WHICH WORKED FOR THOSE FAMILIES IS FOR THE APPROPRIATE, MR. SPEAKER. THE REALITY IS FOR THOSE FAMILIES AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT STEP TO MOVE TO INDEPENDENCE. WE HAVE CONTINUED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, CONTINUED TO MOVE PEOPLE TO INDEPENDENT LIVING WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS TO ENSURE, MR SPEAKER, THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE ALL THOSE NOVA SCOTIANS WHO WANT TO LIVE INDEPENDENTLY CAN. I WANT TO TELL THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. THERE ARE CERTAIN NOVA SCOTIANS WHO WANT TO REMAIN IN THEIR CURRENT HOUSING SITUATION. DON’T TAKE PEOPLE FROM WHERE THEY’RE CURRENTLY LIVING IF THEY WANT TO CHOOSE TO LIVE THERE The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR NORTHSIDE WEST MOUNT >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER YESTERDAY THE MINISTER OF FINANCE TABLED HER BUDGET. SHE AND HER GOVERNMENT HAVE BEEN CLAIMING THEY ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE ECONOMY. ALL THE WHILE BENEFITING FROM THE OPPOSITE ACCORDING TO THE BUDGET, THE PROVINCE WILL RECEIVE ALMOST 400 MILLION MORE IN TRANSFERS FROM OTTAWA TO FUND THEIR SPENDING. THIS IS BECAUSE OUR ECONOMY IS FALLING BEHIND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. MY QUESTION TO THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, WILL SHE ACKNOWLEDGE THE INCREASE IN FEDERAL TRANSFERS IS IN PART DUE TO NOVA SCOTIA’S LAGGING ECONOMY? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF FINANCE >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. AND TO THE MEMBER’S QUESTION ABOUT FEDERAL SUPPORT. EQUALIZATION, MR. SPEAKER IS A WAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS USED OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK FROM THE 90s TO HELP THOSE PROVINCES THAT MAY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE BASED ON THEIR ABILITY TO EITHER RAISE TAXES OR PAY FOR GOODS AND SERVICES AND PAY FOR PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. EQUALIZATION IS NOT NEW. EVERY PROVINCE IN THIS COUNTRY HAS BENEFITTED AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER FROM EQUALIZATION. WE ARE CURRENTLY ONE OF THOSE FIVE THAT DO. AND WE WILL INVEST THAT MONEYWISELY IN THIS PROVINCE The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR NORTHSIDE WESTMOUNT

>> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MR SPEAKER, SPENDING IS EASY WHEN IT’S OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY. THIS GOVERNMENT MAY NOT RUN DEFICITS BUT THEY BENEFIT FROM THE DEFICITS OF THEIR FEDERAL COUSINS. REVENUE FROM PROVINCIAL SOURCES ARE BUDGETED TO GO UP, DOWN, WHILE REVENUE FROM FEDERAL SOURCES ARE BUDGETED TO GO UP. IT IS SHORT SIGHTED. SPENDING MONEY YOU HAVEN’T MADE YET. IT IS A BUDGET BUILT ON DECISIONS THAT ARE OUT OF THIS MINISTER’S CONTROL. MY QUESTION FOR THE MINISTER WHY ARE WE BECOMING INCREASINGLY MORE DEPENDENT ON TRANSFER PAYMENTS IN THE CHARITY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> I WANT TO THANK ALL NOVA SCOTIANS FOR THE TREMENDOUS WORK THEY HAVE BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, MR. SPEAKER, TO MOVE THIS PROVINCE TO FISCAL HEALTH. NET GDP CONTINUES TO DECLINE TO 34 NOW. I WANT TO THANK ALL MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE, MR. SPEAKER. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER DOESN’T BELIEVE IN THE PROGRAMS NOVA SCOTIA, WHICH ONES DOES HE WANT US TO CUT? CANCEL PRE PRIMARY? DOES HE NOT WANT THE NEW HEALTH-CARE FACILITY, MR. SPEAKER? NOT WANT THAT THE INVESTMENT $2 BILLION INVESTED. NOT WANT THE TWINNING OF THE HIGHWAYS. WHY IS WHA WHAT IS IT THEY DON’T WANT US TO DO, MR SPEAKER? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> WE’RE IN FAVOUR OF SAFE HIGHWAYS, MR. SPEAKER. WE LIKE SAFE HIGHWAYS. MR. SPEAKER, YESTERDAY THE PREMIER WAS ADAMANT ANYONE WHO RECEIVES AN EMAIL WITH THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION SHOULD GO TO THE POLICE. NOW WE KNOW THAT THE LIBERAL PARTY RECEIVED THIS EMAIL. THEY DID THEIR OWN INVESTIGATION. AND DETERMINED IT FRIVOLOUS. RIDING PRESIDENT INVESTIGATED BY GOING TO THE PERSON, BY GOING TO THE MEMBER WHO WAS TRYING TO HIDE THE ISSUE. THE EMAIL LITERALLY SAID IN THE EMAIL THAT THE MEMBER WAS TRYING TO HIDE IT. SO HOW IS IT OK IN THE PREMIER’S MIND THAT THE RECIPIENT OF THAT EMAIL WHO KNOWS SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING, GOES TO THEM AND SAYS, ARE YOU REALLY TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING? IS THE PREMIER SATISFIED. HAS HE CHANGED HIS MIND PEOPLE SHOULDN’T GO TO THE POLICE AND DO THEIR OWN FRIVOLOUS DISCUSSION WITH SOMEBODY? The Speaker: TWO THINGS THERE. THE TERMINOLOGY HIDE IS UNPARLIAMENTARY IN THIS CHAMBER AGAIN, YOU’RE QUOTING FROM AN EMAIL THAT IS NOT TABLED. SO I ASK THE MEMBER TO BE CAREFUL IN HIS FUTURE PHRASING OF QUESTIONS. THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THE AUTHOR OF SAID EMAIL IS THE PERSON WITH THE EVIDENCE ACCORDING TO THE HONOURABLE MEMBER. NO ONE IN THIS CAUSE CAN MAKE AN ACCUSATION WITHOUT EVIDENCE. THAT’S THE REALITY UNLESS YOU’RE THE LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> IT’S INTERESTING THE WORDS NO LONGER COMFORTABLE THAT THE LIBERALS ARE NO LONGER COMFORTABLE WITH. DIRECTLY FROM THE MEDIA STORIES. DIRECTLY FROM THE FACTS. THE REALITY IS, THIS INFORMATION WAS VERY TELLING. IT WAS INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN SERIOUSLY. AUGHT TO HAVE TAKEN SERIOUS. FOR PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THEIR COLLEAGUES WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT SERIOUS. PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF NOVA SCOTIANS ON OUR ROADS WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT SERIOUSLY. WE CAN’T DENY THE FACT LIBERAL PAID STAFFERS KNEW WE CAN’T DENY THE FACT COLLEAGUES KNEW. WE CAN’T DENY THE FACT THEY ALL TURNED THE OTHER WAY AND LOOKED AWAY IN THE INTEREST OF PROTECTING THE LIBERAL BRAND IN THE INTEREST OF POLITICAL EXPENDENTCY. THAT, MR. SPEAKER IN MY VIEW IS WRONG I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PREMIER IF THAT’S WRONG IN THE PREMIER’S VIEW The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE PREMIER >> MR. SPEAKER, PREAMBLE THERE WAS MISINFORMATION. IT WASN’T ACCURATE, TRUE. REATS – THAT’S THE REALITY. THE RIDING PRESIDENT DEALT WITH THAT. THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE. THERE’S STILL NO EVIDENCE PRESENTED FOR THIS HOUSE BY THE HONOURABLE MEMBER THAT COULD GO TO PROVE ANY OF THE ALLEGATIONS IN THE LETTER THE REALITY IS, MR. SPEAKER, THE PRIVATE MEMBER NOW IS BEFORE THE COURT. THEY’LL DETERMINE MR SPEAKER WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON RICHMOND >> MR. SPEAKER, NOVA SCOTIANS ARE GOING TO THE POLLS MORE OFTEN THAN NECESSARY CREATING ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL BURDEN ON TAXPAYERS. LAST 11 GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN MAJORITY GOVERNMENTS

AND CALLED AN ELECTION BEFORE THE LAST FOURTH YEAR IN POWER OVER $9 MILLION The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE TIME ALLOTTED FOR ORAL QUESTIONS PUT BY MEMBERS TO MINISTERS HAS EXPIRED. JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION TO TABLE THE DOCUMENT THAT HE COMMITTED TO TABLE EARLIER. THE EMAIL YOU READ The Speaker: QUOTING SOMETHING FROM THE PREMIER The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I BELIEVE YOU’RE REFERRING TO THE NOTICE TO APPEAR. THIS IS THE LEGAL DOCUMENT CONFIRMING CRIMINAL CHARGES The Speaker: YOU SAID YOU WOULD TABLE THE DOCUMENT >> COULD YOU CONFIRM YOU’RE LOOKING FOR THE DOCUMENT THAT CONFIRMED THE LEGAL CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST THE MEMBER? The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE The Speaker: YOU ARE CORRECT. YOU COMMITTED TO TABLE THE NOTICE TO APPEAR HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION The Speaker: MR >> I COMMITTED TO TABLE TWO THINGS. ONE A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE THAT QUOTED THE PREMIER SAYING HE DOES NOT USE EMAIL BECAUSE HE DIDN’T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT HE WAS SAYING. I HAVE TABLED THAT. SECOND DOCUMENT IS AN ACTUAL LEGAL DOCUMENT CRIMINAL CHARGES EVIDENCE OF THE SITUATION THAT OCCURRED The Speaker: NOTICE TO APPEAR. THAT’S IT. WE’LL NOW MOVE ON TO OPPOSITION BUSINESS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OPPOSITION BUSINESS, THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON RICHMOND >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MR SPEAKER, I WANT TO RISE. I’M NOT SURE IF I’M DOING THIS CORRECTLY. ON A POINT OF PRIVILEGE, WE ALL HAVE THE PRIVILEGE IN THIS HOUSE TO REPRESENT OUR MEMBERS. AND I KNOW WE HAVE AN ALLOTTED AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO SO. I WOULD ASK IF PLEASE WE COULD ALL BE COGNISANT AND YOU, MR. SPEAKER, OBVIOUSLY BEING THE CHAIR COULD BE COGNISANT OF AMOUNT OF TIME BEING PERMITTED TO SOME MEMBERS AS OPPOSED TO OTHERS. I DIDN’T GET A CHANCE TO ASK MY QUESTION TODAY. MY CONSTITUENTS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS EVERYBODY ELSE’S IN THIS HOUSE. I APPRECIATE WE COULD ADHERE TO TIME LINES WITH MORE DILIGENCE, MR. SPEAKER The Speaker: I WILL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT. WE’LL MOVE TO OPPOSITION BUSINESS >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. CALL RESOLUTION NUMBER 1661 WHICH CALLS IN THE GOVERNMENT TO STRIKE A FORESTRY COMMITTEE FOR DEBATE The Speaker: WE’LL CALL RESOLUTION NUMBER 1661. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR QUEENS SHELBURNE >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I’M HAPPY TO RISE TO SPEAK TO RESOLUTION 1661 PUT FORTH BY THE P.C. CAUCUS. A RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH A SELECT COMMITTEE ON FORESTRY. MR. SPEAKER, AS LEGISLATORS, IT IS IMPERATIVE WE FORM THIS COMMITTEE TO TRAVEL THE PROVINCE AND LISTEN TO THE FORESTRY WORKERS. MR. SPEAKER, ON DECEMBER 20th, FORESTRY SECTOR WAS THROWN INTO TURMOIL BY THE DECISION OF THE PREMIER OF OUR PROVINCE WHEN WHEN HE READ FROM A STATEMENT HE WOULD NOT EXTEND, DESPITE THE COMPANY AND FORESTRY ADVOCATES CALLING FOR AN EXTENSION. THIS WOULD PUT AN IMPORTANT PLAYER IN THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY AS A STAND STILL AND RESULT IN CLOSURE AND AFTER A YEAR OF QUESTIONS PUT FORTH BY TERRIFIED INDUSTRY, MEETING AFTER MEETING AND BEING REASSURED NOT TO WORRY, IT WAS GOING TO BE ALL OK. HARD WORKING MEN AND WOMEN WERE FORCED FOUR DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS TO SHARE EMOTIONAL AND FINANCIAL ANXIETY WITH THEIR FAMILIES. THINK ABOUT THAT, MR SPEAKER. MOST WERE PLANNING HOLIDAYS, GATHERINGS AND ENJOYING CELEBRATIONS WITH FAMILIES, THOUSANDS OF NOVA SCOTIANS WHO WORK IN OUR FORESTRY INDUSTRY WERE CONSUMED WITH COMPLETE ANXIETY AND UNCERTAINTY FOR THEIR FUTURE MORE THAN 90% OF THE SAWMILL CHIPS AND BARK AS WELL AS MORE THAN 50% OF THE PULP WOOD HARVESTED IN THIS PROVINCE NORTHERN PULP ALSO FINANCED, COORDINATED, HARVESTED AND DELIVERED OVER ONE-THIRD OF THE PROVINCE’S ANNUAL TIMBER SUPPLY WITH THAT ANNOUNCEMENT ON DECEMBER 20th, IT CHANGED EVERYTHING. IT CHANGED THE LIVES OF 11,000 FORESTRY WORKERS AND THEIR FAMILIES. AND 30,000 WOODLOT OWNERS ACROSS OUR PROVINCE. THE RESULT OF THIS DECISION IS DEVASTATING FOR RURAL NOVA SCOTIA. AS AS A

MATTER OF FACT, MR. SPEAKER, I BELIEVE THE RESULT OF THIS DECISION IS GOING TO BE CATASTROPHIC FOR OUR PROVINCE – I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE IN THIS HOUSE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, IT IS THE GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSIBILITY TO CONSIDER THE RAMIFICATIONS OF ITS DECISIONS BUT YET, MR. SPEAKER, WE SADLY HEARD STANDING COMMITTEE RECENTLY MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNMENT’S FORESTRY TRANSITION TEAM HAVE ADMITTED PUBLICLY THAT THEY’RE STILL COMING TO GRIPS WITH THE IMPACTS, CLOSURE OF NORTHERN PULP WILL HAVE ON FAMILIES, AND CONCEDE THEY DO NOT KNOW THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT MAY LOSE THEIR JOBS. MR SPEAKER, I FIND THIS DEEPLY DISTURBING. AND CONCERNING. I STOOD IN THIS HOUSE BACK IN APRIL OF 2019 AND STATED IT WAS BIGGER THAN THE 300 JOBS THAT WAS AT NORTHERN PULP. AND ASKED THIS GOVERNMENT TO TAKE THE FUTURE OF FORESTRY SERIOUSLY AND PLAN FOR ALL POTENTIAL OUTCOMES OUR CAUCUS INTRODUCED A BILL ENTITLED THE FOREST INDUSTRY SUSTAINABILITY ACT. WE ASKED THE GOVERNMENT IF THEY UNDERSTOOD THE IMPACTS AND IF THEY HAD CONSULTED WITH INDUSTRY. THE PREMIER AND THE MINISTER OF BUSINESS LED US TO BELIEVE THAT WORK WAS ALREADY UNDERWAY TO UNDERSTAND AND PROTECT OUR FOREST INDUSTRY BUT, MR. SPEAKER, WE NEVER HEARD FROM THAT COMMITTEE. A GROUP OF POWERFUL DEPUTY MINISTERS AND HERE WE ARE TODAY WITH MEMBERS OF A TRANSITION TEAM NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE ON FAMILIES OR OUR PROVINCE LET ME SAY IT AGAIN, MR SPEAKER, IT IS IMPERATIVE OF GOVERNMENT TO UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF ITS DECISIONS AND TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY ACTUALLY, MR. SPEAKER, I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF US AS MLAs, WE MAKE DECISIONS HAVE A LARGE IMPACT ON THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT. AND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THOSE DECISIONS MR. SPEAKER, IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO CAUSE CHAOS AND LEAVE IT TO NON ELECTED PEOPLE TO FIX. IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE STABILITY AND SUPPORT. NOVA SCOTIA FORESTRY IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST BUSINESSES IN RURAL NOVA SCOTIA AND IN MY CONSTITUENCY, ONE OF THE LARGEST EMPLOYERS WE HAVE LARGE AND SMALL SAWMILLS, TRUCKERS, ROAD BUILDERS, EQUIPMENT SAILSMEN, TRUCK REPAIR SHOPS, WOODLOT OWNERS AND SMALL STORES IN RURAL COMMUNITIES THAT RELY ON THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY. THESE MEN AND WOMEN FACING SUCH UNCERTAIN TIME EDUCATION SALESMEN UNCERTAIN TIME AND FUTURE DESERVE TO BE HEARD BY THE MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY WHO PASSED A LAW THAT CLOSED BOAT HARBOUR CANCELLING A CONTRACT TEN YEARS EARLIER. IT SHOULD BE THEM LISTENING TO THESE AFFECTED FAMILIES. IT IS THOSE HARD WORKING MEN AND WOMEN WHO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THE PATH FORWARD AND MLAs SHOULD FEEL AN OBLIGATION TO LOOK PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEIR LIVELIHOODED IN THE FOREST IN THE EYE. LISTEN TO THEIR STORIES. CONSIDER THEIR SUGGESTIONS. VALUE THEIR EXPERTISE AND WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE A LIVE IN NOVA SCOTIA. IT IS INNOCENT HONOURABLE HONOURABLE HARD WORKING MEN AND WOMEN AND MAKE A MODEST LIVING FOR THEIR FAMILIES IN OUR PROVINCE. THAT CREATE WEALTH FOR OUR PROVINCE, NOW FACING TREMENDOUS HARDSHIP BECAUSE OF A DECISION OF GOVERNMENT. AND A SATISFACTORY ALTERNATE PLAN. YESTERDAY IN THE BUDGET, WE HEARD THAT THE CLOSURE OF NORTHERN PULP IS GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE PROVINCE’S BUDGET IMAGINE WHAT THE CLOSURE WILL DO TO THE BUDGET OF A FAMILY THAT RELIED ON IT TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE. IMAGINE WHAT THIS CLOSURE IS GOING TO DO FOR LANDOWNERS WHO LOST 50% OF THEIR VALUE OF TIMBER OVER NIGHT. THE LANDOWNER BANKING ON THE MONEY TO PAY FOR EDUCATION, EDUCATION, FOR MEDICAL BILLS, GRAVELY SICK MEMBER OF THEIR FAMILY. IT MAY BE OK FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO BACK AWAY FROM HARVESTING AND WAIT AND SEE HOW THIS ALL LOOKS OUT IN THE FUTURE. BUT MILLS ALSO NEED WOOD TO SUPPLY OR THEY SHUT DOWN WHICH CAUSES MORE LAYOFFS IMAGINE WHAT THIS CLOSURE MEANS TO CONTRACTORS WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE THEIR PAYMENTS ON EQUIPMENT. MEET PAYROLL. BASED ON THE STUDY OF 2016, THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC IMPACT OF ELIMINATING 50% OF THE TOTAL HARVEST IN NOVA SCOTIA IS HUGE IT WOULD BE IN THE ORDER OF 500 MILLION PER YEAR AND LOST

GDP AND DIRECT JOB LOSSES IN THE ORDER OF 600 IN HARVESTING TRUCKING AND LOADS ONLY. MILL CLOSURES WILL BE IN ADDITION THESE WILL CHANGE AS THE SUPPLY CHAIN CONTINUES TO ADJUST AND FOLLOWING THE ROAD CLOSURES THE REALITY OF ALL OF THIS WILL SINK IN OVER THE REMAIN BANGLADESH OF THE YEAR AND LONGER. — REMAINDER OF THE YEAR AND LONGER. WHEN NOVA SCOTIA POWER STARTS TAKING BUYO MASS IN MY CONSTITUENCY. THE IMPACT ON THE SAWMILLS WILL BE HARD. – BIO MASS. A REVIEW BY FREEMAN, SHOWS 65% OF THE TOTAL VOLUME WILL BE SHUT DOWN BY ROAD CLOSURE DUE TO NO OUTLET FOR PULP WOOD, SAWMILL CHIPS OR FUEL. THE IMPACT AND PEOPLE AND ECONOMIC TURNS IS HUGE. 90 HARVEST AND TRUCKING CONTRACTORS IN OVER 400 OPERATORS AND DRIVERS IMPACTED AND 400 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT WILL BE IDLED. MR SPEAKER, LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW TODAY. WE KNOW THE RESULTS SO FAR HAVE BEEN THE LOSS OF OVER $3 BILLION OF STANDING TIMBER VALUE IN NOVA SCOTIA. WE KNOW THOUSANDS OF DIRECT JOBS AND SHUTDOWN OF A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE FORESTRY SUPPLY CHAIN. WE KNOW 1 MILLION TONNES OF WOOD ONE-THIRD OF THE PROVINCE’S HARVESTING REPRESENTING $1.1 BILLION OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. WE KNOW ALL CERTAIN IN THE SECTOR, ALL – SORRY, WE KNOW ALL CERTAINTY IN THE SECTOR HAS GONE OUT THE WINDOW WITH INVESTMENT AND PEOPLE EXITING THE SECTOR AT AN ALARMING RATE WE KNOW THERE IS A LOSS OF OVER 5$00 MILLION OF SILVA CULTURE INVESTMENT MADE IN THE PAST BY 30 YEARS OF WOODLOT OWNERS THESE ARE NUMBERS BEING RELEASED BY FOLKS IN THE INDUSTRY ON THE GROUND. TRYING TO GET GOVERNMENT TO LISTEN TO THEM WHAT DO WE HAVE, MR. SPEAKER? WE HAVE A TRANSITION TEAM, COMMITTEE NAMED BY THE PREMIER THAT REPORTS TO THE PREMIER NOT TO THE FORESTRY SECTOR. AND WHILE THROWING CASH AT A PROBLEM MAY SEEM GREAT AND BIG NUMBERS EXCITE SOME, THROWING CASH AT A PROBLEM THAT DOESN’T FIX TWO MAJOR ISSUES IS SERIOUS CREATING MARKETS AND MAINTAINING LOW OWNER VALUE THROUGH A ROBUST SUPPLY CHAIN WITH HIGH VALUE PRODUCTS GETS US NOWHERE. WE HAVE NOT SEEN ONE MARKET OF OUR FORESTRY PRODUCTS AND EXPERIENCE REDUCED SUPPLY TO KEY MARKET AND HARDWOOD PULP WOOD BY REDUCING SUPPLY THAT THREATENS BUSINESSES. WE CONTINUE TO SEE THE REPORT, BIODIVERSITY ACT ALL THINGS THAT THREATEN THE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY OF RURAL NOVA SCOTIA WHILE THEY HAVE BEEN PUT ON LIFE SUPPORT. WE CONTINUE TO SEE THE SUPPORTING OF BURNING AND IMPORTING COAL AND OIL OVER 70% YEAR TO DATE RATHER THAN SUPPORT THE FORESTRY SECTOR AND WOODLOT OWNERS RIGHT HERE IN OUR OWN PROVINCE. MR SPEAKER, I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED MLAs WORK FOR NOVA SCOTIANS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND BECAUSE OF THIS DECISION, RURAL NOVA SCOTIA WILL SUFFER. IT WILL SUFFER THE MOST. BUT EVERY NOVA SCOTIAN WILL SUFFER TO SOME DEGREE. IF YOU THINK THIS DECISION DOES NOT AFFECT YOU AS AN MLA OR NOVA SCOTIAN, I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO THINK AGAIN. THIS DECISION HAS DEVASTATED RURAL NOVA SCOTIA AND THE PEOPLE DIDN’T MAKE THIS DECISION. A SELECT COMMITTEE OF ELECTED ACCOUNTABLE MEMBERS THAT CONSULT, LISTEN AND PROVIDE MEANINGFUL AND SUPPORT IS THE RIGHT THING TO ADDRESS THE MESS THAT WE ARE IN NOW. THERE NEEDS TO BE GUIDANCE AND STRONG COMMITMENT TO THE INDUSTRY WE’LL BE LOSING MORE THAN NORTHERN PULP. MR. SPEAKER, WE HAVE HEARD THE PREMIER SAY TIME AND TIME AGAIN NORTHERN PULP HAD FIVE YEARS. SO DID THIS GOVERNMENT. WE NEED A PATH FORWARD. ONE THAT PROTECTS OUR FOREST. OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES AND THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE AND WORK WITHIN THEM THANK YOU, MR SPEAKER The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX NEEDHAM >> RES MR. SPEAKER, RESOLUTION 1661, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT

AFFECTS A GREAT NUMBER OF NOVA SCOTIANS IN VIRTUALLY EVERY CORNER OF THE PROVINCE. AND MANY OF THEM ARE STILL VERY MUCH IN THE MIDST OF GRAPPLING WITH THE TRANSITION, THE CHANGE, THE UNCERTAINTY IN THEIR RERNL AND FINANCIAL LIVES. AND I WANT TO BEGIN BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT CHANGE, WHEN IT IS NOT CHANGE THAT ONE HAS CHOSEN IS A VERY STRESSFUL THING. THE CLOSURE OF NORTHERN PULP WILL HAVE EXTENSIVE RAMIFICATIONS ACROSS THE PROVINCE IF IT IS NOT DO OR DID AND MANAGED THOUGHTFULLY AND CAREFULLY. CONTRACTORS, SAWMILL OWNERS AND EMPLOYEES, MILL EMPLOYEES, WOODLOT OWNERS, FORESTRY WORKERS, TRUCKERS AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE ALL UNDER STRESS AS THE FULL PICTURE OF WHAT THIS MOMENT MEANS, CONTINUES TO UNFOLD. AND GIVEN THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS MOMENT, IT IS WORTH WHILE REVISITING AN EXAMPLE FROM OUR RECENT HISTORY OF WHEN A GOVERNMENT MANAGED A SIGNIFICANT TRANSITION IN THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY. THE N.D.P GOVERNMENT TOOK A COMMUNITY-BASED APPROACH TO THE TRANSITION FOLLOWING THE CLOSURE OF THE BOW MILL IN JUNE 2012 THAT TRANSITION TEAM INCLUDED LOCAL VOICES AND EXPERTS, MUNICIPAL REPRESENTATIVES AND COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVES. THE GOAL OF THE BOW WATER TRANSITION TEAM WAS TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO DIVERSIFY THE ECONOMY AND TO BRING LASTING JOBS AND ECONOMIC GROWTH TO THE REGION. THE TEAM ADVOCATED FOR THE COMMUNITY CONVEYING QUESTIONS TO THE PROVINCE ON ISSUES SUCH AS WORKER PENSIONS, TRAINING, FIRE AND SAFETY ISSUES AT THE MILL SITE AND WOOD SUPPLY. THAT TEAM MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOCUSED ON MAKING THE MOST OF THE REGION’S PEOPLE AND ITS RESOURCES INCLUDING SEIZING ON OPPORTUNITIES IN RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT INTO NEW VALUE-ADDED FORESTRY PRODUCTS SUCH AS BIOFUELS AND ADVANCED WOOD PRODUCTS PROMOTING INNOVATION, SUPPORTING NEW AND SMALL BUSINESSES, EXTENDING TOURISM THROUGH MORE FOCUSED MARKETING AND CAPITALIZING ON THE REGION’S CURRENT ADVANTAGES IN SEA FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION THE BOW WATER TRANSITION TEAM RELEASED A FINAL REPORT IN DECEMBER 2012. ITS RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED THAT TWO OR THREE PROJECT MANAGERS BE HIRED TO WORK ON COMMUNITY PRIORITIES. THAT SMALL BUSINESS HUBS SUPPORT NEW AND HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND PROVIDE THEM BETTER ACCESS TO CAPITAL FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. THERE BE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND SIMPLER ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT SUPPORT PROGRAMS A RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT DEMONSTRATION SITE AT THE FORMER BOW WATER MILL PROPERTY BE DEVELOPED TO COMMERCIALIZE NEW VALUE-ADDED WOOD PRODUCTS SUCH AS BIOFUELS AND ENGINEERED WOOD PRODUCTS. COMMUNITY FOREST MODEL BE PROMOTED. AND THAT WORK ENSUE ON THE MERITS OF WOOD AND WOOD PRODUCTS IN COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION. FINALLY, WORK BE DONE WITH FARMERS TO IDENTIFY NEW AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS AND VALUE-ADDED BUSINESSES FOR THEIR PRODUCE. AND INTERDEPARTMENTAL PROVINCIAL RESPONSE TEAM FROM ECONOMIC AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT LABOUR AND ADVANCED EDUCATION, NATURAL RESOURCES, AND CAREER COUNSELLING CENTRES AND COMMUNITY BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY’S NEEDS AFTER THE TRANSITION TEAM FINISHED ITS WORK. THE BOW WATER TRANSITION TEAM DEVELOPED LASTING SOLUTIONS THAT WERE TIED TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDED BECAUSE IT WAS CONNECTED AND LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IMPACTED. AND I CAN’T HELP BUT CONTRAST THAT APPROACH WITH THE ONE CURRENTLY FAVOURED BY THIS GOVERNMENT, WHICH HAS STACKED THE TEAM OF THE CURRENT TRANSITION TEAM WITH DEPUTY MINISTERS. DEPUTY MINISTERS WHO ARE ABSOLUTELY SKILLED AND TALENTED AND DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS, BUT WHO NONETHELESS ARE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES AND WHO ANSWER ULTIMATELY TO THE PREMIER. I CAN’T HELP BUT THINK BACK TO SOME OF THE PREMIER’S ANSWERS IN OUR QUESTION PERIOD TODAY WHEN THE PROTECTED AREAS PLAN THAT WAS ARRIVED AT THANKS TO THOUSANDS OF NOVA SCOTIANS

CONTRIBUTING THROUGH A ROBUST CONSULTATION PROCESS, THAT THAT PLAN WAS DISCOUNTED AS BEING OF THE N.D.P GOVERNMENT. AND I DON’T THINK THERE IS ADEQUATE APPRECIATION IN THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT FOR WHAT ROBUST CONSULTATION AND COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION ACTUALLY MEANS THAT PROTECTED AREAS PLAN WAS NOT THE PLAN OF THE N.D.P GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT WAS SHAPED BY THOUSANDS OF NOVA SCOTIANS THE GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME CREATED THE FRAMEWORK AND PROVIDED THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORTS FOR THAT CONSULTATION TO HAPPEN. HERE REPEATEDLY WITH THIS GOVERNMENT WE’RE SEEING A VERY CLOSED APPROACH TO CONSULTATION AND THAT DENIES ALL OF US AS NOVA SCOTIANS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BEST IDEAS AND GREATEST ENERGY TO BE PUT TO THE PROBLEMS WE’RE FACING. THAT ARE COMPLEX. CERTAINLY AS THE N.D.P. SPOKESPERSON ON LANDS AND FORESTRY, I HAVE COME TO APPRECIATE THAT THAT FIELD, THAT FILE, THAT INDUSTRY IS COMPLEX THERE WERE VERY MANY DIFFERENT PLAYERS OPERATING AT DIFFERENT SCALES. BUT ALL OF THEM ARE IMPACTED WHEN NEIGHBOURS ARE STRUGGLING AND UNDER STRESS WHEN THE MARKET CONDITIONS AND DEMAND FOR PRODUCTS IS IMPACTED AS IT HAS BEEN UNDER NORTHERN PULP. SINCE THE NORTHERN PULP CLOSURE. IT SEEMS TO ME THE CURRENT FORMATION OF THE TEAM IS AT RISK OF BEING INEFFECTIVE BECAUSE IT IS NEITHER WIDE ENOUGH TO ENCOMPASS STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY, NOR CONNECTED ENOUGH TO COMMUNITIES TO STEWARD AN EFFECTIVE COMMUNITY-BASED TRANSITION. OUR CAUCUS HAS CALLED ON THE GOVERNMENT TO APPOINT A COMMUNITY CHAIR FULLY INDEPENDENT OF GOVERNMENT AND WITH CREDENTIALS THAT ENSURE THE RESPECT OF ALL SECTORS. I WILL SAY THAT DIFFERS FROM WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED THROUGH THIS RESOLUTION WHICH IS AN ALL PARTY COMMITTEE. AND WHILE I ENDEAVOUR TO SHOW UP WHEN INVITED TO ALL PARTY COMMITTEES OF ANY SORT WITH MY BEST WISHES AND MY BEST INTENTIONS TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE, FRANKLY, I DON’T THINK THE NATURE OF THIS HOUSE AND OF PARTISAN POLITICS NECESSARILY LEND THOSE FORMATIONS TO BE THE BEST ONES FOR GETTING WORK DONE. I DON’T AGREE WITH THE CORE OF THIS RESOLUTION WHICH IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN ALL PARTY COMMITTEE TRAVELLING THE PROVINCE TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS FOR THE FOREST R INDUSTRY. IT’S HARD ENOUGH TO BE FOR YOU AS LONG AS I’M GOING TO BE WITH YOU TODAY, SO … BUT I THINK THE TRANSITION TEAM – I’M MORE ROBUST TRANSITION TEAM WITH MORE COMMUNITY VOICES WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. AND GIVEN THE CURRENT FORMATION WITH PREPONDERANCE OF DEPUTY MINISTERS, WE URGE IT TO MEET REGULARLY WITH MUNICIPALITIES AND MAJOR SOCIAL AGENCIES IN PICTOU, CUMBERLAND AND OTHER IMPACTED COUNTIES TO KEEP THEM INFORMED AND BETTER MONITOR THE SITUATION ON THE GROUND. IN ORDER TO FIND OUT WHAT INTERVENTIONS MIGHT BE NEEDED AND HELPFUL. MAKE SURE THOSE COMMUNICATION CHANNELS ARE OPEN I HAPPEN TO HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW A COUPLE OF THE NON DEPUTY MINISTER MEMBERS OF THE TRANSITION TEAM. I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE WHO ARE REALLY THERE WITH THE WIDE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AT HEART AND YET THIS IS A DIVERSE PROVINCE. THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY IS AGAIN COMPLEX AND THE REALITIES AND CENTRAL NORTHERN NOVA SCOTIA ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE REALITY IN THE SOUTHWEST. YET NORTHERN PULP SUPPLY CHAIN REACHED ALL CORNERS. THE ONLY WAY WE WILL COME ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIGNIFICANT MOMENT IN OUR PROVINCE’S HISTORY IS IF WE ARE REALLY WILLING TO LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE TELLING US THAT THEY NEED. AND WHAT THEY CAN OFFER AND THAT’S NOT JUST THROUGH FEEDBACK AFTER DECISIONS ARE MADE BUT THROUGH INCLUDING COMMUNITY VOICES THROUGHOUT THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS TRANSITION MEANS FOR THE STATE OF OUR

FORESTS. OF COURSE, THIS MAJOR CHANGE IN THE PULP AND PAPER INDUSTRY COMES ON THE HEELS OF THE FINDINGS OF THE LAHEY REPORT ON THE STATE OF OUR FORESTS AND THE SURNT CURRENT, PRESENTS A RISK AND OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE LOOK THE NEEDS TO SHIFT TO A GREATER BALANCE ACROSS THE LANDSCAPE OF NOVA SCOTIA. AND IN PARTICULAR AS DESCRIBED IN THE LAHEY REPORT, SHIFT TO ECOLOGICAL FORESTRY ON A GREAT DEAL OF OUR CROWN LAND. AS WE CONFRONT THE CLIMATE CRISIS WHICH I NOTE HAS NOT YET BEEN MENTIONED, I DON’T THINK, IN THIS HOUSE, IN THIS SITTING, THIS MOMENT HAS TO BE SEIZED AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. MANY PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING WHETHER NORTHERN PULP’S LICENCES SHOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO FORESTRY CO-OPS IN THE PROVINCE WHO ARE EITHER MORE INTERESTED OR MORE VERSED IN ECOLOGICAL FORESTRY. I’M CONCERNED THE TRANSITION WILL NOT BE USED TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A REAL PROFOUND SHIFT TO A GREEN ECONOMY WHICH INCLUDES USE OF WOOD FOR LOCAL HEAT GENERATION AS WELL AS IN OTHER VALUE-ADDED PRODUCTS, INCLUDING MASS TIMBER AND SO FORTH. WE NEED THIS TRANSITION TO CONTEMPLATE THE LONG VIEW. WE NEED CERTAINLY GOVERNMENT SUPPORT TO STABILIZE THE INDUSTRY SO THAT IT’S ABLE TO ADJUST TO THAT LONG VIEW. BUT WE ALSO NEED, BE TAKING THIS MOMENT TO FIGURE OUT TOGETHER AND TO GATHER DIFFERENT ACTORS TO THE PURPOSE OF MOVING TOWARDS A LONG-TERM VISION FOR OUR FORESTS. AND MY QUESTION IS WHETHER, WHETHER THE TRANSITION TEAM WILL FACILITATE MORE THAN A TRICKLE OF INFORMATION FROM GOVERNMENT HIGHERUPS? WE HAVE HEARD FROM MEMBERS OF IMPACTED, COMMUNICATION IS POOR. AROUND THE PATH FORWARD INCREASE THE ANXIETY CREATED BY THE SITUATION. PICTOU HAS ASKED FOR REPRESENTATION. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT REQUEST HAS NOT BEEN GRANTED. UNIFOR ASKED FOR REPRESENTATION. AGAIN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT REQUEST HAS NOT BEEN GRANTED. WE ALSO HAVEN’T BEEN INFORMED IN DETAIL ABOUT HOW THE TRANSITION TEAM WILL MEASURE AND TRACK ITS OUTCOMES ADDITIONALLY, I CONTINUE TO QUESTION AND TO SEEK CLARITY ON WHETHER ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE GOVERNMENT ARE GOING TO UNDERCUT PRIVATE WOODLOT OWNERS. I’M GRATEFUL TO THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION FOR PUTTING FORWARD THIS RESOLUTION WHICH HAS LED TO THIS OPPORTUNITY TO LAY OUT SOME OF MY CONCERNS. WITH THE CURRENT FORMULATION OF THE FLORN PULP TRANSITION AND CONTINUE TO URGE THE GOVERNMENT TO INCLUDE COMMUNITY VOICES IN THE TRANSITION. THIS MOMENT AGAIN WILL REQUIRE COURAGE, LISTENING AND REAL TRANSPARENT COMMUNICATION. AND IT’S MY HOPE THAT THIS GOVERNMENT WILL FIND IT IN ITSELF TO RISE TO THE MOMENT. THANK YOU The Speaker: HONOURABLE MINISTER OF LAND AND FORESTRY >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. IT’S A PLEASURE TO RISE TO SPEAK A BIT ON THE RESOLUTION BEFORE THE HOUSE. I WOULD AGREE WITH SENTIMENTS EXPRESSED BY BOTH PREVIOUS SPEAKERS. SOME OF THEM. BUT I DON’T AGREE THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING IN MORE POLITICAL ACTORS INTO A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE THAT WE ARE FACING WITH THE PROVINCE AND ONE OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT SECTORS, ESPECIALLY TO RURAL NOVA SCOTIA WITH SUCH A CORE PIECE OF OUR ECONOMY AT STAKE. THAT’S WHY WE TOOK ACTION FAIRLY QUICKLY TO PUT TOGETHER A TEAM THAT DOES INCLUDE DEPUTY MINISTERS. I THINK THAT’S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE TRANSITION TEAM. WE HAVE OF COURSE LANDS AND FORESTRY DEPUTY AT THAT TABLE, ENERGY AND IGA THERE SO WE CAN TAKE QUICK

ACTION. THESE ARE THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEADS OF DEPARTMENTS THAT SEND OUT ANALYSIS THROUGHOUT THE MANY DEPARTMENTS AND PUBLIC SERVANTS THAT CAN TAKE QUICK ACTION ON AN INITIATIVES, ALONG SIDE OUR PARTNERS THAT COME FROM INDUSTRY SO WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM PRIVATE WOODLOT OWNERS, LARGE INDUSTRIAL LANDOWNERS. WE HAVE A SAWMILL OPERATOR AT THAT TABLE, MR. SPEAKER SO WE CAN GET CRITICAL INFORMATION TO THE TABLE QUICKLY FROM INDUSTRY, FROM THE GROUND. FROM COMMUNITIES AND THEN ACT ON IT QUICKLY THROUGH OUR DEPUTIES OF COURSE AS THE MINISTER OF LAND AND FORESTRY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THAT, ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY SO I COULD HEAR DIRECTLY FROM THEM ASIDE FROM MY NORMAL PRACTICE OF REACHING OUT TO DIFFERENT PLAYERS IN THE INDUSTRY. BUT I THINK HAVING THAT AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPARISON OF THE PRACTICE OF OUR STANDING COMMITTEES, I WOULD SUBMIT THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS CONSTRUCTIVE IN THEIR ORGANIZATION AND THAT THAT WHY I AGREE FROM THE MEMBER THAT JUST SPOKE FROM HALIFAX NEEDHAM ABOUT POLITICS BEING BROUGHT INTO IT SO-CALLED ROAD SHOW ACROSS THE PROVINCE MAY NOT BE THE BEST FRAMEWORK IN TERMS OF TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS AND ACTING ON THOSE SOLUTIONS AT THE TABLE. AN EXAMPLE THAT I HAVE SEEN RECENTLY. SUSPECTS I SAW THIS RESOLUTION, I THOUGHT OF THE ONGOING EFFORT BY MUNICIPALITIES WITH THE CAP SYSTEM. I SAW IN AN ARTICLE THAT I’LL TABLE TITLED PARTISANSHIP BOGGS DOWN CAP PANEL. THAT WAS THE TITLE OF A CHRONICLE HERALD ARTICLE MEMBERS CAN GO THROUGH THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU CAN HAVE WHEN YOU HAVE POLITICAL MEMBERS SPEAKING TO THEIR – -W WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE HAPPEN. SOMETIMES WHEN THEY GET IN FRONT OF A CAMERA, THEY LIKE TO STATE POLITICAL POSITIONS AND NOT NECESSARILY GET INTO DETAILS IN CONSTRUCTIVE ANALYSIS AROUND PROGRAMS THAT MATTER TO PEOPLE SO I THINK THAT THE CURRENT STATUS OF HOW OUR COMMITTEE HAS BEEN OPERATING IS, HAS SEEN DEMONSTRATED SUCCESS. THE INITIATIVES ROLLING OUT WEEK AFTER WEEK STARTING WITH LOOKING AT FUNDING FOR SILVA CULTURE AND ROADWORK. SUPPLEMENTING SOFT OF THE FUNDING WE KNEW, NORTHERN PULP WAS SPENDING ON BOTH PRIVATE AND CROWN LANDS. SO SOME OF THAT MONEY GOES DIRECTLY INTO THE POCKETS OF THOSE THAT ARE WORKING, TRUCKERS, LOGGERS, PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING THROUGHOUT THE SUPPLY CHAIN BEING ABLE TO DO ENHANCED SILVA CULTURE WORK. BEYOND THE INCREASE TO GET INTO THE BUDGET FOR THE LAHEY REPORT RECOMMENDATIONS INCREASED LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR. SO THOSE TYPES OF INITIATIVES MATTER THEY ARE TO BE ADMINISTERED QUICKLY WHEN IT COMES TO ROADWORK. BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN’T ON THE TRANSITION TEAM THEMSELVES AS A PERSON DOES NOT MEAN THEY HAVE A VOICE AT THAT BEEN TABLE. THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITIES ITSELF THAT MEETS WEEKLY ACTUALLY INTRODUCE PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE TABLE AND BRING PRESENTATIONS, – COMMUNITY COLLEGES ARE PART OF THAT FOR RETRAINING. MEETING AT SAWMILLS GOING THROUGH PRESENTATIONS FROM SAWMILLS OR INTERESTED COMPANIES LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT FUTURE MARKETS AND I BELIEVE THERE’S CLOSE TO 20 DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT BROUGHT PROPOSALS FORWARD. LOOKING AT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE PRODUCTS THAT WE NOW HAVE IN EXCESS. OPPORTUNITY TO LOOKING AT THE BIO ECONOMY AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESS MODELS THAT ARE POSSIBLE. WE HAVE THE $7 MILLION FOR SILVA CULTURE AND ROADWORK AS I SPOKE TO $5 MILLION TO PROVIDE THE GUARANTEE THROUGH THE NEW FINANCING PROGRAM THROUGH CREDIT UNIONS ACROSS THE PROVINCE. WE KNOW THERE’S UPTAKE ON THAT PROGRAM. THAT ALLOWS AGAIN TO KEEP CAPACITY IN A SUPPLY CHAIN CHEESE ARE SPORT TERM – THESE ARE SHORT TERM. THESE ARE SHORT TERM INITIATIVES, WE PROVIDE THAT GUARANTEE TO GET THROUGH THIS PERIOD OF UNCERTAINTY. WE KNOW THERE’S UPTAKE ON THAT MILLION-AND-A-HALF PUT INTO RETRAINING OPTIONS FOR FORESTRY WORKERS IF THEY CHOOSE TO CONSIDER OTHER SKILLED TRADES WE ALSO HAVE THE RECENT $10 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS TO PROVIDE FOR REBATE FOR INNOVATION REBATE FOR COMPANIES THAT WANT TO LOOK AT CAPITAL INVESTMENTS AT THEIR SAWMILL, MR. SPEAKER, IF THEY WANT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP WITH LOW VALUE PRODUCTS

WE HAVE THE CONCERN TO FIND MARKET FOR TODAY. OR POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT IMPROVING VALUE-ADDED TYPE PRODUCTS. AND MAKING INVESTMENTS HERE AND GOVERNMENT BEING THERE. WE’RE EXHAUSTING ALL OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN MIND WE HAVE TO ENSURE WE’RE KEEPING THE EXEMPTION ON OUR SOFTWOOD LUMBER AGREEMENT THAT’S WHERE WE GET ADVICE FROM LEGAL TEAMS, TRADE STAFF, AND OTHERS AT THE TABLE. WE ALSO ABOVE AND BEYOND ALL THOSE INVESTMENTS HAVE PUT ASIDE $50 MILLION THAT HASN’T BEEN TOUCHED INTO A SEPARATE TRUST FUND, MR. SPEAKER. AND THAT IS TO PURPOSE IS TO PROTECT IT FOR FUTURE YEARS SO IT’S NOT BEING PULLED AWAY FROM THE TRANSITION FROM YEAR TO YEAR, FISCAL YEARS AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO PUT INITIATIVES TOGETHER AT THE TRANSITION TABLE THAT CAN DRAW FROM THAT, MR. SPEAKER. OF COURSE WE KNEW THIS WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT. I HEARD FROM THE QUEENS SHELBURNE CONTINUE TO USE THE WORD THIS DECISION, THIS DECISION WAS THROUGHOUT HER SPEECH. AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT IF IT WAS THIS DECISION OF GOVERNMENT, IT WAS VERY MUCH VOTED ON BY EVERY MEMBER OF THIS HOUSE AND ALL PARTIES SUPPORTED THE VOTE. THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT MAKE A DECISION TO CEASE OPERATION OF A COMPANY. THEY HAD THE DECISION TO EITHER COMPLY WITH WHAT WAS REQUIRED OF THEM OR NOT. AND THEY DID PUT FORWARD AN APPLICATION THAT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL AND BY THE TIME WE CAME TO DECEMBER OF THE MONTH PRIOR TO THE CLOSURE OF BOAT HARBOUR AS STATED IN THE ACT, WE WERE NO FURTHER AHEAD THAN FIVE YEARS PRIOR TO AGAIN, THAT WAS NOT AN EASY TIME FOR INDUSTRY LEADING UP TO THAT. I WAS MINISTER THROUGHOUT. AND MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS, TRAVELLING ACROSS THE PROVINCE, VISITING MILLS AND VIRTUALLY EVERY COUNTY IN THE PROVINCE THROUGHOUT THE SOUTH SHORE, AROUND PICTOU. CAPE BRETON AND ALL OVER. THERE WAS ANXIETY PELT AND CONCERN OF WHAT GOVERNMENT MAY DO. THOSE ANXIETIES AND CHALLENGES BECAME EVER MORE PRESENT AS WE BECAME CLOSER TO THAT DEADLINE IN THE LEGISLATION. AND THERE ARE ALWAYS QUESTIONS WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD DO. AND AGAIN WE HAD TO TAKE A PRINCIPLE STARNS. I DON’T THINK ANYONE APOLOGIZES FOR STICKING BY OUR WORD ALL PARTIES COLLECTIVELY MAYBE SOME MEMBERS WERE NOT IN AGREEMENT. BUT THEY VOTED FOR THE BOAT HARBOUR ACT. WE HAD A SITUATION IN THE PROVINCE THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TOO LONG THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT FIVE YEARS. THAT WAS JUST THE LAST PROMISE THAT THE PROVINCE, THE GOVERNMENT OF NOVA SCOTIA MADE TO THE PEOPLE OF PICTOU LANDING FIRST NATIONS, THAT FACILITY HAD TO CLOSE. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IT WAS PUT IN LEGISLATION. PRIOR TO 2014, WHEN THAT ACT WAS PASSED, WE KNOW THAT WAS PROMISED IN 2008 BY THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT FACILITY HAD TO CLOSE PRIOR TO THAT THROUGHOUT THE 90s MULTIPLE TIMES LEADING BACK TO 1991 THE FIRST PROMISE WAS MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT THAT BOAT HARBOUR WOULD CLOSE. I SUBMIT NORTHERN PULP HAD MORE THAN FIVE YEARS TO TRANSITION TO A MORE ACCEPTABLE ENVIRONMENTAL WITH THE AFFLUENT THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY AREN’T ABLE TO MEET THE REGULATIONS AND HAD THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT APPROVED. IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE HAD TO COME TO GRIPS WITH HOW WE WOULD DEAL WITH THE IMPACTS RIGHT FROM DAY ONE WHEN WE CAME INTO GOVERNMENT IN 2013, WE WOULD HAVE SMART PUBLIC SERVANTS WOULD TELL US HOW MUCH TONNAGE GOES TO A CERTAIN ECONOMY. HOW MUCH CAPACITY FORESTRY WORKERS IN THE FOREST WORKING ON THE VARIOUS TYPES OF LOGGING ACROSS THE WHOLE PROVINCE. THE IMPACTS TO SAWMILLS. IF THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE OR NOT. WE HAVE CHALLENGES FOR SURE. WE’RE PREPARED TO MEET WITH ALL PARTIES TO GO OVER SOLUTIONS AS WE HAVE BEEN DOING. WE HAVE THE 1-800 LINE WHERE WE HAVE MONITORED STAFF TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES THAT PEOPLE CAN BRING. THAT WAY THROUGH THE WEBSITE, THROUGH ME, MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE BRING DIFFERENT INITIATIVES TO ME WHICH GO THROUGH CENTRAL AREA INTO THE TRANSITION TEAM TO LOOK AT HOW WE COULD HELP BOTH IN THE SHORT TERM AND IN THE LONG-TERM RIGHT NOW THE FOCUS OF THAT TRANSITION TEAM IS THE SHORT TERM ENSURING WE HAVE MARKETS FOR SOME OF THE LOW VALUE PULP WOOD THAT COMES OFF OF PRIVATE LAND. HOW WE’RE DEALING WITH OUR CROWN LAND OPERATIONS AND

ENSURING CONTRACTORS ARE WORKING ON BOTH THOSE AREAS AND THAT’S WHY WE HAVE INDUSTRY REPS AT OUR TABLE THAT HAVE BEEN WITH US AND SUPPORTING ALL THE INITIATIVES WE HAVE BEEN ROLLING OUT WEEK AFTER WEEK AND MONITORING TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS. WE ALSO HAVE OUR OWN GOVERNMENT INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THROUGH THE LAHEY REPORT THAT WILL HELP WITH THAT, AS WELL. I THINK OF THE PUBLIC HEATING INITIATIVE THAT WE HAVE UNDERGONE WITH A TENDER ABOUT TO CLOSE WITH SIX PUBLIC BUILDINGS TAKE SOME OF THAT PRODUCT. WE KNOW IT’S A START. AND IT’S A SIGNAL THAT THAT’S THE DIRECTION WE CAN GO IN THE FUTURE THAT COULD LEAD TO MORE BUILDINGS OR EVEN DISTRICT ENERGY PROJECTS MUNICIPALITIES MAY WANT TO ENGAGE IN. WE KNOW THERE IS INTEREST FOR SOME MUNICIPAL GROUPS. IT COULD INVOLVE INSTITUTIONS. WE KNOW SOME UNIVERSITIES LIKE UNIVERSITY OF ST. ANN USES A SYSTEM WITH BIO MASS PRODUCTS. LOCALLY USED WOOD CHIPS FROM WOODLOTS. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES. THE KEY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE’RE DIVERSIFYING WHERE ALL THESE PRODUCTS ARE GOING. AND NOT PUTTING ALL EGGS IN ONE BASKET THE INDUSTRY WAS RELIANT ON LIMITED MARKETS FOR TOO LONG I’M NOT BLAMING THEM. WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A HIGH PRICE BEING PAID TO YOUR OPERATION FROM THAT ENTITY, WHY WOULD YOU CHANGE AND SHIFT TO SELLING YOUR PRODUCT TO SOMETHING YOU GET LOWER REVENUE FROM? BUT WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. AND WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR COMMUNITY THAT HAD TO LIVE NEXT TO WHAT I HAVE SAID AND I’LL SAY IT AGAIN I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST, ONE OF THE MOST EXTREME EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROVINCE, IN THE COUNTRY OF ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM. I THINK THAT’S WHY ALL MEMBERS AT THAT TIME DECIDED TO SUPPORT THAT BILL. MAYBE SOME OF THEM REGRET THAT OR REGRET THE POSITION OF THEIR PARTY. BUT IN THE REALITY TODAY, THEY’RE NOT ACCEPTABLE ANYMORE. I AM PROUD OF THE PRINCIPLE STANCE THAT THE PREMIER HAD TO MAKE. I KNOW IT WASN’T EASY FOR HIM. I KNOW THE PREMIER CARES ABOUT THE FORESTRY SECTOR. AND THAT’S WHY WE PUT TOGETHER THE TRANSITION TEAM AND THAT’S WHY HE HAD WE DO NOT DESPAIR. WE WILL BE WITH YOU THROUGHOUT THIS TIME. I THINK AS YOU SEEK THROUGH THE ACTIONS WE HAVE TAKEN THROUGH A NUMBER OF INITIATIVES THROUGH THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE ARE PUFTING TO HELP PEOPLE THROUGH THIS PERIOD OF UNCERTAINTY, WE MEAN WHAT WE SAY. – PUTTING OUT. WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH INDIVIDUALS IMPACTED BY SOME OF WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF MONTHS. NUMBER OF YEARS. AS I SAID EARLIER, NUMBER OF DECADES. I THINK THAT WE’RE ALL FOR THE BETTER IF WE DO KEEP POLITICS TO THE EXTENT WE CAN. I KNOW THE ENVIRONMENT WE’RE IN. IF WE CAN KEEP POLITICS OUT OF THIS AND TRY TO MAKE SURE WE’RE FOCUSED ON SOLUTIONS AND NOT ADDING MORE COMMITTEES ON TOP OF MORE COMMITTEES AND LOOKING AT HOW WE WORK WITH OUR INDUSTRY PLAYERS AND HOW WE’RE TRANSITIONING THE FORESTRY SECTOR TO ONE MORE SUSTAINABLE. WORKING TOGETHER TO IMPLEMENT A REPORT THAT LAYS OUT A ROAD MAP OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF DECADES AS THE REPORT REFERS TO CHANGING OUR FORESTRY PRACTICES AND ENSURING WE’RE ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITIES TO ENSURE WE’RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT VALUES IF THE FOREST WHETHER IT’S RECREATION, CONSERVATION, AND HOW THAT FORESTRY CAN COINCIDE WITH ALL THOSE VALUES. THAT’S THE KEY HOW WE WORK TOGETHER, THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER The Speaker: RECOGNIZE THE MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND SOUTH >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE MINISTER AND MY COLLEAGUE IN THE N.D.P CAUCUS, AS WELL, FOR THEIR REMARKS. A FEW THINGS WE CAN SHARE AS A WHOLE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY ON SOME OF THEIR IDEAS MR. SPEAKER, I’M PLEASED TO STAND TODAY AND SPEAK ON THIS RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION THAT WOULD ESTABLISH A SELECT COMMITTEE ON FORESTRY AND SEEMS FAMILIAR I’M STANDING HERE ALMOST A YEAR AFTER. ALMOST A YEAR TO THE DAY WHERE OUR CAUCUS PRESENTED AN IDEA OF BILL 85 FORESTRY INDUSTRY SUSTAINABILITY. THAT WAS A BILL THAT WOULD HAVE CALLED ON THE GOVERNMENT TO CREATE A TASK FORCE WITHIN THE SECTOR. WORK ON ISSUES SUCH AS NEW MARKETS, STEPPING BLOCKS OF TRANSITION, WHAT THAT TRANSITION WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE, WHAT FINANCES WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE STEPS HURDLES IN THAT SECTOR. SOUNDS FAMILIAR. MR SPEAKER, THAT WAS ALMOST A YEAR AGO. A YEAR AGO IN THIS HOUSE, THIS PROVINCE, AND THIS FORESTRY SECTOR WERE LED TO BELIEVE WE HAD THE BEST, THE BEST DECISION

MAKERS WE HAVE, THE PREMIER, CERTAIN MINISTERS, CERTAIN DEPUTY MINISTERS WORKING ON IT THE BEST WAY WE CAN. TO START A NEW LOOK A DIFFERENT TASK FORCE NOW WOULDN’T BE GOING IN THE RIGHT WAY. IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE GAME. NOT SOMETHING THAT’S GOING TO CHANGE THE GAME. YET ON DECEMBER 20th, WE HEARD THE ANNOUNCEMENT. THAT’S WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT DID. CREATED A NEW TASK FORCE WITH A DIFFERENT NAME SUCH AS THE TRANSITION TEAM STARTING A NEW LOOK IS WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT DID. I’M NOT CRITICIZING THE FACT THEY DID THIS. IT NEEDED TO BE DONE. MY QUESTION HAS BEEN EVER SINCE LAST YEAR WHEN WE PRESENTED THE BILL THE TIMING OF THAT ELEVENTH HOUR WAS GOING TO COME NO MATTER WHAT. FOR A PLANNING ON THE DAY OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE 11th HOUR, APPEARS TO BE GIVEN CREDIT TO. DID THIS TEAM OF DEPUTIES MEET REGULARLY? WHAT WAS IN THEIR STRUCTURE? WERE THEY MEETING IN A PROACTIVE APPROACH? DID THEY MEET AT ALL REGULARLY? WE FOUND OUT THE TRANSITION TEAM SPOKE A FEW WEEKS AGO NATURAL RESOURCES THEY MADE THE STATEMENT THEY STARTED FROM SCRATCH. STARTING FROM SCRATCH WITH NO REPORTS BACK FROM THAT MINISTER OR DEPUTY MINISTER’S TEAM. THEY WERE ALLOCATED $50 MILLION. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE SECTOR IS WHERE DID THAT 50 MILLION-DOLLAR NUMBER COME FROM? ONE OF THE TERMS OF REFERENCE FOR THAT COMMITTEE WAS TO WORK ON SHORT TERM, PRESSURE RELIEF FOR THE SECTOR. ALLEVIATE THE TRANSITIONAL CHANGE THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE FORESTRY SECTOR. IT’S KNOWN THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE HOUSE THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA. I DO WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO THIS GOVERNMENT FOR THE LAHEY REPORT IT’S SOMETHING I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON ON THIS FLOOR IT WAS A STEP IF THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR A FORESTRY SECTOR ONE THING WE HAVE DEBATED ON ACROSS THE FLOOR WAS HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT LAHEY REPORT THE SPEED AND PROCESS. MR SPEAKER, WHY A NEW TEAM ON DECEMBER 20th? WHY $50 MILLION? AND WHY ONLY ANNOUNCE THAT TEAM AT THE 11th HOUR? AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WHY A BIG PRESS CONFERENCE TO ANNOUNCE SOMETHING THIS GOVERNMENT SAID WAS LEGISLATED? AS AN OPPOSITION MEMBER IN ANY GOVERNMENT, THIS PROVINCE OR ANY OTHER PROVINCE IN CANADA, ONE OF OUR JOBS IS TO HOLD GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT. THAT’S OUR SOLE JOB. ASK THE QUESTIONS OF OUR CONSTITUENTS AND RESIDENTS IN THE PROVINCE THAT ARE FEELING LEFT OUT. ALSO A PART OF OUR JOB IS TO SHARE IDEAS. THAT WE DID IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION WE HAVE HOPES THAT DAY OF HOLDING A PRESS CONFERENCE THIS GOVERNMENT WAS GOING TO ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION. PROBABLY NOT I STOOD IN THIS HOUSE FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS. AND I HEARD HOW COLLABORATIVE IS AND OPEN. NOT ONCE, HAVE I SEEN THIS GOVERNMENT TAKE EITHER ONE OF THE OPPOSITION PARTIES’ IDEAS AND COLLABORATE WITH THEM. WHEN SUGGESTED LAST YEAR, THE MLAs OF PICTOU CAME UP WITH IDEAS ON THEIR OWN AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS HOUSE, THESE MLAs ASKED FOR THE INFORMATION. THE FIRE INFORMATION, IF YOU WILL. THAT NEVER HAPPENED. THERE’S THAT WORD AGAIN. COLLABORATATION WE HEARD FROM FORESTERS FROM YARMOUTH TO CAPE BRETON WOODLOT OWNERS AND ASSOCIATIONS MORE IMPORTANTLY IN MY CONSTITUENCY IN CUMBERLAND SOUTH, RURAL NOVA SCOTIA, IT’S NOT JUST THE CONTRACTORS. IT’S NOT JUST THE MILL OWNERS. IT’S THOSE PEOPLE PLANTING TREES. – PEOPLE RUNNING HARVESTERS THEY’RE FEELING A PINCH AND FEELING OF ANXIETY RIGHT NOW WE’RE HEARING SINCE DECEMBER 20 DECEMBER 20th, THEY’RE FEELING LEFT ASIDE. THEIR VOICE ISN’T AT THE TRANSITION TEAM. WE HAVE HEARD MEMBER OPPOSITE IN THE N.D.P. CAUCUS STATE THEY’RE HEARING THE SAME AS WE ARE. THE RESPONSE COMING BACK FROM THE TRANSITION TEAM IS NOT IN A TIMELY MANNER. SOMETHING DID NEED TO BE DONE. FORESTERS

NEEDED A VOICE. IMPORTANT SOMEBODY HERE HAD TO STEP UP AND GIVE A VOICE. THEY ALSO NEEDED A VOICE LAST SPRING WHEN THEY FELT NOT CONSULTED ABOUT A BIODIVERSITY ACT. THE FORESTRY ASKED FOR A VOICE. AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A DUTY TO STEP UP. AS IT WAS STATED IN THE HOUSE A YEAR AGO, IN THIS DEBATE, ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AS ELECTED OFFICIALS. THAT IS WHY WE SUGGESTED THIS RESOLUTION. AS LEGISLATORS AND BEING ELECTED TO THIS HOUSE, IT’S TIME TO FACE THE FACTS OF DECISION WE HAVE MADE. FACE THE PEOPLE OUT IN THE SECTOR AND EXPLAIN TO THEM OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO WE AS THE PC CAUCUS MADE A PROMISE JANUARY 23rd. THE FORESTRY SECTOR, THAT WE WOULD HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND GO OUT AND SPEAK WITH THOSE SECTOR PEOPLE. THAT WE HAVE DONE. AS I’M SURE OTHER MLAs HAVE IN THIS HOUSE. THEY STILL FEEL THEIR VOICES ARE NOT BEING HEARD. THEY’RE IN THE TIME OF SCARED, ACCIDENT, UNKNOWN WHERE THE NEXT PAYCHEQUE MAY COME FROM. — ANXIETY. COMMITTEE TRAVELLING THE PROVINCE COULD WORK SUCH AS MY COLLEAGUE FROM CUMBERLAND THAT MEET ALMOST WEEKLY AND HAVE AN ADVISORY TEAM THAT HAVE A LINK TO THE TRANSITION TEAM. I ENCOURAGE ALL MLAs TO GO BACK TO YOUR COMMUNITIES THIS WEEKEND AND TALK TO YOUR FORESTRY SECTORS AND COME UP WITH A COMMITTEE SUCH AS THAT. WHEN WE HEARD FROM SOME DECISION MAKERS THEY DON’T FEEL THERE’S ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTED IN THE FORESTRY SECTOR, THAT SETS OFF AN ALARM. LET’S BE CLEAR THERE’S ALREADY BEEN LOSSES AND THERE’S GOING TON MORE LOSSES. — GOING TO BE MORE LOSSES. THIS WILL GET INTO THE ROOTS OF NOVA SCOTIA WHERE THE FORESTRY SECTOR IT AND GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. LAST YEAR WHEN THE IDEA OF A PLAN B WAS FLOATED AROUND WITH THE DEPUTY’S COMMITTEE. I ARGUE WITH THE FACT THAT THIS WAS TOO LATE. A YEAR BEFORE THE CLOSURE WAS TOO LATE. THE FIVE YEAR MARK IS NOT HERE YET, MR. SPEAKER. THAT LEGISLATION WAS PASSED MAY FIFTH. THAT WILL BE THE FIVE YEAR MARK. I ARGUE THE FACT THIS GOVERNMENT EVEN KNEW A YEAR PRIOR TO THAT WHEN THE AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED AT PICTOU LANDING WITH THE BOAT HARBOUR ISSUE I’M NOT DEBATING THE FACT WE SHOULDN’T HAVE CLEANED UP BOAT HARBOUR. WHAT I’M ARGUING HOW THIS FILE WAS HANDLED. I SPOKE IN THE HOUSE MY FIRST SESSION ABOUT AN IMPACT TO MY COMMUNITY THAT WOULD SEE A LOSS OF 10 TO 20 JOBS. THAT WAS A BIG IMPACT WE HAVE A SITUATION THAT WILL AFFECT THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES THROUGHOUT NOVA SCOTIA. THIS GOVERNMENT WAITED UNTIL THE 11 11th HOUR TO COME UP A TEAM AND PLAN. THAT’S WHAT I’M DEBATING HERE TODAY IMPACTS SUCH AS PEOPLE LOWER INCOMES ON PAYCHEQUE. IMPACT SEEN PEOPLE LOSE THEIR EQUIPMENT. FEARFUL THE END OF MARCH THEY’LL LOSE THEIR HOUSE, AS WELL. YES, THERE’S RELIEF FUND THROUGH THE BRIDGE PROGRAM. $618, I APOLOGIZE, I DON’T HAVE THE QUOTED NUMBER DOESN’T MAKE A PAYMENT. THAT DOESN’T CARRY ON FOR TWO OR THREE MONTHS WHILE YOU’RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE FUTURE MAY BRING. LET’S TALK ABOUT THE TRANSITION TEAM. MR SPEAKER, I MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF THE TRANSITION TEAM. THESE QUESTIONS ARE COMING FROM THE REAL PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED. I’M NOT A FORESTER, BIOLOGIST. I DON’T KNOW HOW ELSE TO GRAB THESE QUESTIONS BUT BEING – WE’RE GETTING THE QUESTIONS FROM THE REAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE IMPACT WITH FEET ON THE GROUND. THESE MEMBERS OF THE TRANSITION TEAM WERE PUT IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION ON JANUARY 3rd WHEN THEIR NAME WAS PUT OUT. WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THE PROCESS OR WHAT THE TRANSITION TEAM HAS DONE, THE TRANSITION TEAM DOES NEED A PAT ON THE BACK FOR THE SITUATION THEY’RE PUT IN. AND BEING ABLE TO FIT INTO THEIR DEBATE WEEKLY I HAVE HEARD THE TRANSITION TEAM IS NOT GETTING BACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUTTING IN REQUEST. IT’S NOT A TIMELY RESPONSE. ONE OF THE TERMS OF

REFERENCE WAS AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO THE SITUATION AT HAND. MR. SPEAKER, WE’RE NOT SEEING THAT. ANOTHER ISSUE I HAVE AND HEARD SEVERAL TIMES IS FROM PRESENTERS THAT HAVE GONE TO THE TRANSITION TEAM. IF THEY DON’T SHARE THE SAME IDEAS, IT’S ALMOST LIKE THEY’RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE PRESENTATION MR. SPEAKER, RIGHT OFF THE GET-GO, BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING EVER HAPPENED WITH THE TRANSITION TEAM, WE SEE SOMEBODY THAT THE PREMIER SENT OUT A PERSONAL INVITE TO SIT ON THE TEAM WAS REMOVED BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING HAPPENED, BECAUSE HE DIDN’T SHARE THE SAME IDEAS WHAT WAS GOING ON WITHIN SOME OF THOSE ON THE TRANSITION TEAM THAT’S NOT COLLABORATION. I GET THE SENSE WHY FORESTERS ARE GETTING DISAPPOINTED AND UPSET WITH THE PROCESS. YES, MR SPEAKER, OUR P.C. CAUCUS PUT TOGETHER A RESOLUTION IDEA TO PUT US ALL TOGETHER. WHAT A NOBLE IDEA. ELECTED OFFICIALS GET ALONG ON THE COMMITTEE TO REPRESENT ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES GOING ON IN THE PROVINCE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES ANY OF THESE ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL SEE IN THEIR POLITICAL CAREER AND WORK TOGETHER TO SEE AN END TO IT. WHAT A NOBLE IDEA IN AN EELECTED PROCESS. MR. SPEAKER, I’M NOT A FORESTER, BIOLOGIST, I’M A LANDS AND FOREST CRITIC I HAVE WORKED IN THE WOODS IN MY PAST. WHEN I WAS GIVEN THE JOB OF BEING LANDS AND FOREST, I TOOK SOMETHING SERIOUS, TO GET IN THE WOOD AND GET EDUCATED EDUCATED ON WHAT IS GOING ON BOTH SIDES. NOT JUST HARVESTING ASPECT. THE ECONOMICAL ASPECT WE HAVE A TARGET TO PROTECT OUR LAND HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA. I DON’T THINK THERE’S ONE MLA THAT SITS IN THIS HOUSE THAT WOULD ARGUE THE FACT WE NEED TO PROTECT SOME OF OUR LANDS. I DON’T THINK ANYONE WOULD ARGUE THAT FACT. SINCE DECEMBER 20 DECEMBER 20th ANNOUNCEMENT, MR. SPEAKER, EVEN I MYSELF THOUGHT I HAD A GRASP OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN ON THAT 11th HOUR, WAS SET BACK AT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS. MR. SPEAKER, THE FORESTRY SECTOR IS A SPIDER’S WEB. RIGHT NOW THAT SPIDER’S WEB LOST ONE OF ITS LINES. YOU EVER LOOK AT A SPIDER’S WEB WHEN IT LOSES A LINE, THE WHOLE STRUCTURE IS AT A RISK OF CATASTROPHE. THE SPIDER DOES NOT CATCH ITS ENEMY MR. SPEAKER, THE FORESTRY SECTOR BELIEVES THAT’S WHERE THEY’RE AT RIGHT NOW. THEY BELIEVE THEY’RE AT THE RISK OF TOTAL FAILURE THEY SET A GOAL, MR. SPEAKER OF KA WE REACH WHEN THE ROADS CLOSE THIS SPRING? MR. SPEAKER, WE’RE DAYS AWAY FROM THAT RIGHT NOW ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT GOAL POST NOW? BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT GOAL POST THAT WE HAVE A PROSPEROUS FOREST SECTOR AND PROTECTED AREAS AFTER THE ROADS REOPEN. ABLE TO MEET THAT? ONE THING THE PREMIER AND I CAN AGREE ON, THAT IS WE WILL HAVE SOME SORT OF FORESTRY SECTOR IN THE PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA IN YEARS TO COME. ONE THING THE PREMIER AND I MAY DEBATE ON, IS WHAT’S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? AND HOW DO WE GET THERE. MR SPEAKER, RIGHT NOW WE’RE HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR ON A DAILY, NIGHTLY, MID MORNING BASIS THAT THEY DON’T FEEL THEY HAVE A PATH FORWARD. THIS SECTOR DOES NOT FEEL THEY HAVE A PATH FORWARD IF WE’RE GOING TO BE CONDEMNED AS A P.C. CAUCUS FOR TRYING TO STAND UP AND GIVE A VOICE FOR THE FORESTRY SECTOR, SO BE IT BUT I’M NOT GOING TO BE SILENCED FOR THE FORESTRY SECTOR. I STAND EVERY DAY AND SPEAK FOR THE FORESTRY SECTOR, THANK YOU, MR SPEAKER The Speaker: RECOGNIZE THE MEMBER FOR INVERNESS >> BILLS FOR SECOND READING >> BILL 194, HEALTH AUTHORITY TRANSPARENCY ACT >> BILL 194. I RECOGNIZE THE MEMBER FOR A WHILE, SORRY, KINGS NORTH. SORRY ABOUT THAT >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. BEG LEAVE TO MAKE AN INTRODUCTION DRAW THE ATTENTION OF THE HOUSE TO THE WEST GALLERY. WE HAVE LESLIE TILLEY JOAN HAWKEN AND JAMIE HAN DRUCE ANDREWS, PART OF THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH-CARE CRISIS FACEBOOK GROUP. LESLIE TILLEY THANK YOU FOR RISING. GIVE THEM A WARM WELCOME OF THE HOUSE >> THEIR GROUP CONTINUES TO GROW. 9343 MEMBERS

The Speaker: RECOGNIZE THE MEMBER FOR ARGYLE-BARRINGTON >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MR SPEAKER, IT’S MY PLEASURE AGAIN TO RISE IN MY PLACE THIS AFTERNOON AND BEGIN DEBATE ON SECOND READING ON BILL 194. THE HEALTH AUTHORITY TRANSPARENCY ACT. AN ACT TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY TO HEALTH AUTHORITY EXPENDITURES. THIS BILL OR THE PURPOSE OF THIS BILL IS IN ITS TITLE. REQUIRE TRANSPARENCY FROM THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY ON ITS EXPENDITURES SPECIFICALLY REQUIRE THE NSHA TO REPORT SKEND AT AT YOURS GREATER THAN 25,000. EXCEPT FOR PAYMENTS OF DOCTORS TO BE MADE PUBLIC AT THE SAME TIME AS PUBLIC ACCOUNTS ARE PUBLISHED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR AS REQUIRED BY ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT. MR. SPEAKER, HEALTH-CARE IS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR NOVA SCOTIANS. I SAID IT BEFORE. ALTHOUGH SOME DENY IT TO THIS DAY, WE ARE IN A HEALTH-CARE CRISIS. YESTERDAY’S BUDGET WE LEARNED $4.82 BILLION WILL BE SPENT ON HEALTH-CARE IN THE UPCOMING YEAR IN NOVA SCOTIA. THAT’S A WHOPPING 42% OF THE PROVINCIAL BUDGET. MR SPEAKERS R MR NOVA SCOTIANS ARE NOT FEELING THEY ARE GETTING THE VALUE, CARE, SERVICES OF $4.82 BILLION HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM, MR. SPEAKER YESTERDAY WE LEARNED THAT THE BUDGET FOR THE NSHA IS INCREASING 7%. TO ALMOST $1.9 BILLION FROM THE POCKETS OF NOVA SCOTIAN TAXPAYERS. THE GOVERNMENT PASSES THE MONEY TO THE NSHA FOR THEM TO DELIVER HEALTH-CARE AND AT THE END OF THE DAY NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEIR MONEY IS SPENT FROM THIS GOVERNMENT THERE IS LITTLE ACCOUNTABILITY TORE TRANSPARENCY FROM THE NSHA THIS BEING ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THIS BILL AND OTHERS SUCH AS BILL 155, THE HEALTH-CARE ACT TO BE BRUCEED. OUR CAUCUS HAS STOOD FIRM ON TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY WITH NOVA SCOTIANS. THIS IS SOMETHING THE GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY IS FAILING TO DO. AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, NOVA SCOTIANS ARE NOT FEELING AS THOUGH THEY’RE GETTING THE CARE, VALUE OR SERVICES OF A $4.28 BILLION HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM. WE HAVE A FOUR YEAR OLD MEET A FAMILY PRACTICE REGISTRY WHICH THE GOVERNMENT TAUTS AS SUCCESS WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS FAILING TO REALIZE, MR. SPEAKER, WITH THIS REGISTRY IT’S BASED ON THE WILL OF NOVA SCOTIANS TO SELF IDENTIFY ON THAT REGISTRY. – IT’S LIKELY THE NUMBERS CAN BE SKEWED BASED ON NOVA SCOTIA’S REGISTER ONCE, FIND A FAMILY PRACTITIONER. LOSE FAMILY PRACTITIONER, UNFORTUNATELY REGISTER AGAIN. FIND ANOTHER PRACTITIONER. THOSE NUMBERS CAN BE COMPOUNDED IN THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT’S BEING PRESENTED I HAVE TO ASK MYSELF HOW MANY NOVA SCOTIANS FALL INTO THAT, MR. SPEAKER? IN MY PART OF THE PROVINCE, IN THE WESTERN REGION OF THE PROVINCE, UNDER 21511 SELF-IDENTIFIED NOVA SCOTIANS WITHOUT A FAMILY PRACTITIONER AS OF FEBRUARY 2020. THAT’S 11.2% OF THE WESTERN PART OF THE PROVINCE POPULATION. CLOSER TO HOME IN YARMOUTH COUNTY, THERE’S 2742 NOVA SCOTIANS, 11.2% OF THE POPULATION IN THE COUNTY WITHOUT A FAMILY PRACTITIONER. IN SHELBURNE COUNTY, 1264 NOVA SCOTIANS SELF IDENTIFIED WITHOUT A FAMILY PRACTITIONER. 9.1% BOTH NEAR DOUBLE THE PROVINCIAL AVERAGE WITHOUT A FAMILY DOCTOR AGAIN, ALL OF THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON SELF-IDENTIFICATION FRONTLINE HEALTH CARE WORKERS, MR. SPEAKER, THAT WORK HARD DAILY ACROSS OUR PROVINCE TO DELIVER THE BEST CARE WITH THE RESOURCES THEY HAVE, THE PROVINCIAL NUMBERS DO NOT MEET REALITY. BEYOND THE TROUBLES I HAVE EXPLAINED, ACCESSING PRIMARY HEALTH-CARE IN MY PART OF THE PROVINCE, CONTINUES TO BE A LONG WAITS. ACCESS MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, MR. SPEAKER PROLONGED ER WAITS. CLOSED EMERGENCY ROOMS DAILY THAT ARE BECOMING SO PART OF THE REALITY

FOR PARTS OF THE PROVINCE THAT THEY ANNOUNCE ON THE RADIO AS FREQUENT AS THE WEATHER IS BEING ANNOUNCED. ANGER AND FRUSTRATED PHYSICIANS LEAVING REGIONS SUCH AS THE VALLEY BECAUSE THE NSHA BUREAUCRACY. PROLONGED AMBULANCE RESPONSE TIMES. LACK OF SERVICES IN PARTS OF THE PROVINCE SUCH AS DIALYSIS SERVICE WHICH I STOOD ON MY FEET IN THIS CHAMBER BEFORE TO SPEAK ABOUT. CANCER CARE SERVICES WHY THE PEOPLE IN YARMOUTH HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS TO SEE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHEN THEY WILL BE IMPLEMENTED. CLOSURES OF CLINICS, THE CARDIAC CARE CLINIC IN BRIDGEWATER. ALL ARE REASONS NOVA SCOTIANS ARE NOT FEELING AS THOUGH THEY ARE RECEIVING THE CARE, VALUE AND SERVICES OF A $4.82 BILLION HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM. ALMOST HALF OF OUR PROVINCIAL BUDGET, MR SPEAKER, GOES TO DELIVERY OF HEALTH-CARE. A LARGE PORTION OF THAT BUDGET GOES TO NSHA BUREAUCRACY IN HALIFAX THAT PERPLEXES NOVA SCOTIANS, SLOWTDED SHROUDED IN A VEIL OF SECRECY CLOSED DOOR MEETINGS TAKEN AWAY LOCAL DECISION MAKING THAT FAILS TO IMPLEMENT ANY LOCAL DECISION MAKING. THAT DOESN’T ANSWER TO TAXPAYERS OF NOVA SCOTIA. AND THAT DOESN’T LISTEN TO THE NEEDS OF NOVA SCOTIANS. MR. SPEAKER, NOVA SCOTIANS DESERVE BETTER THEY ALSO DESERVE TO KNOW HOW THEIR MONEY IS BEING SPENT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT WHETHER IT BE THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT. COMMUNITY, CULTURE AND HERITAGE. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THIS BILL HERE WILL HAVE TWO BENEFITS. IT WILL CAUSE THE NSHA TO CONSIDER WHAT THEY’RE SPENDING WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT MADE ITS WAY INTO THE HANDS OF NOVA SCOTIANS. GIVE NOVA SCOTIANS CONFIDENCE EITHER A, THEIR TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT RESPONSIBLY. OR B, IT WILL SHOW THEM WHEN THERE IS WASTE AND DUPLICATION. MR SPEAKER, NOVA SCOTIANS ARE WORKING PEOPLE WHO PAY AMONG THE HIGHEST TAXES IN OUR COUNTRY THEY DESERVE TO KNOW THEIR MONEY IS BEING WELL SPENT AND AN ORGANIZATION ISN’T GIVEN A CARTE BLANCHE FOR YEARLY $2 BILLION EVERY DOLLAR SPENT IN OUR HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM SHOULD BE SPENT TO ENSURE BETTER CARE FOR NOVA SCOTIANS. THIS BILL PUTS TRANSPARENCY MEASURES IN PLACE TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS IT’S GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN RECENT CHANGES ANNOUNCED TO THE NSHA STRUCTURE BEFORE NOVA SCOTIANS BEGIN TO TRUST THE NSHA. TRUST STARTS WITH LOCAL ENGAGEMENT IN DECISION MAKING TRUST STARTS WITH BEING OPEN WITH NOVA SCOTIANS. TRUST STARTS WITH ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY REGARDING OUR PROVINCIAL HEALTH-CARE CRISIS BILL 194, THE HEALTH AUTHORITY TRANSPARENCY ACT WILL ENSURE THAT ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY ARE A PRIORITY FOR THE NSHA. MR. SPEAKER, WITH THOSE FEW WORDS, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE COMMENTS FROM MY HONOURABLE COLLEAGUES. I TAKE MY SEAT. THANK YOU The Speaker: RECOGNIZE THE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH NORTH >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I’M PLEASED TO RISE TODAY AND SPEAK ON BILL 94. SPEAK TO BILL 194 WHICH PROVIDES SOME TRANSPARENCY FOR NSHA. MR SPEAKER, TRANSPARENCY IS IMPORTANT IN THE WORK WE ARE DOING. WE HAVE CALLED ON THE GOVERNMENT MANY TIMES TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT MANY DECISIONS IT HAS MADE. AND SO THIS TRANSPARENCY ACT NOTES QUALITY HEALTH-CARE IS A CONCERN TO ALL NOVA SCOTIANS. WE CAN ALL AGREE. CERTAINLY IN MY COMMUNITY WHEN I KNOCK ON DOORS, DARTMOUTH NORTH, I STILL HEAR THAT HEALTH-CARE IS ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE CONCERNS TO THE FOLKS I REPRESENT. SOME STILL CAN’T FIND FAMILY DOCTORS MPLEGHT THERE’S A GREAT POPULATION OF LOWER INCOME NOVA SCOTIANS THAT LIVE IN DARTMOUTH NORTH THAT NEED BETTER ACCESS TO PRIMARY CARE IN OUR COMMUNITY SO THEY DON’T HAVE TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY. MANY PEOPLE CONTACT ME BECAUSE THEY ARE WAITING FOR TOO LONG FOR PROCEDURES AND SURGERIES AT HOSPITALS. THIS ACT SUGGESTS IT WOULD REQUIRE THE NSHA TO PUBLICLY DISCLOSE PAYMENT IN EXPENDITURE IN EXCESS OF $25,000. IT SEEMS TO ME, MR

SPEAKER, THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY TRANSPARENCY OFFERED IN THIS TRANSPARENCY ACT. WHILE I THINK WE CAN AGREE HEALTH-CARE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, THERE ARE WITHOUT QUESTION MUCH, MANY MORE IMPORTANT HEALTH-CARE ISSUES FACING THE PROVINCE THAN BASED ON AN ARBITRARY AMOUNT OF MONEY MR. SPEAKER, WE KNOW A NUMBER OF THINGS ABOUT HEALTH-CARE RIGHT NOW IN NOVA SCOTIA. SOME F THINGS I’M ABOUT TO SAY ARE NOT VERY GOOD. WE KNOW IN 2015, NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH-CARE WAS FOUNDED. AT THE TIME THE CREATING OF THAT NEW AUTHORITY CREATED CHAOS ON FOCUSING CENTRALIZING DECISION MAKING WE KNOW SOME OF THE REORGANIZATION HAS AGAIN BEEN REORGANIZED. AND WE STAND WITH HOPE THIS NEW REORGANIZATION WILL ALLOW THE PROVINCE TO GET BACK TO THE IMPORTANT MATTER OF CARING FOR THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF NOVA SCOTIANS RATHER THAN CONTINUALLY REORGANIZING AN ADMINISTRATIVE STRUCTURE. LAST YEAR, WHEN THE NSHA SOUGHT FURTHER RESTRUCTURING, THE INTERIM C.E.O. AT THE TIME DESCRIBED THE HEALTH AUTHORITY AS QUOTE OVERLY COMPLEX AND BUREAUCRAT PARTICULAR, CONFUSING AND DOES NOT ALLOW US TO ADDRESS CHALLENGES, END QUOTE. MR SPEAKER, WE KNOW IN NOVA SCOTIA WE HAVE A WORSENING OF OUR HEALTH INDICATORS. THE IMPACT OF HE’LL CARE SPENDING AND INEFFICIENCY IS REPRESENTED IN HEALTH-CARE INDICATORS, INDICATORS HAVE CONTINUED TO WORSEN. NUMBER OF NOVA SCOTIANS WHO FEEL THEY ARE IN GOOD HEALTH HAS DECREASED. THE NUMBER OF NOVA SCOTIANS WITH POOR MENTAL HEALTH HAS INCREASED. THE NUMBER OF NOVA SCOTIANS WITH DIABETES HAS INCREASED. THE NUMBER OF NOVA SCOTIANS WITH HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE HAS INCREASED. THE NUMBER OF NOVA SCOTIANS WITHOUT – SORRY, THE WITH A REGULAR HEALTH-CARE PROVIDER HAS DECREASED. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY DISPARITIES AMONG HEALTH AND WELLNESS ACROSS NSHA ZONES IT’S EVIDENT IN THE DATA. WE SEE DATA TRENDS CONCLUSIVELY ILLUSTRATE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT DISPARITIES, INFANT MORTALITY TWICE AS HIGH IN THE NORTHERN THAN CENTRAL ZONE. A BABY IS TWICE AS LIKELY TO DIE BASED ON WHERE IT IS BORN IN THIS PROVINCE. LIFE EXPECTANCY IN CAPE BRETON IS APPROXIMATELY THREE CAREERS LESS THAN PEOPLE IN THE CENTRAL ZONE. THE MORE AFFLUENT AREAS ENJOY LONGER, HEALTHIER LIVES THAN THE LESS AFFLUENT ZONES. THIS IS TRUE FOR THE CENTRAL ZONE WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT BETTER HEALTH INDICATORS THAN THE OTHER ZONES IT’S FAIR TO SAY IN NOVA SCOTIA, MR. SPEAKER, ONE’S POSTAL CODES DICTATES QUALITY OF LIFE AND HEALTH EXPECTANCY. GETTING BACK TO THE BILL AT HAND, I AM ALL POUR TRANSPARENCY. I THINK THIS GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENT ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES. I WILL REITERATE MAKING ARBITRARY DECISION NSHA SHOULD PUBLICIZE SPENDING OVER 25,000, WHY IS ISN’T IT 15,000? IT’S IMPORTANT FOR NOVA SCOTIANS TO KNOW HOW OUR-MAN IS BEING SPENT SURELY THIS TRANSPARENCY ACT SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT MUCH MORE. IT CAN BE ARGUED ACT FOCUSING ON COSTS ABOVE $25,000 IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS FOCUSING ON THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH OR HEALTH INEQUITIES THAT IMPACT PUBLIC HEALTH. MR SPEAKER, PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEES, HEALTH COMMITTEE, OFTEN BRING UP THE IMPORTANCE OF PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH, HOUSING OR INCOME LEVEL. EVERY TIME I BRING THESE TOPICS UP THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE AISLE FROM ME NOD THEIR HEADS. NORMALLY THEY ARE UPPER LEVEL CIVIL SERVANTS, PUBLIC SERVANTS WORKING IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR DIFFERENT AREAS OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS THEY NOD THEIR HEADS. THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH YET WE DON’T SEE REAL

INVESTMENTS HAPPENING WE. DON’T SEE COLLABORATION AROUND THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH LET’S GET TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT, WHY WE’RE NOT SEEING THAT VERY IMPORTANT AND SOUND INVESTMENT IN OUR PUBLIC, WITH OUR PUBLIC DOLLARS. PERHAPS WE SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHY NOVA SCOTIA WITH ITS WORSENING HEALTH INDICATORS SPENDS LESS ON PUBLIC HEALTH CARE THAN ANY OTHER PROVINCE IN THE COUNTRY MAYBE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHY WITH DON’T SPEND MORE ON UPSTREAM HEALTH SERVICES. TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHY FUNDING FOR WALK-IN MENTAL HEALTH CLINICS ARE BEING FUNDED BY BUT NOT THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS. WHY THE Q.E.W. II REDEVELOPMENT ARE BEING CREATED THROUGH P3 MODELS THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN ASKING TRANSPARENCY ON SINCE I WAS ELECTED. A LONG TIME, MR SPEAKER. WE’RE SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON NEW HOSPITAL REDEVELOPMENT. WE KNOW KNOW WHY MANY OF THE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE. BECAUSE THE REPORTS HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED TO US. WHILE I APPLAUD MY COLLEAGUES FROM THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY ON PRESENTING THIS IDEA OF TRANSPARENCY ON HEALTH, I FEEL THIS BILL DOES NOT GO FAR ENOUGH. WE HAVE A TRANSPARENCY ISSUE IN NOVA SCOTIA. AND WE COULD DO BETTER. THANK YOU WITH THOSE SHORT WORDS, I WILL TAKE MY SEAT, MR. SPEAKER The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX ATLANTIC >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. IT’S MY PLEASURE TO STAND HERE TODAY I’LL TRY TO TAKE THE WHOLE 15 MINUTES. SEE IF I CAN DO IT. I WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS STATISTICS, DATA QUOTED BY THE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH SOUTH. I ASK THOSE NUMBERS BE TABLED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE HOUSE ABOUT THE WORSENING HEALTH INDICATORS FOR NOVA SCOTIANS. I ASK THAT BE SO WE CAN ALL SEE IT AND SEE WHERE THAT DATA IS COMING FROM ANOTHER THING IS ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD WAS THAT NOVA SCOTIA SPENDS THE AT LEAST AMOUNT OF HEALTH-CARE. THAT’S NOT TRUE. A GOOGLE SEARCH WILL SHOW THE BUDGET FOR P.E.I. WAS 1.7 BILLION, 36% OF THEIR BUDGET. NEWFOUNDLAND, LOWER, NEW BRUNSWICK LOWER. WE ARE THE HIGHEST IN ATLANTIC CANADA. ONE OF THE HIGHEST PERCENT-WISE ACROSS CANADA. THAT NUMBER WE TEND TO THROW NUMBERS OUT THERE EVERYBODY HAS STATS. THESE ARE FACTS. IN PROVINCIAL BUDGETS WE SPEND QUITE A BIT OF MONEY SPEND THE LARGEST HEALTH-CARE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF HEALTH-CARE. NOT TO SAY THAT THERE’S NOT MORE TO BE DONE THERE’S ALSO A QUESTION AROUND COLLABORATION. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT SOME TO SOCIAL DETERRENTS THAT’S NOT TRUE. YESTERDAY WE SAW PHOENIX HOUSE, COLLABORATION WITH BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. Y – YWCA. THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IS IN MY COMMUNITY AS IN THE MEMBER DARTMOUTH SOUTH. SORRY, NORTH. BUT THE DIRECTOR WAS HERE YESTERDAY AND WAS RECOGNIZED AND AFTERWARD I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM. HE THANKED A FEW OF US, NOT JUST LIBERALS, BUT I’M SURE HE THANKED THE N.D.P. AND CONSERVATIVES MLAs FOR ADVOCATING ON BEHALF. THIS BUDGET HAD PROVIDED FUNDING, STABLE FUNDING FOR THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WHICH HELPS DEAL WITH SOME OF THE SOCIAL ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITIES. AND FOR MY COMMUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE, AS SOME OF THE MEMBERS ACROSS WOULD KNOW. THEY FILMED, DONE FILMING ACROSS THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IN SPRYFIELD. HOW IMPORTANT THE CLUB IS FOR THIS COMMUNITY. WE SAW MIA. I’M NOT GOING TO TRY AND SAY HER LAST NAME. MIA HAS BECOME A ROLE MODEL FOR MYSELF AND SOMEONE I GO TO WHEN IT COMES TO, ESPECIALLY, ISSUES AROUND HOUSING FOR WOMEN AND SOCIAL ISSUES WOMEN FACE. WE SAW HER IN THE LEGISLATURE TALKING ABOUT MONEY IN THE FEDERAL BUDGET WHEN IT CAME TO HUMAN TRAFFICKING. I HAVE KNOWN MIA, SORRY, THE PROVINCIAL. I HAVE KNOWN MIA FOR A LONG TIME I CAN SAY I CANNOT SAY I DON’T THINK I HAVE SEEN MIA CRY. SHE STOOD THERE IN FRONT OF PEERS, THE PROVINCIAL MEDIA AND WAS PHYSICALLY, EMOTIONALLY OVERWHELMED BECAUSE THE INVESTMENTS THAT WERE BEING

MADE. THAT, MR. SPEAKER, THAT IS COLLABORATION. THAT’S LISTENING. LISTENING TO THE STAKEHOLDERS. THERE’S BEEN HUGE INVESTMENT IN METRIC TURNING POINT. TALK TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF METRIC TURNING POINT. MORE MONEY PUT IN NOW THAN EVER. I’M NOT STANDING HERE PATTING OURSELVES ON THE BACK. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO MOST PEOPLE KNOW I HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP. SHE’S A GOOD EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND DOES A GREAT JOB OF GETTING MONEY. SHE WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH HOUSING AND THE MINISTER OF HOUSING MINISTER OF COMMUNITY SERVICES MINISTER OF FINANCE. AND THE PREMIER AND WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE METRIC TURNING POINT AND WORKING WITH THEM, NOT DICTATING WITH THEM, BUT WORKING WITH THEM AND ASKING THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO HELP US DEAL WITH THE VERY COMPLEX ISSUE OF HEALTH. SO TO SAY THERE’S NO COLLABORATION GOING ON, I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SIX YEARS I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF IT. IT’S EASY TO POINT AT THINGS YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH. AND SAY THERE’S NO COLLABORATION. IT’S EASY TO POINT FINGERS AND SAY THIS GOVERNMENT IS BAD. THAT GOVERNMENT IS BAD OR THIS POLICY IS BAD. THESE INVESTMENTS IN THIS, THIS BUDGET WHICH I’M HOPING MEMBERS OF THE N.D.P. IN PARTICULAR SEE THE – The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE, HONOUR HOUSE LEADER FOR THE OPPOSITION >> THE COLLEAGUE REMINDED ME OF THE BILL WE’RE DEBATING IS TRANSPARENCY OF HEALTH AUTHORITY. I’M SURE THE MEMBER CAN RELATE SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET TO THAT. BUT IN MY MIND, THE DEBATE HAS WAVERED OFF FROM ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE The Speaker: TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX ATLANTIC >> I WAS SITTING IN YOUR POSITION WHEN THAT MEMBER STOOD UP AND TALKED. I GAVE HIM A LOT OF LEEWAY ON THIS TOPIC. IT’S GOOD TO SEE THAT THERE’S MUTUAL RESPECT AND COLLABORATION ACROSS THE AISLE. I SAID TO HIM AFTERWARDS, HEY, I COULD HAVE CALLED YOU OUT POUR FOR THAT LET’S CONTINUE ON. I UNDERSTAND YOU’RE PASSIONATE. THE REASON I’M BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE THAT IS TRANSPARENCY COLLABORATING WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND NOT DOING THINGS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IS TRANSPARENCY MPLEGHT THESE ARE ALL E – WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE QE II OVER $25,000 PAYMENTS PART OF THIS BILL BEING SPENT. WE HAD SOME OPPOSITION FROM MEMBERS ACROSS ABOUT THE WAY THIS IS BEING DONE. THE TRUTH IS IT’S ALL ON-LINE. IT’S ALL ON-LINE I HAVE HAD MEMBERS – I HEARD MEMBERS SAY WHAT IS GOING ON? WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE QE II REDEVELOPMENT. I SAID WHY DIDN’T YOU ATTEND THE 12 COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT HAPPENED OR THE 12 ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HIS HAPPENED? I ATTENDED MOST OF THEM. IT WASN’T IN MY COMMUNITY. NOT IN THE AREA I REMIT. BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT WHY NOT GO ON-LINE. TAKE A MOMENT. I HAD CONSTITUENTS COME UP AND ASK ME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE QE II. I DIRECTED THEM ON-LINE THEY GOT THEIR ANSWER. I CAN SAY I UNDERSTAND THE APPREHENSION FROM OPPOSITION OVER PROJECTS THIS SIZE. I REALLY DO. WE HAVE SEEN GOVERNMENTS IN THE PAST HAVE THEIR HAND ON MASSIVE PROJECTS LIKE THIS. MISTAKES WERE MADE MISTAKES WERE MADE BECAUSE THE TRANSPARENCY WASN’T THERE BECAUSE THERE WASN’T ENOUGH EYES ON THESE PROJECTS. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU’RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE PROJECTS, YOU’RE IN A BUBBLE. IT’S HARD TO SEE OUTSIDE OF THAT BUBBLE. SO I UNDERSTAND WHEN WE SEE THE OPPOSITION SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WANT TO SEE MORE. WE NEED TO HEAR MORE BECAUSE OF PAST MISTAKES OF GOVERNMENT. I CAN’T REMEMBER. I HONESTLY MEAN

THIS, I CAN’T REMEMBER A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE WITH PLANS ON-LINE WITH NONSTOP NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE MUNICIPALITY. NONSTOP NEGOTIATIONS WITH PARTNERS, INCLUDING DOCTORS NOVA SCOTIA HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DOCTORS, THE FRONTLINE WORKERS AND SAYING TO THEM WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEED? WHAT WILL ATTRACT YOU TO COME TO OUR COMMUNITIES? IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT THE QE II. IT’S ABOUT THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT’S BEING SPENT ACROSS THIS PROVINCE FROM GLACE BAY ALL THE WAY IT TO YARMOUTH TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. – ALL THE WAY TO YARMOUTH. IT’S ON-LINE, IN THE BUDGET. DEBATED AT PUBLIC ACCOUNTS. IT WILL CONTINUE TO UNFOLD FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE WE WILL CONTINUE, IN FACT, I OFTEN THINK OF ONE OF OUR, I WOULDN’T SAY “HARSHEST CRITICS OR ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT REALLY FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL FOR HEALTH-CARE REFORM AND HEALTH-CARE INVESTMENT, IS HE NOW THE MEMBER FROM GLACE BAY MIGHT KNOW THIS. IS HE NOW THE DEPUTY MINISTER OR THE QE II DEPUTY MINISTER OF HEALTH BECAUSE DR. ORAL SAW THE ISSUES FIRSTHAND. AND DECIDED TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. AND IF THERE WASN’T TRANSPARENCY, IF THERE, IF PEOPLE DIDN’T BELIEVE WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING WHY WOULD YOU BRING SOMEBODY IN WHO HAS BEEN A CRITIC IN THE PAST. WHY WOULD NOT BRING SOMEBODY IN THAT PAT YOU ON THE BACK AND SAY YOU’RE DOING A GREAT JOB. YOU WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE CRITICAL. EXPERTS. BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER THE RIGHT HEALTH-CARE. AND THE RIGHT HEALTH-CARE MEANS A DIFFERENT THING DEPENDING ON PT COMMUNITY ON THE COMMUNITY YOU LIVE IN. I REPRESENT SPRYFIELD. THE ISSUES THAT WE FACE ARE DIFFERENT THAN SAY THE ISSUES THAT ARE IN YARMOUTH. THE ISSUES IN SYDNEY THE ISSUES IN – SORRY. KINGS WEST. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND WHERE THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT, I CAN TELL YOU WHERE THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT RIGHT NOW. THE NEW BLOOD CLINIC THAT OPENED UP IN SPRYFIELD LAST YEAR. THAT’S WHERE THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT WHEN WE STARTED, THERE WAS MAYBE A DOZEN NURSE PRACTITIONERS WORKING IN NOVA SCOTIA. HOW DO I KNOW THAT? I HAVE A FRIEND WHO IS A NURSE PRACTITIONER WHO CAME TO MY OFFICE SHORTLY AFTER I WAS ELECTED. SHE TOLD ME THAT THE NURSE PRACTITIONERS WERE COMING OUT OF NURSING SCHOOL AND THEY AREN’T EVEN ABLE TO GET THEIR PRACTICUM. THEY WERE MOVING OUT OF THE PROVINCES. I SAID THAT CAN’T BE. I MADE A CALL TO THE DALHOUSIE SCHOOL OF NURSING. I TALKED TO ONE OF THE EXECUTIVES AT THE SCHOOL. THEY WERE SHOCKED A POLITICIAN CALLED TO ASK THEM ABOUT THIS BECAUSE NOBODY WAS LISTENING. NOBODY WAS LISTENING. THEIR WORDS, NOT MINE. IT WAS HARD FOR THEM TO SELL THIS COURSE TO REGISTERED NURSES PRACTICAL NURSES BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT GETTING THE WORK IN NOVA SCOTIA FAST FORWARD, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF NURSE PRACTITIONERS HAVE BEEN HIRED FROM ONE END OF THIS PROVINCE TO THE OTHER AND INTEGRAL PART OF OUR FRONTLINE SERVICES. OVER 440 DOCTORS R DOSHT HAVE BEEN HAVE BEEN HIRED. WE ALSO FACE CHALLENGING DIFFICULTY, DIFFICULT SITUATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PROVINCE. PEOPLE WANT TO WORK IN URBAN CORES FOR THE MOST PART. SO WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND WE HAVE

RECOGNIZED THAT. WE HAVE CREATED INITIATIVES TO HELP THESE DOCTORS COME TO AND THESE NURSE PRACTITIONERS COME TO RURAL AREAS. ANOTHER AREA WHERE THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT IS ON NOT JUST RECRUITING, BUT RETAINING. MAKING SURE THAT DOCTORS WHEN THEY COME TO ANTIGONISH STAY IN ANTIGONISH WE SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY THERE’S WRAPAROUND SERVICES FOR THEM IN THEIR COMMUNITY HAVEN’T MAKING SURE THAT WE BUILD VIBRANT LOCAL ECONOMIES, THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO HIGH SPEED INTERNATIONAL. THAT WE HAVE ROADS THAT ARE PAVED. THESE MIGHT NOT SEEM LIKE THINGS THAT IMPACT YOUR HEALTH-CARE. BUT THEY CERTAINLY DO WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO ATTRACT HEALTH-CARE PROFESSIONALS. I HAVE A FRIEND, I HAVE A COUPLE OF FRIEND THAT ARE REAL ESTATE AGENTS. AND LAURIE AND I HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW DO WE ATTRACT, HOW DO YOU ATTRACT PEOPLE TO RURAL PARTS OF NOVA SCOTIA? SHE SAID ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS PEOPLE ASK ME WHEN THEY MOVER TO THESE MOVE TO THESE AREAS, IS THERE HIGH SPEED INTERNET IN IF NOT, THEY’RE NOT COMING. THIS IS WHY WE SET UP FUNDING TO KEEP PROMISES AND TO FULFILL PROMISES THAT GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN MAKING FOR DECADES. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IN HEALTH-CARE IS GOING, TO FRONTLINE WORKERS, ATTRACTING AND RETAINING. TO BUILDING WORLD CLASS FACILITIES THAT WE HEARD NOT FROM YOU, NOT FROM US, BUT WE HAVE HEARD FROM DOCTORS, NURSES AND STAFF IS THAT THEY ARE TIRED OF LEAKY BUILDINGS, TIRED OF OLD TECHNOLOGY. AND IF YOU WANT TO KEEP US, IF YOU WANT TO RETAIN US, INVEST IN US. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR COLE HARBOUR-EASTERN PASSAGE >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, THAT WAS INTERESTING. I’M PLEASED TO RISE TO STAND ON THE BILL 194, HEALTH AUTHORITY TRANSPARENCY ACT. AND FOR THE INFORMATION OF SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE. THE WORD TRANSPARENCY MEANS HONEST AND OPEN. A QUALITY OF BEING EASILY SEEN AND IF YOU EVER LOOKED AT THE BUDGET BOOKS, OR THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY REPORT, IT IS NOT VERY EASY TO FIND THE INFORMATION. UNDER THE DUTIES OF THE MINISTER OF HEALTH, I’M GOING TO REFER TO THE HEALTH AUTHORITY’S ACT, BILL NUMBER 1 IT SAYS IN THERE THE ROLE OF THE MINISTER OF HEALTH IS TO CONDUCT FINANCIAL AND HUMAN RESOURCES PLANNING. GIVEN THAT THE HEALTH AUTHORITY’S BUDGET IS $1.9 BILLION, THE BIGGEST INVESTMENT IN THIS PROVINCE, THAT PEOPLE WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD GIVE US THE BEST CARE AND THAT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT PEOPLE THINK. PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY IN FACT, THIS ISN’T THE FIRST TIME A TRANSPARENCY ACT HAS BEEN INTRODUCED IN THE LEGISLATURE THERE WAS A 2013 TRANSPARENCY INTRODUCED BY THE LIBERALS BEFORE THEY BECAME GOVERNMENT TRANSPARENCY WAS SOMETHING THEY INTRODUCED AS LEGISLATION. IN 2015, THERE WAS A TRANSPARENCY EXPENSES ACT INTRODUCED BY THE P.C. PARTY. ANOTHER ONE BY THE P.C. PARTY WAS TRANSPARENCY AND MINISTERS EXPENSES ACT. BY THE N.D.P. IN 2018, THE NURSING HOME TRANSPARENCY ACT. SO WE HAVE BEEN CALLING ON TRANSPARENCY IN THIS HOUSE. WHAT WE’RE ASKING FOR WHERE ARE YOU SPENDING THE MONEY? HOW ARE YOU SPENDING IT, NOT JUST A LINE ON A BUDGET WHO ELSE WANT TO KNOW AND ASKS FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY? I’M NOT SURE IF EVERYBODY IS ON FACEBOOK. BUT IF YOU’RE NOT AWARE, I’LL GIVE YOU A RUN DOWN OF THE ONES I’M AWARE OF. NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH-CARE CRISIS GROUP IN THE HOUSE TODAY. NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH-CARE CRISIS FACEBOOK GROUP. MEGA, MAKE EMERGENCY ROOMS GREAT AGAIN. THE FAMILY RALLY FOR HEALTH-CARE. THE NOVA SCOTIA NEEDS DOCTORS FACEBOOK PAGE. THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH COALITION CALLING FOR TRANSPARENCY. WE’RE NOT THE ONLY ONES CALLING FOR IT. BUT EVERYONE IN THIS PROVINCE IS LOOKING FOR IT. WHY DOES THAT MATTER? WHY DOES HOW YOU SPEND

THE MONEY AND WHERE MATTER? WE USED TO BE ABLE TO ASK THAT EVERY WEEK IN THE LEGISLATURE WHEN PUBLIC ACCOUNTS WAS A STRONG COMMITTEE. THIS GOVERNMENT TOOK AWAY TRANSPARENCY. AND NOW WE CAN’T BRING THESE ISSUES UP THERE. SO WE HAVE A NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH COMMITTEE. DURING ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE’RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGETS, THERE WAS A REPORT ON 8-1-1. THE MINISTER OF HEALTH WAS HELD FROM THE COMMITTEE UNTIL AFTER THE COMMITTEE MET WE COULDN’T ASK QUESTIONS THAT WOULD AID IN THE TRANSPARENCY OF HEALTH-CARE IN THIS PROVINCE BECAUSE WE DIDN’T HAVE THE INFORMATION UNTIL THE DAY AFTER THAT COMMITTEE MET. WE’RE ASKING FOR SOMEONE TO SAY THIS IS WHERE WE SPEND OUR MONEY HOW ON EARTH DO YOU ARGUE AGAINST THAT? I’M ASSUMING THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING. I’M ASSUMING THE HEALTH AUTHORITY CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT. ACCORDING TO THE ACCREDITATION REPORT, THE HEALTH AUTHORITY WAS DOING A GOOD JOB KEEPING TRACK OF THE MONEY. I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY IT’S THAT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND WHY ACTUALLY ASKING YOU TO REPORT IT IN A WAY THAT IS OPEN AND TRANSPARENT WOULD BE – The Speaker: REMINE THE HONOURABLEREMIND THE HONOURABLE MEMBER, KEEP COMMENTS DIRECTED THROUGH THE CHAIR. I LET THE FIRST ONE GO. SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES, YOU SEEM TO BE SPEAKING TO THE MEMBERS DIRECT. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR COLE HARBOUR-EASTERN PASSAGE >> SOMETIMES MY EMOTIONS GET AWAY WITH ME. I LOOK DIRECTLY AT THE OPPOSITION. I WANT TO REFER TO THE BUDGET. AND IN TERMS OF TRANSPARENCY AND WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE GOING. AND PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW HOW IF WE’RE SPENDING $1.9 BILLION DO WE NOT HAVE ENOUGH STAFF IN LONG-TERM CARE? DO WE NOT HAVE ENOUGH STAFF PROVIDING MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES IN COMMUNITIES AND IN THE HOSPITAL? HOW IS IT OUR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS ARE CLOSING MORE NOW THAN ANY OTHER POINT? HOW IS IT SO MANY NOVA SCOTIANS DON’T HAVE A FAMILY DOCTOR? THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW. AND ONE CONSTITUENT WROTE TO ME. I’LL TABLE THIS AFTER I READ IT. ATTENTION, BARBARA ADAMS, MLA. CONTINUING CARE CENTRE IS IN CRISIS, STAFF STAFFING, NOT ENOUGH TO PROVIDE CARE STAFF LEAVE AT THE END OF THE DAY. WE DO NOT HAVE THE LUXURY MANDATING TO STAY BACK WAS ALWAYS A LAST RESORT. NOW IT’S A DAILY EVENT. NOT A SAFE PRACTICE WHICH HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON ALL STAFF AND RESIDENTS. THE RESIDENTS’ NEEDS ARE NOT BEING MET. MANAGEMENT IS AWARE, NO SUPPORT IS OFFERED, BECAUSE I HAVE INDICATED FROM MANAGEMENT THEY DON’T HAVE SUFFICIENT FUND WITH NO STAFF, WHY ARE WE ADMITTING NEW RESIDENTS WHEN WE CAN BARELY CARE FOR WHAT WE HAVE. THIS LETTER NEEDS TO GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND FOLLOW THAT UP. I WILL BE PASSING THAT OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. I SEE YOU’RE KEEPING HE’LL CARE IN THE NEWS. TIME FOR THE RESIDENTS AND STAFF IN YOUR CONSTITUENCY ARE LOOKED AFTER. PLEASE HELP US. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST LETTER I HAVE RECEIVED. WHAT I DO KNOW – HEALTH-CARE. AT HEALTH COMMITTEE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR TRANSPARENCY AND HOW MONEY IS BEING SPENT. WIR ASKING ABOUT A CHIEF DENTAL OFFICER, THAT HELPS WITH ACCOUNTABILITY WE FOUND OUT THE CHIEF’S DENTAL OFFICER IS NOT SOMETHING THIS DEPOSIT WAS WILLING TO DO. THEY APPOINTED SOMEONE TEMPORARILY I’M NOT SURE TODAY IF THAT HAS BEEN EXTENDED. FOR ONE DAY A WEEK. THAT’S NOT A GOOD USE OF MONEY. WE DON’T KNOW HOW THE DENTAL PROGRAM IS BEING MONITORED AND WHOSE OVERSIGHT IS THERE. PEOPLE IN THIS PROVINCE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW HOW YOU’RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY. WE TALK ABOUT QE II REDEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE NEEDED THAT HOSPITAL TORN DOWN FOR OVER A DECK INDICATE THE FACT THIS GOVERNMENT — DECADE. THIS GOVERNMENT SPENDING MORE MONEY NOW AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPENDING IT YEARS AGO ISN’T SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. ORTHOPAEDIC WAIT TIMES AND NEW ORTHOPAEDIC SURGERY DEPARTMENTS IN DARTMOUTH. THAT IS TRUE. THEY ARE AMAZING. THEY WERE NEEDED A LONG TIME AGO. WE HAVE WAIT LISTS FOR ORTHOPAEDIC SURGERIES OF OVER 1100 DAYS IN THE PAST THEY HAVE IMPROVED. THEY ARE TWO TO THREE TIMES LONGER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHEN YOU BUILD THINGS AND SPEND MONEY, ARE WE ACHIEVING THE STANDARDS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY? WE’RE NOT. I WANT TO REFERENCE SOMETHING THE MEMBER FROM HALIFAX ATLANTIC

SAID. HE WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THE MEMBER FROM DARTMOUTH NORTH WAS GETTING HER INFORMATION ABOUT HOW BADLY NOVA SCOTIANS ARE DOING IN TERMS OF OUR HEALTH STATUS. I WOULD MAINTAIN EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS THE HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, I CERTAINLY KNOW IT. WE HAVE THE WORST OUTCOMES IN ALMOST EVERY HEALTH CATEGORY GOING. I WOULD ASSUME THIS GOVERNMENT WOULD KNOW THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TAINFORMATION AND NOT NEED IT TO BE TABLED BUT I’M COUNTING ON THE MEMBER FROM DARTMOUTH NORTH TO TABLE SOMETHING WE KNOW ABOUT ON THIS SIDE OF THE LEGISLATURE. – THAT INFORMATION. WE HAVE $500,000 TO BE SPENT ON MENTAL HEALTH. ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT A MENTAL HEALTH WORKER COSTS IN THIS PROVINCE, WE KNOW ADDITIONAL 500,000 WILL EMPLOY APPROXIMATELY SIX TO EIGHT HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. THAT IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW IS THAT MONEY BEING SPENT EFFECTIVELY? WHY WOULD THIS GOVERNMENT NOT WANT THE TRANSPARENCY? OTHER GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS THAT DON’T COST ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT THE HEALTH AUTHORITY COSTS HAVE TO DO THE SAME REPORTING THIS HEALTH AUTHORITY’S TRANSPARENCY ACT IS CALLING FOR. OTHER GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS THAT COST LESS MONEY ARE BOUND BY WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. WHY WOULD THE SINGLE MOST EXPENSIVE DEPARTMENT THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT BE BOUND BY THAT. WE’RE ASKING FOR HOW YOU SPENT THE MONEY. THE GOVERNMENT NOT SPEAKING IN FAVOUR OF THIS DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO ME. IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO MY CONSTITUENTS WHO WANT TO KNOW WHETHER WE’RE GETTING GOOD VALUE FOR OUR MONEY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET. BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ THE BUDGET WHERE MONEY IS GOING TO. I SAID THIS BEFORE, YOU DON’T PROVIDE A SUPPLEMENTAL OF WHAT’S GETTING CUT. WHAT WE’RE LOSING MONEY FOR. THAT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THIS GOVERNMENT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT. I’M GOING TO REFERENCE THE FIRST THING IN THE BUDGET ON HEALTH-CARE. IT TALKS ABOUT THE MONEY, DOCTORS MASTER AGREEMENT. THE MONEY PUT INTO THAT. WHAT IT DOESN’T MENTION THERE HAS BEEN A DISINCENTIVE TO PHYSICIANS ON THE ALTERNATE PAYMENT PLAN THIS NEW BUDGET SUPPOSED TO HELP US RECRUIT PHYSICIANS IS NOT AS HELPFUL TO PHYSICIANS WHO ARE ON THE ALTERNATIVE PAYMENT PLAN, WHO ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY IN THE RURAL AREAS. MY CONSTITUENTS WANT TO KNOW IS THIS INVESTMENT THAT SHIFTS MONEY GOING TO REFLECT IN GREATER ABILITY TO RECRUIT FAMILY DOCTORS TO RURAL AREAS MR. SPEAKER, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL LINES IN THE ACT IT SAYS NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY SHALL PUBLICLY DISCLOSE, I’M GOING TO STOP THERE. WE’RE ASKING FOR PUBLIC DISCLOSURE. WHERE IS THE ARGUMENT WHERE THIS SHOULD NOT BE PUBLIC. THIS IS PUBLIC MONEY. THIS IS YOU AND I REACHING INTO THE POCKETS OF EVERY NOVA SCOTIAN TAKING 1.9 BILLION TO SPEND ON HEALTH-CARE AND WE WOULD LIKE YOU – The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE THE TERM REACHING INTO THE POCKETS OF EVERY NOVA SCOTIAN IS A DOCUMENTED UNPARLIAMENTARY TERM. I’M BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR COLE HARBOUR-EASTERN PASSAGE >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER I’LL SAY THE GOVERNMENT TAXES IN VARIOUS WAYS TO GET THE MONEY TO PAY FOR HEALTH-CARE. NO QUESTION. THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE PUBLIC DISCLOSURE ON THE USE OF PUBLIC MONEY. THAT’S WHAT THIS BILL IS ASKING FOR. THAT’S WHAT THIS PARTY STANDS FOR. IS PUBLIC DISCLOSURE. THE OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY OF HOW WE’RE SPENDING YOUR MONEY WHETHER IT’S EFFECTIVE. ARE WE IN FACT HAVING BETTER HEALTH OUTCOMES ARE WE GAINING IN TERMS OF OUR WAIT TIMES WHICH IF YOU SPEND ANY TIME GOING THROUGH THE WAIT TIMES FOR ALL SORTS OF PROCEDURES ACROSS THIS PROVINCE, YOU WILL SEE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THEM GOING UP, NOT

GOING DOWN. GIVEN THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY WE ARE SPENDING ON HEALTH-CARE IN THIS PROVINCE, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE WORDS PUBLIC DISCLOSURE. THE AMOUNT OF 25,000 IS AN AMOUNT THAT WE USE FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS THEREFORE IT SEEMS REASONABLE THAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS LEGISLATION SECOND REQUIREMENT IN THIS LEGISLATION IS THAT THIS DISCLOSURE MUST BE MADE ANNUALLY AT THE SAME TIME AS THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS ARE PUBLISHED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. IF WE WANT PUBLIC DISCLOSURE OF HOW WE’RE SPENDING MONEY IN EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT, MOST EXPENSIVE ONE, THIS PARTY, THE P.C. PARTY OF NOVA SCOTIA WOULD PROVIDE THAT TRANSPARENCY WE WOULD PUBLICLY DISCLOSE HOW FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT BECAUSE THAT’S THE RIGHT OF EVERY NOVA SCOTIAN TO KNOW HOW WE WOULD SPEND THEIR MONEY. AND WHETHER THAT IS IN FACT RESULTING IN AN IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR HEALTH STATUS. THANK YOU, MR SPEAKER The Speaker: REMIND THE HONOURABLE MEMBER TO TABLE THE DOCUMENT. THE EMAIL YOU QUOTED FROM EARLIER. WE’LL MAKE SURE IT HAS AN AUTHOR NOTED ON IT HONOURABLE HOUSE LEADER >> THAT CONCLUDES OPPOSITION BUSINESS. HAND THE REINS OF POWER TO THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER The Speaker: HONOURABLE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER >> THE N.D.P. HAS IDENTIFIED THEIR TOPIC FOR THE ADJOURNMENT DEBATE. I LIKE TO ASK CONSENT TO MOVE TO THE MOMENT OF INTERRUPTION TO NOW AS OH TOESED OPPOSED TO LATER The Speaker: IS IT AGREED? >> AGREED The Speaker: WE WILL MOVE ON TO LATE DEBATE. THE MOMENT OF INTERRUPTION AND THAT TOPIC ONCE AGAIN. FOR THOSE WHO MAY HAVE MISSED IT EARLIER AS SUBMITTED BY THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX WHICH HE HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO. THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB OF MANAGING ELL S HEAD. THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY EXPRESSING MY APPRECIATION TO THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER FOR PERMITTING THE ADJOURNMENT DEBATE TO GO FORWARD THIS AFTERNOON. FOLLOWING MY MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE SUBMISSION DEADLINE FOR LATE DEBATE. – THE RESOLUTION THAT IS BEFORE US WHILE IT WILL MAY NOT BE PHRASED PARTICULARLY ELEGANTLY IS PLAIN IN ITS MEANING AND ITS INTENT. NAMELY THAT THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE DONE A MUCH IMPROVED JOB IN THE MATTER OF ITS HANDLING OF OWL’S HEAD PROVINCIAL F PROVINCIAL PARK. KEY WORDS HERE, PROVINCIAL PARK. THESE ARE WORDS WE USE ADVISEDLY, BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF THE SEMANTIC WAFFLING WHICH IN MY VIEW THE GOVERNMENT HAS ENGAGED IN OVER THIS SUBJECT, THE PUBLIC HAS FOR AT LEAST 40 YEARS HAD, I’M SPEAKING IN PARTICULAR OF THE PUBLIC OF THE EASTERN SHORE, FOR AT LEAST 40 YEARS HAS HAD EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE LANDS WE’RE SPEAKING OF HERE WERE LANDS IN SOME RESPECT, AT LEAST, UNDER SOME PIECE OF LEGISLATION SOMEWHERE WERE PROTECTED BY THE PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA FOR FUTURE USE. THIS WAS NOT A FRIVOLOUS UNDERSTANDING, BUT A GROUNDED UNDERSTANDING. LET ME OUTLINE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY THIS IS SO. CONSERVATION SPECIALISTS SPOKE IN JANUARY AT THE PUBLIC MEETING POSITIVE CONCERN HELD IN SHEET HARBOUR ON THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE RECORD OF MATTERS ON THE BASIS OF WHICH REASONABLE PEOPLE IN THE AREA HAD COME TO THE UNDERSTANDING THE DEPOSIT WAS EXTENDING SOME FORM OF PROTECTION TO LITTLE HARBOUR AND OWL’S HEAD. THEY MENTIONED THE PARK WAS INCLUDED IN THE JUNE 1980 EASTERN SHORE PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN AS IT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE EDITION THAT YEAR OF THE MAGAZINE CONSERVATION WHICH MEMBERS WILL REMEMBER MANY OF US, FORMER QUARTERLY PUBLICATION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES THEN IN 2009, THE DETERMINATIONS OF THE FOREST FORUM WERE MADE

PUBLIC. THIS WAS A PROCESS THAT INCLUDED OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME A GREAT DEAL OF EXTENSIVE PUBLIC INPUT AND COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION. AND IN THE CONCLUDING REPORTS FROM THE FOREST FORUM, OWL’S HEAD WAS INCLUDED UNDER THE HEADING TIER RUN HIGH VALUE CONSERVATION LAND. IN 2011, OWL’S HEAD PROVINCIAL PARK WAS LISTED ON GOVERNMENT MAPS UNDER THIS HEADING, 12% LAND FOR REVIEW GOVERNMENT MAP SERIES PUBLISHED BY THE PROTECTED AREAS BRANCH OF THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENT. MORE FAMILIARLY IN 2012, OWL’S HEAD PROVINCIAL PARK APPEARED IN THE PROVINCIAL PARKS MAPS SERIES. THE CASE UNTIL EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN THAT MAP WAS REMOVED FOLLOWING THE BREAKING OF THIS STORY. THE PARK APPEARED ON THE LAND AND FORESTRY MAP TITLED PARKS AND RECOLLECTED AREAS. A SYSTEM FOR NOVA SCOTIA. IT WAS THEREFORE A REASONABLE THING THAT THE PEOPLE OF LAKE CHORE LOT, MUSQUODOBOIT HARBOUR AND SURROUNDING AREA ASSUMED THIS WAS A PIECE OF LAND THAT ENJOYED SOME FORM OF GOVERNMENT PROTECTION. THIS IS WHY DESPITE THE FACT SOME MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNMENT HAVE FOUND IT SURPRISING. THIS IS WHY THERE WAS SUCH A SUDDEN EXPRESSION OF OUTRAGE AND DEEP PUBLIC SURPRISE WHEN PEOPLE BECAME AWARE OF A PLAN THAT HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN REVEALED BY MEANS OF WHICH THE GOVERNMENT WAS MAKING WAY FOR A POTENTIAL SALE TO A DEVELOPER. WHEN ALL OF THAT CAME TO LIGHT. AFTER THOSE YEARS OR CAREFUL, MAPPING, SURVEYING, LIST, REVIEWING, PUBLIC CONSIDERATION OF OWL’S HEAD AS A COASTLINE TO BE PROTECTED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS AND HELD IN THE PUBLIC TRUST FOR THE INDEFINITE FUTURE, THE THING IS ALL IT TOOK FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO REVERSE THIS 40 YEARS OF PARTICIPATION AND PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING WAS THE FEW SECOND INVOLVED IN THE ENACTING OF THIS CONFIDENTIAL SOMETHING CALLED A MINUTE LETTER. I MUST ADMIT, MR. SPEAKER, UNTIL THIS CONSTITUTION CAME FORWARD ABOUT OWL’S HEAD, I HAD NEVER HEARD OF A MINUTE LETTER. GRANTED I HAVE NEVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE CABINET. NEVERTHELESS, I HAVE BEEN AROUND THIS WORK FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. IT’S NEVER A CATEGORY I AT LEAST HAD HEARD ABOUT. I FIND I’M NOT ALONE LAST THURSDAY, THERE WAS ON THE OPENING DAY OF THE LEGISLATURE, A DEMONSTRATION OF 150, 200 OR SO PEOPLE HERE EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT’S ACTION IN THE OWL’S HEAD CASE I HAD THE OCCASION TO SPEAK TO THAT DEMONSTRATION. AND ASKING ABOUT THIS UNDERSTANDING. THIS WAS TRUE OF ME. I NERD F NEVER HEARD OF NEVER HEARD OF A MINUTE LETTER. ANYBODY HEARD OF A MINUTE LETTER. I’M PLEASED THE FAMILIARITY WITH PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE OF THE NUMBER OF OPPOSITE MEMBERS, BUT WHEN I ASKED THAT QUESTION, THERE WEREN’T ANY HANDS WENT UP AT THE TIME THIS HAPPENED, I ASKED SIRI. SIRI, WHAT’S THE STORY ON A MINUTE LETTER? SIRI GENERALLY HAS SOMETHING TO SAY SIRI HAD NO ANSWER. SIRI’S COUSIN, MR. GOOGLE DIDN’T HAVE AN ANSWER EITHER. THAT’S BECAUSE A MINUTE LETTER IS IS A THING THAT IS OF ITS NATURE BEHIND A WALL OF SECRECY AND CONFIDENTIALITY IN A CABINET NOW, AFTER THE REVELATIONS OF DECEMBER, WHICH I WILL SAY AGAIN AS I SAID EARLIER TODAY, WE WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IN THE PUBLIC AT ALL, BUT TO THE DILIGENT WORK OF A DILIGENT JOURNALIST, THERE WERE PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF WHO ASKED THEMSELVES, CAN THIS ACTUALLY HAPPEN? CAN YOU HAVE AN AREA THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD FOR A LONG, LONG TIME IS UNDER A FORM OF GOVERNMENT PROTECTION, THAT IT HAS ALL THIS DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THIS PROTECTION. AND THIS THE GOVERNMENT IS ABLE TO REMOVE THAT PENDING STATUS WITHOUT ANYBODY EVEN BEING TOLD? HOW IN THE WORLD COULD THAT TAKE PLACE? IT WASN’T LONG AFTER THOSE

REVELATIONS WERE PUBLISHED IN DECEMBER ABOUT WHAT HAD TAKEN PLACE THE PREVIOUS MARCH, THAT MORE INSIGHT CAME FORWARD INTO THE MECHANISM AND THE MEANS OF THIS PROCESS BY WHICH THIS HAD HAPPENED. THIS WAS REVEALED WHAT HAD TAKEN PLACE TO THE PUBLIC NAMELY. A SERIES OF MEETING BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNMENT AND FORMER LIBERAL CABINET MINISTER, WHO STATES GOAL ACTION LOBBYIST REGISTRY, I QUOTE, ACQUISITION OF AND ACCESS TO CROWN LAND FOR LIGHT HOUSE LINKS. LIGHT HOUSE LINKS, MR SPEAKER, IS A GOLF COURSE DEVELOPER. SO A PICTURE APPEARS OF CONVERSATIONS WHICH TAKE PLACE WITH THE GOVERNMENT WITH FRIEND OF THE GOVERNMENT. WHICH TAKES PLEASE WITH EASE AND ACCESS AND INFLUENCE AND I WOULD SAY PRIVILEGED CONSIDERATION PRIVILEGED IS THE WORD I USE BECAUSE IT IS PRIVILEGED OVER GIVEN MORE IMPORTANCE. GREATER CREDENCE THAN THOSE DECADES OF WORK. ALL THOSE YEARS OF CONSIDERATION. ALL THOSE CONSULTATION. ALL THOSE EVENINGS WHICH PEOPLE CAME OUT TO TAKE PART IN MEETINGS. ALL OF THAT IS WEIGHED ON THE SCALE AND NOT GIVEN THE SAME WEIGHT AS ACCORDED TO THAT SERIES OF MEETINGS THAT TAKE PLACE WITH THAT GOVERNMENT LOBBYIST WHICH LEAD TO THAT DECISION BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. NOW, I WANT TO SAY THAT AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS PUZZLE WORTH SPEAKING ABOUT IS THE 2012 PARKS AND PROTECTED AREAS PLAN. THIS IS A DOCUMENT FROM WHICH I’LL SAY HAS BEEN REMOVED AS THE PLAN ASSEMBLED BY OUR N.D.P. GOVERNMENT IN 2012 THAT LAID OUT THE PATH TO PROTECTING ALMOST 14% OF THE PROVINCE’S LAND MASS STRATEGY OUTLINED A PATH TO GO FORWARD BEYOND THE CURRENT TARGET FOR LAND MASS PROTECTION OF 13% AND IT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENT. AND IMPORTANT PROCESS. I WOULD LIKE TO AGAIN UNDERSCORE THAT IT WAS THE RESULT OF EXTENSIVE PUBLIC CONVERSATION, EXTENSIVE PARTICIPATION FROM ALL ACROSS THE PROVINCE. I WANT TO ECONOMIC, MR. MR. SPEAKER, I HAVE ONLY THREE SECONDS LEFT The Speaker: THAT IS THE CASE. – >> NOT IN THE WORDS OF THIS RESOLUTION, AS GOOD AS A JOB ABOUT OWL’S HEAD, THANK YOU The Speaker: HONOURABLE MINISTER OF LANDS AND FORESTRY >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WON’T BE AS FUNFY ON THIS – FUNNY ON THIS FILE. I’LL TRY AND CLARIFY FACTS AROUND THE PROCESS ON HOW WE LOOK AT CONSIDERING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT DEAL WITH CROWN LAND IN THE PROVINCE. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THIS LAND IS NOT LEGALLY PROTECTED WHETHER IT WAS CONSIDERED PROTECTED. ON MAPS IDENTIFIED AS OWL’S HEAD PROVINCIAL PARK. IT WASN’T A LIST OF AREAS TO BE CONSIDERED FOR PROTECTION. THERE WERE GOVERNMENTS AFTER GOVERNMENTS THAT HAD A CHANCE TO PROTECT IT, INCLUDING THE N.D.P. GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN PUTTING TOGETHER THE PLANS. THEY CHOSE OVER THE FOUR-AND-A-HALF YEARS THEY WERE NOT TO PROCEED WITH PROTECTING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. THERE ARE A LONG LIST OF OTHER LAND AREAS ACROSS THE PROVINCE IN THAT PLAN. GOVERNMENT HAS SHOWN COMMITMENT TO LOOKING AT THAT NOT ONLY THAT LIST. WE PROTECTED OVER, IN FACT, OVER 100 DIFFERENT SITES FROM THAT PLAN SINCE WE CAME INTO GOVERNMENT SINCE 2013. BUT WE HAVE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER AREAS IN THE PROVINCE THAT WARRANT CONSIDERATION FOR LOOKING AT BIODIVERSITY FEATURES ON THE LAND WHILE LIFE ON THE LAND AND CONSIDERATION FROM THE COMMUNITY. NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAVE ADDED TWO AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN PROTECTED FROM THAT PIECE OF LAND FROM THAT PLAN. WE HAD A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY BROUGHT FORWARD TO US BY ELECTED MEMBERS THAT PRESENT CONSTITUENTS IN THAT AREA, INCLUDING THE MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT AND MLA AND NEIGHBOURING MLAs WHO SAID THERE IS A STRONG LOCAL SUPPORT FOR A POTENTIAL PROJECT. THE PROCESS TO GO FORWARD WOULD HAVE BEEN TO LOOK AT IT IS ON A LIST OF POTENTIAL PROTECTED AREAS WE SHOULD CHECK IN WITH POLICY AND TREASURY BOARD BECAUSE IT IS A POLICY SHIFT IN HOW WE TREAT THAT AREA. IT’S NOT A PUBLIC MEETING. TREASURY BOARD HAS NEVER BEEN A PUBLIC MEETING OPPOSITION AND OTHERS CAN CALL IT A CLOSED DOOR MEETING TO SUIT THEIR NARRATIVE. BUT THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT IT WE DECIDED TO GO THROUGH THAT WOULD BE

PRUDENT SO OTHER ELECTED MEMBERS AT THE TABLE COULD WEIGH IN OUR MANDATE UNDER LANDS AND FORESTRY AND ENVIRONMENT IS TO PROTECT 13%. WE’RE ON OUR WAY TO GET TO 13%. WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY NON GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION COME IN ADVOCATING FOR THE PROTECTION OF OWL’S HEAD AS A PRIORITY. THEY HAD A LIST OF DIFFERENT PRIORITIES WE PAID SPECIAL ATTENTION TO. WENTWORTH VALLEY. McGOWAN LAKE. LONG LIST OF OTHER ONES. THOSE TYPES OF AREAS THAT WERE ADVOCATED FOR, PRIORITIZED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT AND WE LOOK AT THE OTHER AREAS THAT WOULD BE PRIORITIZED FOR A RANGE OF VALUES TO LOOK AT PROTECTION THIS INTERNAL STAFF ALSO DO THAT. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ON ONE LIST SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN ENVIRONMENT OR LANDS AND FORESTRY OF THIS POTENTIAL AREA BEING PRIORITIZED ABOVE OTHERS FOR PROTECTION. WE THEN ONCE WE HAD AUTHORITY FROM THE MINUTE LETTER, THAT’S HOW EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH TREASURY BOARD TO CONSIDER THE APPLICATION. WUBS ONCE THE APPLICATION PROCEEDS, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STEPS. THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO HAVE PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR A POTENTIAL PROJECT HE WANTED TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY TO HELP WITH ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES IN AN AREA THAT DOESN’T HAVE OPPORTUNITIES. WE DECIDED TO PUT TOGETHER A REQUIREMENT IN THE APPLICATION THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN. WE WOULD APPROVE BEFORE HE WOULD START THAT PLAN UNFORTUNATELY WE’RE AT A JUNCTURE WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A PAUSE. WE DON’T KNOW IF THAT DEVELOPER WANTS TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROJECT POTENTIAL. BUT IF HE DOES, WE’LL CONTINUE ON WITH THE REGULAR PROCESS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IF FROM THE START THAT DOESN’T PRECLUDE TO CONSULT WITH THE MI’KMAW. IT’S NOT ONLY THE LOCAL VOICE. IT’S EARLY IN THE PROCESS. THERE’S ALSO THE VOICE OF OUR MI’KMAW PARTNERS WHO HAVE A RIGHT TO START TO ENGAGE IF THERE WAS A POTENTIAL SALE ON ANY CROWN LAND WHAT THEIR VIEW IS ON THE MATTER. IF THERE ARE – IF THERE IS A POSITION THEY COULD EITHER SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT A POTENTIAL PROJECT. THAT’S NOTHING TO SAY THAT THEY WOULDOR NOT. IT’S JUST A STEP IN THE PROCESS THAT WE DIDN’T GET TO YET. YES, THE INFORMATION DID GET BROADCASTED OUT TO ALL NOVA SCOTIANS. THERE ARE VARYING VIEWS OF DIFFERENT GROUPS. SOME NOVA SCOTIANS THAT DON’T WANT ANY F LAND THAT’S ON CROWN LAND USED FOR ANY ECONOMIC POTENTIAL ON THE GOVERNMENT SIDE, WE THINK WE CAN DO BOTH. WE HAVE SHOWN WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT IN A MYRIAD OF WAYS WHEN WE CAME INTO GOVERNMENT, THE PROTECTED LAND IF THE PROVINCE WAS LESS THAN 10% IT’S CLOSE TO 13%. WE ARE NEARING OUR GOAL. PUTS US BEHIND ONLY B.C. AND ALBERTA FOR PERCENTAGE OF LAND PROTECTED WE KNOW WE HAVE WORK TO DO. IT BECOMES MORE OF A CHALLENGE BECAUSE OUT OF OF OUR CROWN LAND PERCENTAGE, 13%. – -30%. IT’S IMPORTANT TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT TYPE OF STATEMENT. IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT ALL CROWN LAND, THAT MEANS NO FORESTRY, NO MINERAL DEVELOPMENT, A LOT OF OTHER THINGS PEOPLE RELY ON FOR THEIR LIVELY HOOD, ESPECIALLY IN RURAL NOVA SCOTIA. THOSE DISCUSSIONS NEED TO TAKE PLACE WHEN WE’RE TRYING TO BALANCE THE NEED TO EXPLORE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, AS WELL AS PROTECTING THE HIGHEST CONSERVATION. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ONLY ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THIS DISCUSSION. WE HAVE SHOWN IN MANY OF THE MAJOR DECISIONS THROUGH FOR CONSIDERING R CONSIDERING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS LOOKED AT THE EVIDENCE AND HOW IT WOULD BE IN THE OVERALL PUBLIC INTEREST. IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT WOULD BE NOT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST FOR A POLITICIAN TO SAY WE WON’T CONSIDER A PROJECT JUST BECAUSE IT IS ON A LIST FOR POTENTIAL PROTECTION. AGAIN, THE FACT MATTER IN THE CASE OF LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. IF THERE’S VALUE WE CAN LOOK AT FOR A PROJECT THAT MAY ACTUALLY HELP IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT INITIATIVES FOR ECO TOURISM, WHICH IS A VISION OF THE PROJECT. 100 WILD ISLANDS IS A

GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE AREA TO LOOK AT BRINGING PEOPLE TO THE AREA. HOW DOES THAT WORK? AND COINCIDE WITH THE POTENTIAL GOLF COURSE? I’M NOT SPEAKING TO THOSE THAT ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST DEVELOPMENT OR THOSE THAT ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST GOLF COURSES PER SE. MOST REASONABLE NOVA SCOTIANS I THINK WOULD WANT ANY GOVERNMENT TO EXPLORE ANY OPPORTUNITY IN ANY AREA IF IT WOULD HELP THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO HELP CONSERVE THE GENERAL ENVIRONMENT, THANK YOU, MR SPEAKER The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SACKVILLE BEAVER BANK >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR SPEAKER. I COME BACK TO THE WORDING OF THE RESOLUTION HERE BEFORE US AS SUBMITTED BY THE LEADER OF THE N.D.P. PARTY. BE IT RESOLVED THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE DONE THINGS BETTER AT MANAGING THE ISSUES AT OWL’S HEAD. AND I DO SUPPORT EXACTLY WHAT’S WRITTEN THERE. I FEEL THE GOVERNMENT HAD OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THEY COULD ARE DEALT WITH THIS FILE IN A BETTER WAY THAT WOULD HAVE BETTER SERVED THE GOVERNMENT, THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA. BETTER SERVED THE DEVELOPER THAT WAS COMING FORWARD WITH A PROPOSAL. AND BETTER TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE THERE. MR. SPEAKER, THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES WE DON’T NECESSARILY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO DO THINGS, WE HAVE A MORAL RIGHT TO DO THINGS. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HISTORY WHICH THE LEADER OF THE N.D.P. WENT INTO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF OWL’S HEAD AND HOW IT’S BEEN PERCEIVED BY RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA, THAT IS IT WAS GOING TO BE A PROTECTED AREA ON A LIST. I THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAD A MORAL OBLIGATION TO GO OUT AND CONSULT WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA PRIOR TO DISCUSSIONS WITH OR FURTHERING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER PRIOR TO RAILWAY MOVING THAT PROPERTY OFF OF A LIST VIA MINUTE LETTER AND I CERTAINLY, I CAN TALK FOR AGES ABOUT HOW I FEEL ABOUT HOW THAT PROPERTY WAS REMOVED. I RECOGNIZE IT WAS NOT ON A PROTECTED LIST, BUT IT WAS ON AS A POTENTIAL. THE RESIDENTS OF OWL’S HEAD AND EASTERN SHORE WERE UNDER THE PERCEPTION, SOMETIMES PERCEPTION IS REALITY FOR A LONG TIME THEY HELD THE PERCEPTION THAT LAND WAS GOING TO BE PROTECTED. WHETHER IT’S BECAUSE CURRENT, PAST GOVERNMENTS OR WHATEVER, IT DIDN’T GET PROTECTED. HOWEVER, IT WAS STILL ON THE POTENTIAL LIST AND RESIDENTS FELT IT WAS GOING TO BE. GOVERNMENT HAD A RESPONSIBILITY TO TO GO BACK AN CONSULT. I LISTENED WHEN THE PREMIER HAD SUGGESTED AFTER IT WAS REMOVED AND IF THERE WAS A PROPOSAL OR OPTION TO BUY COME FORWARD, THEN THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE CONSULTATION. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, MR. SPEAKER, IS THERE’S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY THAT OCCURS. AND I DID ATTEND A PUBLIC MEETING HELD UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS HELD BY A COMMUNITY GROUP WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAD A SLANT. THEY WERE AN ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP. I SUPPORT THE STAND THEY WERE ON HOWEVER, IF THE GOVERNMENT HAD HELD THAT PUBLIC CONSULTATION AND MEETING VERSUS INDEPENDENT COMMUNITY GROUP, I THINK THAT THE FEEDBACK THE GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE RECEIVED WAS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT I HAD RECEIVED. THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE. THAT ARE IN FAVOUR OF THIS AS WELL AS PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO SEE IT REMAIN AS A ENVIRONMENTAL AREA. I GUESS WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS, THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE DONE THIS BETTER. THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE WENT OUT HOSTED A PUBLIC MEETING. PUT RESIDENTS’ QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND PUT THEIR MINDS AT EASE INSTEAD WHAT HAPPENED. THE MEETING I ATTENDED AND FOR THE RECORD, THE LEADER OF THE N.D.P PARTY WAS THERE AS WELL AS TWO OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR CAUCUS ATTENDED THAT MEETING. AND WHAT I SAW WAS NEIGHBOUR AGAINST NEIGHBOUR. VOLUNTEER COMMUNITY GROUP PITTED AGAINST VOLUNTEER COMMUNITY GROUP. AND NOTHING THAT WAS OFFICIALLY GIVEN TO GIVE ANY DIRECTION TO ANYBODY IN POWER TO MAKE A DECISION. AND THEREFORE WE ARE NOW WHERE WE ARE WHERE WE HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO WAS WILLING TO LOOK AT INVEST INVESTING INTO THIS PROVINCE WALKED AWAY FROM THIS ISSUE RESIDENTS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TAKING THIS ISSUE TO COURT WHEN WE GO BACK TO WHAT THE TOPIC OF LATE DEBATE IS. THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE DEALT WITH THIS JOB, DONE A BETTER JOB AT MANAGING OUTLINE’S OWL’S HEAD WE’RE NOT GETTING INTO THE DISCUSSIONS AROUND THAT AREA BEING

IDENTIFIED AS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA WITH A UNIQUE ECOSYSTEM. I’M NOT GETTING INTO ALL THAT. I’M TOTALLY TALKING ABOUT GOING OUT AND HOLDING THE PUBLIC CONSULTATION. EVEN FROM THAT, THE OPTICS, I RECOGNIZE THERE ARE SOME THINGS NOT IN THE CONTROL OF THIS GOVERNMENT OPTICS TO HAVE A PREVIOUS MINISTER WHO IS NOW ADVOCATING AND WORKING FOR THE DEVELOPER HERE, ALL THAT DID WAS ADD ADDITIONAL FUEL TO THE FIRE AND THE CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS HAD BECAUSE THEY FEEL NOT ONLY IS THIS LAND TAKEN OFF THE LIST AND IT’S DONE VIA A MINUTE LETTER WHICH NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT OR WHAT IT IS, AND REALLY NOT A REAL TRANSPARENT AND OPEN WAY TO REMOVE THE PROPERTY. BUT THAT CREATED CONCERN. CONCERNS FROM THE FACT THAT THE GENTLEMAN PUSHING IT FORWARD IS A FORMER CABINET MINISTER OF THIS GOVERNMENT. THAT FUELED ANXIETY. IF THIS GOVERNMENT INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND HAD ACTUALLY GONE OUT AND HELD THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE PUT EVERYBODY’S MIND AT EASE AND I THINK THE GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE SEEN THE SAME THING I SAW. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE CONCERNS IN REGARDS TO THE ECOSYSTEM THERE. I DON’T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING THERE THAT COULDN’T HAVE BEEN RESOLVED WITH COMPROMISES. IF THE GOVERNMENT HAD WENT OUT AND CONSULTED. I WILL SAY THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE. I WAS QUITE SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT STOOD UP, WHO HAD OPINIONS COUNTER TO WHAT THE HOUSE MEETING HAD. THEY EXPRESSED THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A GOLF COSHES COURSE THERE THEY WERE IN FAVOUR OF THE DEVELOPMENT THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THE COIN UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT DIDN’T HOLD MEETINGS THIS HASN’T HAPPENED, ALL THIS ANXIETY AND ULTIMATELY WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING THE DEVELOPER WHO IS LOOKING AT INVESTING INTO IN PROVINCE, LOOKING AT CREATING JOBS, WHO I SINCERELY FEEL WAS CONCERNED AND ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS AND TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT DEVELOPER WALKED AWAY. WE HAVE LOST THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND I CERTAINLY, ALTHOUGH AS THE CRITIC OF ENVIRONMENT AND PUT ENVIRONMENT AT THE FOREFRONT OF MY MIND, I AT THE SAME TIME FEEL THAT RECOGNIZED NEED FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS PROVINCE THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ONE. I KNOW THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT HAD TAKEN A BETTER LEAD OF THIS, THAT A COMPROMISE WOULD HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED. BEEN GOOD FOR EVERYBODY ALL AROUND THIS PROVINCE. I’M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THAT. WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE, THANK YOU The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR NORTHSIDE WESTMOUNT ON THE TOPIC OF LATE DEBATE. NO OTHER SPEAKERS FOR THE TOPIC OF LATE DEBATE, WE WILL GO BACK TO THE HONOURABLE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER >> WOULD YOU PLEASE PROCEED TO THE CONTINUATION OF OPPOSITION REPLIES TO THE BUDGET SPEECH The Speaker: CONTINUE ON WITH OUR REPLY TO THE BUDGET SPEECH. HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR NORTHSIDE WEST MOUNT WITH 48 MINUTES >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. 48 MINUTES. MY SPEECH IS ONLY 20 PAGES. BUT IT IS DOUBLE SPACED AND IT’S A LARGER FONT. YOCH I DON’T HAVE TO WEAR MY BI-FOCALS. I MET HIM HALFWAY. MR. SPEAKER, YESTERDAY THIS GOVERNMENT UNVEILED 2021 2021 BUDGET PROJECTS A SURPLUS TO THE TUNE OF $55 MILLION. ON THE SURFACE, THE OPERATING BUDGET AND PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED CAPITAL BUDGET OF JUST OVER 1 BILLION, BEING THE LARGEST CAPITAL BUDGET IN OUR PROVINCE’S HISTORY WOULD PRESENT NOVA SCOTIA AS A PROVINCE OF SOUND FINANCIAL FOOTING. EVERYTHING IS COMING UP ROSES. FROM DECEMBER’S INTERIM FINANCIAL UPDATE, REVENUES GREW 156 MILLION EXPENSES INCREASED 89 MILLION ONE COULD ASK HOW COULD EXPENSES GROW FROM DECEMBER FORECASTS BY $89 MILLION IN JUST UNDER THREE MONTHS. I DIGRESS. WHAT IS THE NET RESULT OF ALL THIS FORECASTED BUDGET SURPLUS, 8 MILLION HIGHER THAN BUDGET,

5 MILLION IMPROVEMENT FROM DECEMBER’S UPDATE. GIVEN THE MATERIAL CHANGES SINCE THE LAST FORECASTS UPDATE IN DECEMBER, I WILL BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHERE THE FINAL YEAR END NUMBERS LAND WHAT ADDITIONAL COSTS REMAIN UNREALIZED. CLOSURE OF NORTHERN PULP IS EVEN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT DID NOT MODEL UNTIL AFTER THE FINAL DECISION WAS MADE NOT TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE I’M HERE TO SPEAK TO THE CURRENT BUDGET AND FUTURE. WE WILL AWAIT THE AUDITOR GENERAL’S REPORT ON IN THE COMING MONTHS AN IMPRESSIVE DOCUMENT. YEAR OVER YEAR REVENUES WILL INCREASE 186 MILLION TO 11.5 MILLION SPENDING INCREASE 136 MILLION MR. SPEAKER, FOR 20-21. THE DEPOSIT SAYS WE WILL SEE A SURPLUS OF $55 MILLION, BUT, MR SPEAKER, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE PROVINCE IS BENEFITING FROM AN ADDITIONAL – -395000000. THIS LOOKS GREAT. THE QUESTION COMES, THIS GOVERNMENT HAS AND IS CONTINUING TO BENEFIT FROM OTTAWA’S CONTINUED DEFICIT SPENDING. WHEN THE TAP IT AND YOU TURNED OFF, WHERE WILL THIS PROVINCE BE? WILL WE BE FORCED INTO RUNNING DEFICITS. BAD DEBT REVENUE FROM PROVINCIAL SOURCES HAS REMAINED FLAT FOR THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS DECREASING IN THE UPCOMING YEAR FACE F GREAT ECONOMIC UNKNOWN OF NORTHERN BLOOD PRESSURE IS A 5 MILLION-DOLLAR DECREASE A BEST CASE SCENARIO? FURTHERMORE, THE PROVINCE NATION AND WORLD ARE IMPACTED BY INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL EVENTS THAT COULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR PROVINCE AND IT’S FINANCES IN THE COMING YEAR. WHAT HAS BEEN AND WILL BE, WILL THERE BE LASTING IMPACT FROM THE RAIL DISRUPTIONS TO OUR PROVINCE? GETTING PRODUCT TO MARKET HAS BEEN IMPACTED. WE HAVE HEARD OF PROPANE SHORTAGES. MR. SPEAKER, MY OWN CONSTITUENCY CITY, A FACTORY IS LOW TO MAKE ITS OWN PRODUCTS. LOBSTER EXPORT ISSUES WITH CHINA DUE TO THE IMPACT OF THE CORONAVIRUS. A GROWING HEALTH CONCERN AS WE’RE SEEING THE VIRUS EXPAND ITS REACH ACROSS THE GLOBE. WITH HEALTH EXPERTS BEGINNING TO GO STATE WE ARE HEADED TOWARDS A POTENTIAL PANDEMIC FOR NOVA SCOTIANS THIS CAN NO LONGER BE VIEWED AS OCCURRING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD. IT’S HERE IN CANADA AND UNFORTUNATELY IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT IS HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA. HOW PREPARED THIS DEPOSIT AND HEALTH SYSTEM TO HANDLE THE VIRUS SHOULD CASES BE IDENTIFIED HERE. HOW PREPARED ARE WE SHOULD IT BECOME A PANDEMIC? THE COMING YEAR IS FRAUGHT WITH TREATS TO OUR PROVINCE AND RESIDENTS. IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR THE GOVERNMENT INCREASED SPENDING IN 15 OF THEIR 19 DEPARTMENTS GIVEN THE TOTAL INCREASES OF 400 MILLION, ONE WONDERS WHAT DID THE MINISTERS OF AGRICULTURE, BUSINESS AND FISHERIES AND SENIORS DO TO SEE BUDGETS DECREASE. DECREASING IS A CONCERN, ONE WONDERS WHAT THE AGING POPULATION, HOW APPEAR DEPARTMENT OF SENIORS AND BUDGET REMAIN ESSENTIALLY STATIC DECREASING BY 10,000. ,000 INCREASES TO THE NOVA SCOTIA CHILD TAX BENEFIT. STANDARD HOUSEHOLD RATE. AFFORDABLE RENTERS PROGRAM. MORE MONEY FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN. ACTION PLAN TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS THESE INITIATIVES AND EXTRA SPENDING ARE POSITIVE IN AND OF THEMSELVES. BUT THE QUESTION THAT COMES TO MIND NOW IS WHY NOW, MR. SPEAKER. TOTAL, THESE PROGRAMS ACCOUNT FOR 59 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL SPENDING. GIVEN THIS GOVERNMENT BROUGHT DOWN FIVE SURPLUS BUDGETS, WHY ARE THESE PROGRAMS NOT INTRODUCED OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS? WHAT TOOK SO LONG FOR THIS GOVERNMENT TO ACT. WHY NOW? THESE ARE NOT ISSUES, THESE ISSUES ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT HAVE JUST COME UP IN THE PAST YEAR, MR. SPEAKER THIS PAST FALL, MY COLLEAGUES FROM PICTOU WEST INTRODUCED KEY LEGISLATION AIMED AT ADDRESSING HUMAN TRAFFICKING. THIS TBOFT GOVERNMENT IS TO BE COMMENDED

MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDS IN ALLOCATING 1.4 MILLION TOWARDS THIS ISSUE BEARS MERIT LITTLE SURPRISE HEALTH-CARE, THE DEPARTMENT HAS STRUGGLED IN THE FACE OF SHORTAGES OF PROFESSIONALS ACROSS THIS PROVINCE. INCREASED ER WAIT TIMES AND FRUSTRATED PUBLIC OUR HEALTH-CARE PROFESSIONALS FROM NURSES TO DOCTORS TO PARAMEDICS TO THE SUPPORT STAFF, THEY ALL HAVE AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICE AND CARE TO OUR PATIENTS. INCREASED FUNDING FOR THE IWK ADDRESSING DOCTORS’ COMPENSATION ISSUES. FUNDING FOR NURSING SEATS. THESE ARE ALL NOT NEW, MR SPEAKER. ONES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS AGAIN, I ASK WHY NOW? WAIT TIMES AT THE CAPE BRETON REGIONAL HOSPITAL FOR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ARE ONE YEAR THE GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSE, EXTRA 55 CENTS OR $550,000 TO THE DEPARTMENT. MR. SPEAKER, THE GOVERNMENT PLANS TO SPEND ADDITIONAL 692,000 TO ADD 70 ADDITIONAL NURSING SEATS 692,000 IS WHAT THIS COSTS ANNUALLY. FOR THE SAKE OF SAVING $2.8 MILLION OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, THE GOVERNMENT DELAYED ADDING 70 MUCH NEEDED NURSES WHO COULD HAVE BEEN GRADUATING AND ON THE JOB IN HOSPITALS NOW. MR. SPEAKER, WHEN I LOOK AT MY OWN COMMUNITY, I SEE CAPE BRETON UNIVERSITY AS A BRIGHT LIGHT. IMPACT THE UNIVERSITY HAS HAD WITH GROWING ENROLLMENT. DIVERSITY AND VIBRANCY STUDENTS BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY, IT SHOWS NOT JUST HOW OUR SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES CONTRIBUTE NOT ONLY TOWARDS BETTERING OURSELVES, AND OUR COMMUNITY, BUT TO ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THE COMMUNITIES ECONOMICALLY. THAT SAID, MR SPEAKER, THE ADDITIONAL SPENDING ANNOUNCED IN THE AREA OF EDUCATION SHOULD NEVER BE THOUGHT OF AS A BAD THING. THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. MR SPEAKER, THE PRE PRIMARY PROGRAM HOLDS POTENTIAL. THIS GOVERNMENT’S LACK OF PROPER PLANNING IN ROLLING IT OUT IS OF CONCERN. THE BUSING OF PRE PRIMARY STUDENTS, MOBILE CLASSROOMS FOR SPACE, RELOCATING GRADE FIVE STUDENTS TO MIDDLE CLASSES, OPEN UP SPACE. ALL SPEAK TO A PROGRAM THAT WAS RUSHED OUT THE DOOR FASTER THAN A STUDENT WHEN THE BELL RINGS BUSINESSES IN THE PROVINCE WILL SEE CORPORATE TAXES DECREASE JUST A FEW SHORT WEEKS AGO, THE PROVINCE ANNOUNCED INTENTIONS TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE BY ONE DOLLAR. FAR TOO MANY OF OUR WORK FORCE RELY ON MINIMUM WAGE JOBS. THESE INDIVIDUALS STRUGGLE MONTHLY. THIS INCREASE IN THEIR WAGES WILL SERVE TO HOPEFULLY MAKE THEIR LIVES A LITTLE BETTER. WHAT WILL BE THE COST OF THIS RATE INCREASE? WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED COST OF THIS INCREASE. MR. SPEAKER, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ARE THE ENGINE THAT DRIVES OUR ECONOMY ADDING ADDITIONAL PRESSURES WILL LEAD TO TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT OF INCREASING SALES PRICES AND BUSINESSES REDUCING STAFFING THROUGH EFFORTS TO INCREASE EFFICIENCIES. ONE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER HAS TOLD ME FACED WITH THIS INCREASE, HE WILL BE GOING FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE OF NEW MACHINERY THAT WILL REPLACE UP TO SIX EMPLOYEES ALL IN AN EFFORT TO MANAGE COSTS. INCREASING MINIMUM WAGE IS ONLY A WIN-WIN FOR THE GOVERNMENT. THEY WIN THE SUPPORT OF THE MINIMUM WAGE EARNER. ON THE OTHER HAND THEY INCREASE THEIR REVENUE THROUGH ADDED TAXES. WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS BUDGET THE PROVINCE ANOTHERRED $5 MILLION FOR THE FILM TAX CREDIT — INCREASING TO $25 MILLION. THIS IS WHERE THIS FUND WAS AT PRIOR TO THE GOVERNMENT’S TINKERING WITH THE PROGRAM IN 2014. – -16000000 INTO THE ANIMATION TAX CREDIT BRINGING THE TOTAL FOR FILM TAX FUNDING TO $41 MILLION. THE INDUSTRY WAS DEVASTATED IN 2014 I CAN’T HELP BUT WONDER WHERE WOULD THE INDUSTRY BE NOW IF IT HAD NOT BEEN SHORT

CIRCUITED AN ACQUAINTANCE OF MINE HAD HIS CAREER PULLED OUT FROM UNDER HIM. AS A RESULT, HE HAD TO LEAVE NOVA SCOTIA FOR WORK AND SPENDS MUCH TIME TRAVELLING FOR WEEKS ON END AWAY FROM HIS WIFE AND SMALL CHILDREN AS A RESULT OF THIS GOVERNMENT’S DECISION AND IMPACT ON THE INDUSTRY LAST WEEK THE CAPITAL BUDGET WAS RELEASED FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR $1 BILLION, THIS REPRESENTED 51% INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR’S COMMITMENTS. THIS PLAN IS AMBITIOUS TO SAY THE LEAST. NEW SCHOOLS, INVESTMENTS OF 100 MILLION, 166 MILLION TOWARDS PURCHASE OF P3 SCHOOLS 209 MILLION TOWARDS THE REDEVELOPMENT OF OUR HEALTH-CARE FACILITIES AND HOSPITALS. NO ONE CAN ARGUE INFRASTRUCTURE DEFICIENCIES HAVE BEEN LONG OVERDUE THIS ATTENTION. THIS PLAN WILL INCREASE OUR DEBT 500 MILLION THIS YEAR WITH A ADDITIONAL INCREASES F 700 MILLION, 900 MILLION AND 600 MILLION THROUGH 23-24. OUR DEBT WILL BE 17.9 BILLION AT THAT POINT. THIS GOVERNMENT IS BETTING ON THE FUTURE AND IN THE CASE OF HEALTH-CARE, WHERE MUST FACILITIES WILL LABEL TO RECRUIT DO , AND HEALTH-CARE PROFESSIONALS, THE QUESTION, MR SPEAKER, IS WHY THERE’S BEEN THE COST OF DELAYING THESE INVESTMENTS. INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPITAL ASSETS AGE. THE DELAY IN COMMENCING MANY PROJECTS WILL LEAD TO COSTS – COSTS TO REHABILITATE THEM BEING HIGHER THAN HAD THE GOVERNMENT ACTED EARLIER IN ITS MANDATE. THE PLAN REFERRED TO THIS IS A GOOD DEBT. HISTORY WILL BRING US TO THE POINT WE CAN OR CANNOT MAKE THAT ASSERTION. IF THE PROJECTS ARE COMPLETED ON TIME AND BUDGET, ONLY THEN WILL WE KNOW IF THIS WAS GOOD DEBT. I WILL SAY THE INTENTIONS ARE GOOD BUT THESE PROJECTS ARE COMPLEX, MASSIVE IN SCOPE AND HAVE RISK GIVEN THESE PROJECTS ARE GOOD DEBT, WHY NOW? WHY NOW? WHY NOT TWO, FOUR, SIX YEARS AGO? WHY NOW? ONE FINAL POINT, MR SPEAKER, RELATED TO THE QE II REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT WILL BE A P3 MODEL CURRENTLY. I WONDER WHAT THE COSTS WILL BE WHEN WE PURCHASE THE FACILITY. THIS ISN’T LIKE A SCHOOL, MR SPEAKER. WE CAN’T NOT AFFORD TO BUY IT HERE WE ARE SEVEN YEARS LATER. WE’RE NO FARTHER AHEAD WITH DOCTORS. BASED ON CONTINUED ER WAIT TIMES, IT WOULD SEEM THINGS HAVE GOTTEN WORSE. FACILITIES WILL TAKE SEVERAL YEARS TO COME ON-LINE PROVIDED THERE ARE NO ISSUES OR COST OVERRUNS. NOVA SCOTIANS CAN’T AND SHOULDN’T HAVE TO WAIT SEVERAL YEARS TO FINALLY GET A FAMILY DOCTOR. SURGEON PHIL SMITH HELD AN INTERVIEW REFLECTING ON THE CAUSES OF HIS DEPARTURE FROM THE REGIONAL HOSPITAL. FURTHERMORE, THE CAPE BRETON MEDICAL STAFF ASSOCIATION REQUESTED THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY TO CHANGE LEADERSHIP AT THE HOSPITAL. DOCTORS WANT TO HEAL. DOCTORS WANT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY AND RESPECTFULLY THEY DON’T WANT TO SPEAK UP THEY JUST WANT TO DO THEIR JOBS AND THAT’S WHAT THEIR PATIENTS AND NOVA SCOTIANS WANT. DOCTOR DO SPEAK OUT, I’M REMINDED WHERE THERE’S SMOKE, THERE IS FIRE, THE OLD ADAGE. MR. SPEAKER, THIS BUDGET LAID OUT ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO INCREASE STOOND LOAN FORGIVENESS TO THE TUNE OF $2.2 MILLION. ANY FUND DIRECTED – ANY FUNDS DIRECTED TOWARDS GRADUATES FOR DEBT RELIEF IS A GOOD THING. HOWEVER, MR SPEAKER, I BELIEVE THERE’S A SEGMENT OF GRADUATES NOT TREATED FAIRLY. GRADUATES OF NOVA SCOTIA UNIVERSITY WHO REMAIN IN NOVA SCOTIA TO WORK ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE THE PROVINCIAL PORTION OF THEIR STUDENT LOANS FORGIVEN THIS ENCOURAGES YOUNGER GENERATION TO SEE CONTRIBUTE AND HELP GROW AND RAISE FAMILIES HERE. STUDENTS WHO STUDY OUTSIDE THE PROVINCE. PROVINCE WHO ATTENDS A UNIVERSITY IF NEW BRUNSWICK, QUALIFIES FOR NOVA SCOTIA STUDENT LOANS. WHEN THEY COME BACK TO NOVA SCOTIA, START THEIR CAREER HERE, THEY’RE NOT ENTITLED TO THAT SAME LOAN FORGIVENESS

MR. SPEAKER, AT PRESS TIME, THERE WERE CURRENTLY STAFF WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS. STAFF POSITIONS ARE 10436.1. THIS MEANS THERE ARE 358 POSITIONS ON HOLD THROUGH VACANCY, STAFF HIRING FREEZES AND THE LIKE. MY AREA HOSPITAL STAFF ARE SUFFERING FROM THESE POLICIES, HOSPITAL STAFF ARE OFTEN HAVING TO DO THE WORK OF TWO OR THREE MISSING COLLEAGUES. STAFF ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK EXTRA TIME WE WORK WITH OVERSTRESSED STAFF WHO WOULD RATHER THAN BEING ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB 100%, HAVING TO DO MULTIPLE JOBS AT AROUND 75% THIS IMPACTS NOVA SCOTIANS IN THE SERVICES WE SEE. AND CONTRIBUTES TO REDUCED MORAL AND PRIDE IN ONE’S WORK. I HAVE REVIEWED THIS BUDGET SEVERAL TIMES NOW. I SEE INITIATIVES FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING COMMUNITY SERVICES. HELD CARE SMALL BUSINESS. BUT I DON’T SEE ANYTHING FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS THE MIDDLE CLASS ALONG WITH OUR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ARE THE BACK-BONE OF OUR ECONOMY. DPI ALL THIS BUDGET HAS, FOR ALMOST EVERYONE, WHAT ABOUT THE THE MIDDLE CLASS? THEY ARE FORGOTTEN ONCE DEPEND. THIS BUDGET AND CAPITAL PLAN INTRODUCED AT THE END OF THE DAY LATE TO ACTION. THANK YOU, MR SPEAKER The Speaker: HONOURABLE HOUSE LEADER FOR THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> THANK YOU, MR SPEAKER. I’M HONOURED TO RISE IN MY PLACE AND RESPOND TO BUDGET 20-21 ON BEHALF OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY. OPTIMISM, CYNICISM, AND A BURNING DESIRE TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. MR. SPEAKER, AS NOVA SCOTIANS, WE ARE OPTIMISTIC. WE ARE RESILIENT WE DO THE WORK WE NEED TO DO THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT IS TO ENSURE NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO SERVE AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP THEM THRIVE. THE PEOPLE OF DARTMOUTH SOUTH, MY OWN CONSTITUENCY ARE OPTIMISTIC. WHEN I TALK TO MY FRIEND AND NEIGHBOURS, MY CONSTITUENTS, WHAT THEY TELL ME IS THEY LOVE THIS PLACE. LIFE IS NOT ALWAYS EASY. THEY ARE SOMETIMES CONCERNED ABOUT THE WORK WE NEED TO DO AS NOVA SCOTIANS. WORK AROUND ENSURING THEY CAN STAY IN THEIR APARTMENTS, FIND DOCTORS ACCESS HEALTH CAIVER HEALTH-CARE. AFFORD GROCERIES. THEY ARE READY TO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES. BUT THE QUESTION IS ARE WE? SOME OF THE HEADLINES BREED OPTIMISM, MR SPEAKER. ATTENTION FINALLY TO POVERTY REDUCTION. TO THE NEEDS FOR ADEQUATE HOUSING. THESE ARE THINGS OUR CAUCUS HAS BEEN TIRELESSLY ADVOCATING FOR SINCE THIS GOVERNMENT TOOK OFFICE. WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE INCREASE IN THE NOVA SCOTIA CHILD BENEFIT. AND HAPPIER STILL OUR PLEAS HAVE NOT FALLEN ON EXPIRELY DEAF EARS, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH THIS BUDGET. WE TAKE OUR SEATS TODAY WITH SOME PRIDE AS WE ARE REMINDED THE WORK WE DO – ENTIRELY. THIS WORK WE DO MATTERS. UNFORTUNATELY, MR SPEAKER, OPTIMISM IS TEMPERED WHEN WE SEE THE GOVERNMENT GIVING WITH ONE HAND THE VERY GIFTS IN SO MANY CASES THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN AWAY WITH THE OTHER. IN MANY WAYS, THIS GOVERNMENT IS TELLING NOVA SCOTIANS THEY ARE DOING THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WHEN THEY ARE IN FACT MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO. WE HAVE BEEN CONDITIONED FOR THIS. THE CYCLE OF SPEND AND DISAPPOINTMENT AND SPEND AGAIN. PLENTY TO LIKE ABOUT THIS BUDGET. BUT ELECTION OR NO, IT COMES ON THE HEELS OF SEVEN YEARS OF AUSTERITY. THAT BREEDS CYNICISM. WE ARE SEEING THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DATE IF HOUSING AFTER SOUNDING THE ALARM FOR YEARS. STORY AFTER STORY TO

THE MINISTER AND TO THE FLOOR OF THIS HOUSE. WE WILL SEE 39 UNITS THIS YEAR, MR. SPEAKER 39. 131 OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. THIS IS NOT EVEN A SIGNIFICANT FRACTION OF THE WAIT LISTS THAT THE HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEFORE THEM NOW. NOT TO MENTION COUNTING OTHER PEOPLE LOOKING ON THEIR OWN. RENT SUPPLEMENTS DON’T WORK IN A MARKET OF UNDER 1% VACANCY. THEY ARE COMPLICATED AND COSTLY FOR LANDLORDS. NOT THEIR FIRST CHOICE WHEN THEY CAN AFFORD TO PICK FROM APPLICANTS FOR EVERY APARTMENT. WE HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR RENT CONTROL LEGISLATION. THE GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN OUR ADVICE IRONICALLY WHEN THIS COMES TO THEIR OWN PROGRAMS, HOME WARMING PROGRAMS AND RENT SUPPLEMENT, LANDLORDS WHO PARTICIPATE ARE LIMITED TO RENTAL INCREASES TIED TO CPI THAT BREEDS CYNICISM, MR SPEAKER. THE PREMIER SAYS RENT CONTROL DOESN’T WORK. BUT HIS OWN GOVERNMENT USES IT REGULARLY. THERE’S $17.3 MILLION IN THIS BUDGET FOR DCS TRANS FOR PAYINGS. MOST PEOPLE 2% INCREASE IN THE STANDARD HOUSEHOLD RATE. WHAT THE GOVERNMENT FAILS TO MENTION IS THIS COMES ON THE HEELS OF THE LONGEST RATE FREEZE IN HISTORY. MR. SPEAKER, THE 2% INCREASE MOST PEOPLE RECEIVE GIVES LESS PERCENTAGE PURCHASING POWER. IF RATES WERE INDEXED TO CPI, WE NEED TO SEE 2.6% TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO. FORGIVE US FOR NOT APPLAUDING THIS INVESTMENT UNLIKE THE 70 MILLION-DOLLAR CORPORATE TAX CUT, THIS INCREASE TOOK SIX YEARS. WE KNOW MOST RECIPIENTS ARE VULNERABLE NOVA SCOTIANS STILL CHOOSING BETWEEN HOUSING AND GROCERIES. THE GOVERNMENT IS INVESTING IN ARTS AND CULTURE, MR. SPEAKER. THERE WAS A GREAT ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY ABOUT THE BUS STOP THEATER, NEW ART GALLERY BUDGETED FOR. THESE ARE WELCOME. NEEDED INVESTMENTS IN OUR CULTURAL SECTOR. BUT NEEDED EVER MORE BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF THIS GOVERNMENT. I SHOULDN’T HAVE TO REMIND ANYONE IN THIS CHAMBER OF THE BIGGEST INSULT TO THE CULTURAL SECTOR AXING OF THE FILM TAX CREDIT THIS PREMIER PROMISED TO PROTECT. THREE YEARS AGO, MR SPEAKER. FEELS LIKE ANCIENT HISTORY, DOESN’T IT? BUT IT’S NOT. IT’S NOT THE PEOPLE IN THE CULTURAL SECTOR REELING FROM THAT BOONDOGGLE OF A DECISION EDUCATION, WE’RE HEARING ABOUT INVESTMENTS IN THE INCLUSION REPORT. WE DON’T GET DETAILS THAT $15 MILLION, MR. SPEAKER, COMES WITH A ROAD MAP. BUT THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT FOLLOWING IT OR AT LEAST THEY’RE NOT TELLING US ABOUT IT. MEANWHILE, THEY ARE REFERRING THE DIRECTION OF THE COURTS TO REVERSE THEIR LEGAL DECISION TO REMOVE SPECIALISTS FROM THE NOVA SCOTIA TEACHERS UNION, SPECIALISTS THAT HELP THE VERY CHILDREN AT THE CENTRE OF THIS 15 MILLION-DOLLAR INVESTMENT. WE’RE HEARING ABOUT INVESTMENTS IN PRE PRIMARY, BUT IN MY DISTRICT, PRE PRIMARY MEANS KIDS IN PORTABLES IN A SCHOOL THAT ISN’T THREE YEARS OLD. NEARBY REGULATED CHILD CARE CENTRES STRUGGLE. THE ECEs HAVE TO BE CONTENT WITH FEWER BENEFITS AND LESS THAT CAN THAN COUNTERPARTS IF PRE PRIMARY. IT WAS THIS GOVERNMENT THAT TRIGGERED FIRST AND ONLY TEACHERS STRIKE. CONSISTENTLY WORKED TO WEAKEN UNIONS AND SENT OUR TEACHERS TO THE PICKET LINE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY WHILE LOCKING OUR STUDENTS OUT OF THEIR SCHOOLS. I HAD TWO CHILDREN IN PRIMARY. THEY MISSED THEIR CHRISTMAS CONCERT FOR THEM IT WAS A REAL BUMMER FOR THE THOUSANDS OF TEACHERS BUMMER, UNPARLIAMENTARY? OK [LAUGHTER] >> BUT ON A SERIOUS NOTE, MR SPEAKER, IT WAS A MASSIVE DISRUPTION TO OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM. DIDN’T NEED TO HAPPEN IT’S ONE THAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS BANKING ON LITERALLY. PEOPLE FORGETTING WHEN THEY GO BACK TO THE POLES. HEALTH-CARE, MR SPEAKER, IT’S HARD TO KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN. AFTER A DISASTROUS AMALGAMATION OF THE HEALTH AUTHORITY THAT LED TO ISSUES WE’RE SEEING TODAY, THIS GOVERNMENT IS SHUFFLING THE CHAIRS IN THE BOARDROOM WITHOUT TRANSLINKCY EDUCATION WITHOUT TRANSPARENCY. LAST SEVERAL

BUDGETS, MR. SPEAKER, THIS GOVERNMENT HAS LEFT MONEY ON THE TABLE FOR HEALTH. WE’RE GETTING HOSPITALS THE LAST BIG PROJECT WAS A FAILURE, Mr. SPEAKER. IN PART BECAUSE IT WAS SECRET AND IT STILL LARGELY. IS FOOL US ONCE, SHAME ON US, BUT FOOL US TWICE, Mr. SPEAKER? HOW ARE WE LEVERAGING THE $200 MILLION HOSPITAL ENTITLEMENT? THE NEXT 50 YEARS, THE LIFE SPAN OF THIS PROJECT. HOW ARE WE LEVERAGING THIS? WE HAVE NO IDEA. BUT Mr. SPEAKER, THE NEXT 50 YEARS WILL LOOK VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE PAST 50 AND IF WE’RE SERIOUS ABOUT THE FUTURE, IF WE’RE SERIOUS FOR THOSE OF NEWS CHAMBER WHO HAVE CHILDREN ABOUT THEIR FUTURE, ABOUT THE NEXT GENERATION OF NOVA A SCOTIANS,PROJECT LIKE THIS MUST ENGAGE THE MOST CREATIVE AND DIFFERENT THINKING ABOUT EVERYTHING ABOUT HEATING AND TRANSPORTATION, ABOUT PARKING AND ENERGY CONSUMPTION. WHAT EVIDENT DO WE HAVE THAT THE PROVINCE IS LEVERAGING THE BIGGEST CAPITAL PROJECT IN RECENT MEMORY TO SERVE THE REAL NEDS OF NOVA SCOTIANS — NEEDS OF NOVA SCOTIANS FOR THE NEXT 50 INJURIES, BEYOND JUST THE ACUTE CARE NEEDS REQUIRED FOR A HOSPITAL WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE, Mr. SPEAKER. WE CAN ONLY HOPE THE PREMIER SAYS I SHOULD BE THANKING THE PROVINCE FOR THE WORK DONE TO THE DARTMOUTH GENERAL. HAVE. AND I I WILL CONTINUE TO. THAT OPEN CONVENTIONAL PUBLICLY MANAGED DESIGN, BUILD PROCESS HAS BEEN A SUCCESS. IT’S A WONDER THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULDN’T TAKE A THIS AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I WASN’T INVITED TO THE OPENING BUT I WENT ANYWAY ON THE TOPIC OF HEALTH, WE ALSO NEED TO WORK HARDER AND BETTER TO ENSURE THAT OUR UP STREAM EFFORTS IN PUBLIC HEALTH AND THE SOCIAL DETERMINE UNANIMOUSLIES OF HEALTH ARE ALSO ADDRESSED, ESPECIALLY IN THE FACE OF THE UNKNOWN IMPLICATIONS OF COVID-19. THIS IS BELOW THE BUDGET STIPULATED BY THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT IT’S LONG SINCE TIME THAT WE CORRECTED THAT, Mr SPEAKER. THE GOVERNMENT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE ARE FACING A CLIMATE CRISIS. AND YET THE INVESTMENT IN MEETING THIS EXISTS THREAT OF OUR TIME DOESN’T COMB CLOSE TO MEETING THE HERCULEAN CHALLENGE BEFORE US. AS WE HEARD IN LAW AMENDMENTS, THE TARGETS ARE NOT STRONG ENOUGH, Mr. SPEAKER WE OUGHT TO BE MEASURING OURSELVES AGAINST SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS, NOT OTHER PROVINCES WE COULD BE LEADERS HERE, Mr SPEAKER, BUT NOTHING POINTS TO OUR DESIRE TO DO THIS AS ONE EXAMPLE, WE SEE THE BUDGET LINE FOR EMO ADJUSTED DOWNWARD IN THIS BUDGET, Mr SPEAKER. THIS AFTER SPIKES IN FORECAST NUMBERS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, FIRST FOR THE SYDNEY FLOODS, THEN FOR HURRICANE DORIAN. Mr. SPEAKER, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ENVIRONMENT, WE CAN NO LONGER RELY ON PATTERNS OF THE PAST TO PREDICT THE FUTURE ARE WE READY FOR THE NEXT DORIAN? GIVEN OUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR CLIMATE ACTION, AND SCIENTIFIC PREDICTIONS? IT SEEMS NOT ARE WE TRULY INVESTING TO ELECTRIFY OUR GRID TO ENSURE WE CAN EXPECT THE HEAT TO STAY ON WHEN THE EMERGENCY HITS NEXT? THE $10 MILLION OF MOSTLY FEDERAL MONEY THAT SEE IN THE ENERGY WE AND MINES BUDGET IS A GOOD START BUT IT’S TOO LATE FOR STARTING, Mr. SPEAKER WE’VE RECENTLY SEEN MONEY FOR THE REMEDIATION OF TWO FORMER GOLD MINES BUT WE KNOW AND THE AUDITOR GENERAL HAS TOLD US THAT THERE ARE SO MANY MORE OUT THERE. WHY AROUND WE BUDGETING FOR THAT? OR MAYBE WE ARE, Mr. SPEAKER? THERE ARE MANY BUDGET ITEMS WE DON’T KNOW THE CONTENTS OF. PREDOMINANTLY, THE $140 MILLION RESTRUCTURING FUND THE LINE FOR UNBUDGETED PROJECTS, THE MYSTERY LINE, Mr. SPEAKER, $140 MILLION WHAT IS IT FOR? ONLY TIME WILL TELL WE HAVE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, $15 MILLION IN EDUCATION WITH NO DETAILS. OFF THE BOOKS, WE HAVE

A $2 BILLION P-3 HOSPITAL ALREADY MIRED IN CONVERSATION BEFORE THE AGREEMENTS ARE SIGNED AND THE GROUND IS EVEN BROKEN Mr. SPEAKER, THIS BUDGET PREDICTS A BORDERLINE STAGNANT ECONOMY WITH VIRTUALLY NO GROWTH OUTSIDE OF SOME OF THE THESE LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS. BUT THERE IS A 5% GROWTH RATE FORECAST. UNLIKE MY PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE COLLEAGUES, I DON’T TAKE ISSUE WITH FEDERAL FUNDS TO HELP FUEL WORK ON CLIMATE CHANGE MITIGATION, HEALTH, AND GENERAL REVENUE, BUT I DO WORRY ABOUT WHAT THE TRUE STATE OF THE PROVINCE’S FINANCES. ARE AND AGAINST THIS UNCERTAIN BACK DROP, Mr. SPEAKER, THESE MAGNIFICENT MONEY MANAGERS BEFORE US HAVE DECIDED ON A $70 MILLION HANDLE-NOW THE THE FORM OF A CORPORATE TAX BREAK TO SOME OF THE RICHEST CORPORATIONS IN THE WORLD. AND YET THIS GOVERNMENT IS NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE A SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT THIS HAND-OUT WILL CREATE EVEN A SINGLE JOB. CORPORATIONS ARE RESPONSIBLE TO THEIR SHAREHOLDERS. ALTHOUGH THE ECONOMY BENEFITS FROM THEM, NOT ALL NOVA SCOTIANS ARE SHAREHOLDERS OF LARGE CORPORATE PLAYERS, Mr. SPEAKER. WE ARE, HOWEVER, ALL SHAREHOLDERS OF AN EVEN BIGGER ENTITY THAN NOVA SCOTIA GOVERNMENT. AND WE LOOK TO THAT GOVERNMENT TO PAY DIVIDENDS TO THE FOLKS WORKING HARD TO PAY THEIR TAXES, NOT TO GIVE AWAY THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE GOVERNMENT DECLARED A PROVINCIAL STATE OF EMERGENCY FOR A PREVENTIBLE ACCIDENT THAT OCCURRED ON PRIVATE LAND CONCERNING A CRANE THAT WAS INSURED UNDER A PRIVATE POLICY AGAIN, Mr. SPEAKER, WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT WHO THIS GOVERNMENT IS WORKING FOR? WE’VE WORKED FOR MONTHS TO THE GET RELIEF FOR THE SMALL BUSINESSES IMPACTED BY THE ACTION OF THIS GOVERNMENT WE’VE HAD CONVERSATIONS BUT NO MOVEMENT, NO MOVEMENT ON AN ASK IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT WOULD MAKE A TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE TO THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT FORM THE BACKBONE OF THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT OF THIS PROVINCE’S LARGEST CITY. NO MOVEMENT ONLY A TRIGGERING OF THE FEDERAL DISASTER RESPONSE PROGRAM WHICH DOES NOT HELP THEM IN THE SLIGHTEST Mr. SPEAKER, WE NEED THIS PROVINCE TO CARE ABOUT ORDINARY NOVA SCOTIANS AND SMALL BUSINESSES. Mr. SPEAKER, WHEN IT COMES TO LARGE CORPORATIONS, WE KNOW THAT ONE THING THEY’RE LOOKING FOR IS REGULATORY CERTAINTY. WE SAW THAT WITH TECK’S WITHDRAWAL FROM THE FRONTIER PROJECT THIS WEEK CORPORATIONS OFTEN LEAD THE WAY, IN FACT, WHEN IT COMES TO SCENARIO PLANNING AND FUTURE-PROOFING. SO HAVE OFTEN, THEY KNOW WHAT’S NEEDED. WILL THEY TAKE A CORPORATE TAX CUT THAT THEY CAN GIVE TO THEIR SHAREHOLDERS? OF COURSE THEY WILL BAKED INTO THE IT’SCORPORATE STRUCTURE. BUT WHAT’S ANTITHETICAL IS THE IDEA THAT THE PRIMARY REDUCE OF A REDUCTION IN TAXES WOULD BE FOR REINVESTMENT. THERE IS A NAME FOR THAT IDEA, Mr. SPEAKER, IT’S CALLED TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS AND WE FOUND OUT A LONG TIME AGO THAT IT DOESN’T WORK [ Applause ] Mr. SPEAKER, 72%, 72% OF CHILDREN LIVE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. 44% OF CHILDREN IN WHITNEY PIER LIVE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE AND ACCORDING TO STATSCAN, AN AVERAGE OF 25% OF THE CHILDREN IN ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENCIES ALSO LIVE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. THEY ARE FOOD INSECURE. THE INCREASE OF THE NOVA SCOTIA CHILD BENEFIT WILL HELP, BUT SO MUCH MORE IS NEEDED, Mr. SPEAKER. AND THIS IS ANOTHER THROWN A $70 MILLION CORPORATE TAX CUT IS SUCH A CYNICAL MOVE BY ENDORSING THE LARGELY DEBUNKED THEORY OF TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS AS THE PREMIER AND THE MINISTER OF FINANCE HAVE DONE SO MANY TIMES NOW, TELLING US THAT BUSINESSES WILL REINVEST, THEY ARE TELLING NOVA SCOTIANS THAT THIS 70 MILLION CORPORATE TAX CUT WILL HELP THEM AND IT WILL NOT. IT WILL HELP THE FRIENDS OF THIS GOVERNMENT TO ENRICH THEMSELVES AND THEIR SHAREHOLDERS AT THE EXPENSE OF MUCH-NEEDED REVENUE TO FUEL THE PROGRAMS THAT ACTUALLY HELP THE NOVA SCOTIANS WHO ARE MOST IN NEED Mr. SPEAKER, WE ARE NOT PHILOSOPHICALLY OPPOSED TO ECONOMIC GROWTH AS THE PREMIER HAS SUGGESTED. WE BELIEVE IN GROWTH. WE WANT THE KIND OF GROWTH THAT BENEFITS US ALL. WE WANT OUR PROSPERITY TO BE SHARED, Mr. SPEAKER. WE SAW AN INVESTMENT IN SOCIAL ENTERPRISE ANNOUNCED AS PART OF THIS BUDGET. AND THAT’S GREAT BUT SOCIAL ENTERPRISE HAS MORE EXPANDED DEFINITION THAN THE ONE THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS USING HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA, WE HAVE SEVERAL SMALL BUSINESSES WHO ARE WHAT ARE CALLED B CORPS. SOME

OF WHOM THE GOVERNMENT IS RECOGNIZED IN THIS VERY CHAMBER THESE ARE BUSINESSES WITH A TRIPLE BOTTOM LINE. ECONOMIC, ENVIRONMENTAL, AND SOCIAL WHERE DO WE SEE THE SUPPORT FOR THESE BUSINESSES, Mr. SPEAKER? AS PREDOMINANTLY SMALL BUSINESSES, THEY ARE RECEIVING A 5% TAX CUT. A FRACTION OF THE $80 MILLION TITLE TAX CUT FOR BUSINESSES. WHY IS THIS GOVERNMENT ONCE AGAIN IGNORING THOSE WHO ARE LEADING THE WAY TOWARDS THE KIND OF FUTURE THAT NOVA SCOTIANS WANT? THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED OF THIS GOVERNMENT IS WHETHER THEY ARE BUILDING A COMPASSIONATE, SUSTAINABLE, AND DRIVING PROVINCE OR A SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN. NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS WRINGER FOR GENERATIONS AND WE CAN DO BETTER. HOW? WELL, FOR ONE THING, WE COULD HAVE FIXED ELECTION DATES, Mr. SPEAKER IF THE GOVERNMENT TRULY WANTS TO QUELL SPECULATION ON ELECTION SPENDING OR NO, THEN MAKE IT CLEAR. WE COULD HAVE A PARLIAMENTARY CALENDAR. AND ONE THAT REQUIRED ELECTED MEMBERS OF THIS CHAMBER TO SPEND MORE THAN THE AVERAGE OF 60 DAYS OR SO A YEAR DEBATE BEING THE IMPORTANT BUDGETS AND LEGISLATION WHICH IMPACTS OUR STATE WENTS SO DIRECTLY. THESE CHANGES AND OTHERS WOULD ALLOW MLAs, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF NEWS OPPOSITION, TO DO THE WORK THAT WE ARE ELECTED TO DO. INSTEAD, WE’LL BE HERE FAR FEW WEEKS, 10, 12, 14 HOURS A DAY. TASKED WITH RESPONDING TO THE BUDGET, DIGESTING AND COMMENTING ON A RAFT OF LEGISLATION, ASKING IMPORTANT QUESTIONS TO THE MINISTERS ON BEHALF OF OUR CONSTITUENTS, AND THEN, Mr SPEAKER, WE’LL BE DONE. I TAKE MY JOB SERIOUSLY. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND MORE TIME IN THIS CHAMBER REPRESENTING MY CONSTITUENTS, DEBATING LEGISLATION, AND DOING THE WORK OF A LEGISLATOR. IT’S WHAT I WAS ELECTED TO DO >> Mr. SPEAKER, THIS BUDGET READS LIKE A DEATH BED CONFESSION. BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT’S FAILED POLICIES OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, WE NOW HAVE A HEALTH CARE CRISIS, A HOUSING CRISIS, AND POVERTY CRISIS. WE HAVE THE LOWs MEDIAN INCOME IN CANADA. WE HAVE THE HIGHEST POVERTY RATES WE HAVE FAMILIES THAT CAN’T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE AND ARE BEING THROWN OUT OF THEIR LAST RESORT HOTEL ROOMS, SECURED FOR THEM BY A GOVERNMENT WITH NO BETTER OPTION. EMERGENCY ROOM CLOSURES HAVE TRIPLED UNDER THIS GOVERNMENT AND THOUSANDS ARE STILL WITHOUT A FAMILY DOCTOR THE HOSPITAL SERVING CAPE BRETONNERS HAVE THE HIGHEST MORTALITY RATE IN CANADA AND KIDS WHO NEED MENTAL HEALTH CARE IN INDUSTRIAL CAPE BRETON STILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR OVER A YEAR TO BE SEEN. THE MENTAL HEALTH SPENDING IN THIS BUDGETS IS NOMINAL IT’S EASY TO GET LOST IN THE NUMBERS, Mr. SPEAKER, BUT FOR SO MANY NOVA SCOTIANS WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING SEVEN INJURIES TO SEE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGETHEIR TO CIRCUMSTANCES, NUMBERS ARE NOT FRONT OF MIND. NOR DO THEY TAKE KINDLY I DON’T THINK TO THE FINANCE MINISTER’S GOOD DEBT AND BAD DEBT CONVERSATION. OF COURSE, Mr. SPEAKER, DEFICIT SPENDING IS NEVER THE DESIRED WAY FORWARD. THAT BEING SAID, WHEN THE DEBT TO GDP RATIO IS TRENDING DOWNWARDS, WHEN THERE’S ECONOMIC CRISIS AND STAGNATION AS WE HAD IN 2008 AND 9, AND AS WE CERTAINLY MIGHT SEE AGAIN, A GOVERNMENT’S JOB IS TO ENSURE THE SHARED PROSPERITY OF THEIR CITIZENS. MANY NOVA SCOTIANS, Mr. SPEAKER, WOULD TAKE ISSUE WITH THE FINANCE MINISTER’S CHARACTERIZATION AS BORROWING TO BUY GROCERIES AS BAD DEBT BECAUSE MANY NOVA SCOTIANS, Mr. SPEAKER, DON’T HAVE THE CHOICE. THEY BUY GROCERIES WITH DEBT OR DON’T BUY GROCERIES AT ALL. THEY DON’T SEE KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON AS BAD DEBT Mr. SPEAKER, NOVA SCOTIA IS AN INCREDIBLE PLACE. IT’S TRITE NOW TO TALK ABOUT YOU’RE PEOPLE, OUR NATURAL BEAUTY, OUR HOSPITALITY, OUR FOOD. I’M SICK OF THE TERM WORLD CLASS, Mr SPEAKER. BUT TRUTH BE TOLD, WHERE NOVA SCOTIA EXCELS, IS IN ITS KINDNESS, IN ITS SCALE. THAT HUMAN KINDNESS CAN BE UNEVEN, Mr. SPEAKER. AND BECAUSE OF OUR INABILITY TO FAR TO ADDRESS STRUCTURE RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION, IT CAN BE ELUSIVE FOR SOME, BUT I STILL SUBMIT THE SHARED PROSPERITY OF NOVA SCOTIANS AND THE STRENGTH OF OUR COMMUNITIES ACROSS THIS PROVINCE ARE MEASURED — ARE THE MEASURES BY WHICH WE WILL KNOW THAT WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WE ARE IN A TIME OF TURMOIL ENVIRONMENTAL TURMOIL. AND A TIME OF RECKONING FOR ALL OF US A TIME FOR CARE TAKING AND

RESILIENCE AS WE FACE A FUTURE THAT IS LARGELY UNKNOWN. HALF MEASURES WON’T WORK, Mr SPEAKER. BUSINESS AS USUAL WON’T WORK. WE ARE ASKING GOVERNMENT TO THE ASK. WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THE AUTHENTICITY, THE BRAVERY, AS MY FAMILY WOULD SAY, THE HUTSPA, TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND TO ACKNOWLEDGE IN EINSTEIN’S WORDS THAT WE CANNOT SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS WITH THE SAME THINKING WE USED WHEN WE CREATED THEM THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER [ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER >> THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I MOVE THAT YOU NOW DO LEAVE THE CHAIR AND THE HOUSE RESOLVE ITSELF INTO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE ON SUPPLY The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Mr SPEAKER IT. IS MY HONOUR TO STAND IN MY PLACE AND HAVE HAVE FEW MOMENTS TO SPEAK ON THE BUDGET. THE FIRST DAY OF THIS SESSION, THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 20th, 2020, THE PREMIER’S OFFICE RELEASED AT 3:35 A STATEMENT OUTLINING THAT THEY WOULD DELIVER A BUDGET BEFORE US THAT WOULD HAVE ADDED FOCUS ON HELPING NOVA SCOTIANS WHO NEED IT THE MOST. THE RELEASE INDICATED THE GOVERNMENT’S LEGISLATIVE AGENDA WOULD INCLUDE SUPPORT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ADDRESSING GENDER WAGE GAP AND REGULATEING NICOTINE CONTENT OF TOBACCO AND eCIGARETTES The Speaker: I FORGOT TO SAY BEFORE YOU STARTED THE ESTIMATES ARE NOW REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON SUPPLY ON TO BE HER MAJESTY. THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER AND NOW WE’RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST. PLEASE CONTINUE. MY APOLOGIES >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Mr SPEAKER THE RELEASE INDICATED THE GOVERNMENT’S LEGISLATIVE AGENDA WOULD INCLUDE SUPPORT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ADDRESSING GENDER WAGE GAP, AND REGULATING NICOTINE CONTENT OF TOBACCO AND eCIGARETTES. SHOCKINGLY, THERE WAS NO MENTION THAT DAY ABOUT HEALTH CARE. ON THE VERY FIRST DAY OF THIS CURRENT SESSION, THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT NEGLECTED TO MENTION HEALTH CARE. IMAGINE THAT, Mr. SPEAKER. THE NUMBER 1 ISSUE ON THE MINDS OF EVERY NOVA SCOTIAN. HOW IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE? NOT TO MENTION HEALTH CARE — OR TO SIGNAL THAT THERE WILL BE A FOCUS ON IT DURING THIS HOUSE SESSION THE PREMIER CONTINUED TO SAY AND I QUOTE AND I WILL TABLE THE FOLLOWING. WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY IN SIX YEARS. OUR POPULATION IS AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH AND, UNEMPLOYMENT IS LOW, WE’RE SEEING RECORD-HIGH LEVELS OF EXPORT AND IMMIGRATION, AND MORE OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SEEING OPPORTUNITIES IN NOVA SCOTIA. WE ALSO KNOW NOT ALL NOVA SCOTIANS ARE FEELING THE POSITIVE IMPACT OF OUR GROWTH WE ARE KEENLY AWARE OF CHALLENGES IN OUR PROVINCE AND WE’LL BE TAKING MORE STEPS TO ADDRESS AREAS OF CHILD POVERTY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AGAIN, Mr. SPEAKER, NO MENTION OF HEALTH CARE CRISIS IN NOVA SCOTIA. NO MENTION AT ALL. AND WE KNOW THERE IS A CRISIS, Mr SPEAKER, FROM ONE END OF THIS PROVINCE TO ANOTHER. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW AS TO WHY THE PREMIER DIDN’T MENTION GNARL HIS PRESS RELEASE ON THE FIRST DAY OF THIS SESSION. BECAUSE THERE IS BASICALLY NOTHING IN THIS BUDGET THAT ADDRESSES THE ONGOING HEALTH CARE CRISIS WE ARE FACING IN THIS PROVINCE Mr. SPEAKER, THERE IS VERY LITTLE IN THIS BUDGET TO ADDRESS THE ONGOING SHORTAGES OF LONG-TERM CARE BEDS. NO MENTION OF INCREASING THE STAFFING LEVELS IN LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES OR INVESTING TO REPLACE, REPAIR, OLDER FACILITIES LIKE ROSEWAY. WE ARE BLESSED IN THE TOWN OF PICTOU TO HAVE TWO WONDERFUL FACILITIES SHIERTON NURSING HOME AND THE MARITIME ODD FELLOWS NURSING HOME. BOTH FACILITIES ARE AMAZINGLY STAFFED WITH THE MOST SKILLED AND COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE THAT ANY OF US WOULD EVER DREAM OF TO HAVE CARE FOR OUR LOVED ONES. BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT PROPER INVESTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE IN FRONT LINE HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND IN PARTICULAR, IN OUR LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES WHERE SOME OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE SOCIETY ARE INLIVING AT THE END OF THE DAY, Mr SPEAKER, WE ALL KNOW WITHOUT PROPER INVESTMENTS OUR RESIDENTS AT THESE FACILITIES WILL SUFFER

WE HAVE WITNESSED. THAT THEY WILL SUFFER JUST LIKE ALL NOVA SCOTIANS WITHOUT A FAMILY DOCTOR. IT ME AS TO WHY GOVERNMENT PERPLEXES HAS NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FULFILL THEIR PROMISE OF 2013, SEVEN YEARS LATER. STILL, THEY PROMISED A DOCTOR FOR EVERY NOVA SCOTIAN. Mr. SPEAKER, THERE ARE OVER 14,000 PEOPLE JUST IN NORTHERN NOVA SCOTIA THAT ARE WITHOUT A DOCTOR. AND THAT NUMBER WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR BUT THINK OF THE MANY MORE THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGISTRY Mr. SPEAKER, THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION RIGHT NOW AROUND NEED A FAMILY PRACTICE REGISTRY. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I SIGNED UP LONG AGO, IT WAS TO GO ON THE LIST SO THAT I COULD RECEIVE A DOCTOR A FEW MONTHS AGO, I RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE REGISTRY OR I BELIEVE IT WAS THEM, ASKING IF I HAD FOUND A DOCTOR. I INDICATED NO, I DID NOT FIND A DOCTOR, BUT THAT I HAD RECEIVED A CALL AND THAT I HAD BEEN ABLE TONURSE GET A PRACTITIONER. THE VOICE ON THE OTHER END OF THE PHONE SAID, OKAY, SO DO YOU WANT TO BE KEPT ON THE LIST FOR A DOCTOR? AND I SAID, Mr. SPEAKER, OF COURSE I DO. THAT’S WHY I SIGNED UP. I WANT TO HAVE A DOCTOR. AND THE PERSON ON THE OTHER END OF THE PHONE SAID TO ME, OKAY, NO PROBLEM, WE’LL KEEP YOU ON THE LIST TO RECEIVE A DOCTOR. BUT HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU WERE CALLED AND NOW YOU HAVE A NURSE PRACTITIONER, TOO. BUT IT WAS NO PROBLEM AT THAT POINT IN TIME FOR ME TO BE KEPT ON THE LIST AND MY CHILDREN SO WE COULD RECEIVE A DOCTOR BUT JUST THE OTHER DAY — AND THIS IS WHERE THERE’S SO MUCH CONFUSION. THE OTHER DAY I RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL FROM NEED A FAMILY PRACTICE REGISTRY AND IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING WHICH I WILL TABLE IT, SO IT WAS E-MAILED TO ME AND I’M NOT EVEN SURE HOW THEY GOT MY E-MAIL BUT PERHAPS DID I GIVE IT TO THEM WHEN I SIGNED UP AEAR OR TWO AGO. OH, CAN I HAVE THAT BACK TO READ IT SORRY. I WANT TO READ IT TO YOU. IT SAYS: HELLO. WE ARE CONTACTING YOU TODAY BECAUSE OUR RECORDS SHOW YOU HAVE REGISTERED WITH THE NEED A FAMILY PRACTICE REGISTRY AS A NOVA SCOTIAN WHO IS IN NEED OF A FAMILY DOCTOR OR NURSE PRACTITIONER. BUT I DIDN’T SIGN UP FOR A NURSE PRACTITIONER. I SIGNED UP FOR A DOCTOR. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PROVIDER NOW IN PICTOU THAT IS ACCEPTING NEW PATIENTS FROM THE NEED A FAMILY PRACTICE REGISTRY THIS PRACTICE IS AND IN CAPITAL BOLD LETTERS, SAYS, ONLY, ONLY ABLE TO ACCEPT PATIENTS THAT DO NOT AND NOT IS IN BIG BOLD LETTERS CURRENTLY HAVE A FAMILY DOCTOR OR NURSE PRACTITIONER IN NOVA SCOTIA. PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU ARE WITHOUT A FAMILY DOCTOR OR A NURSE PRACTITIONER IF NOT, PLEASE INDICATE IF YOU HAVE SUCCESSFULLY FOUND A FAMILY DOCTOR OR NURSE PRACTITIONER AS WELL, PLEASE LET US KNOW THAT THAT PHONE NUMBER TO REACH YOU DURING THE TIME OF DAY. WELL, THEY HAD JUST CALLED ME A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. THIS IS FROM THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY SO THERE’S A LOT OF CONFUSION HERE. ARE WE NOW TELLING PEOPLE WHEN THEY SIGN UP ON THIS REGISTRY THAT IT’S NOT JUST FOR A DOCTOR? THAT YOU COULD BE GIVEN A NURSE PRACTITIONER AND YET YOU WILL NEVER GET A DOCTOR THAT’S WHAT IT’S SAYING. BUT THERE’S SO MUCH CONFUSION. I CAN TABLE THAT NOW NOW, Mr. SPEAKER, NO WON DER NOVA SCOTIANS ARE SO FRUSTRATED WITH THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE STEER KEEPS CHANGING WITH REGARDS TO HOW ONE ACQUIRES A DOCTOR. NOVA SCOTIANS WANT A DOCTOR AND THEY DESERVE TO HAVE ONE FOR THEIR BASIC NEEDS. THEY SIGNED UP ON THE REGISTRY FOR A DOCTOR, NOT FOR A NURSE PRACTITIONER. MIND YOU, NURSE PRACTITIONERS ARE WONDERFUL AND WE ARE GRATEFUL TO HAVE THEM. I KNOW THAT I TOTALLY RESPECT MINE. BUT I ALSO IDENTIFY AND UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A DOCTOR AND A NURSE PRACTITIONER AND THE ROLES THAT THEY PLAY. I WILL KEEP ADVOCATING, Mr. SPEAKER, FOR MORE DOCTORS AND I WILL CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY WITHIN THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH CARE. BETTER TOGETHER WHEN I READ THIS TITLE, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS PICTOU COUNTY HAS DEFINITELY BEEN EXCLUDED FROM

THE TOGETHER PART. BUT AFTER TALKING TO MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES, THEY, TOO, FEEL THEIR CONSTITUENCIES HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED. SO BETTER TOGETHER STANDS FOR THOSE WHO THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO INCLUDE AND THAT’S CERTAINLY NOT EVERYONE. I SEE NOTHING IN THIS BUDGET THAT WILL HELP THOSE IN PICTOU COUNTY TRAVELLING TO HALIFAX FOR FOR DIALYSIS. SOME ON A DAILY BASIS, Mr. SPEAKER, SOME IN THEIR 70s, SOME IN THEIR 80s THIS. A REALITY FOR MANY PICTOU COUNTY RESIDENTS. AND PICTOU, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL DIALYSIS UNIT STAFFED BY INCREDIBLE PEOPLE WHO WILL ONLY HAVE — BUT WE ONLY HAVE FOUR CHAIRS, Mr. SPEAKER. AND WE HAVE DOZENS OF PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THIS NUMBER IS GROWING RAPIDLY EVERY YEAR SINCE I WAS ELECTED IN 2013, I HAD REQUESTING BEENTHIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT TO SEE THE URGENCY OF INCREASING CHAIRS AT THE UNIT IN PICTOU. WE HAVE THE SPACE. AND AGAIN WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE NEED. IT’S SO FRUSTRATING FOR ME TO SEE FAMILIES HAVING TO TAKE VACATION TIME TO HELP A LOVED ONE TRAVEL FOR THIS LIFE-SAVING SERVICE FAMILIES, Mr. SPEAKER, ARE DISRUPTED TERRIBLY WITH NOT ONLY DAILY ROUTINE OR MISSING WORK OR FAMILY ENGAGEMENTS BUT THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF HAVING TO TRAVEL TO HALIFAX TO RECEIVE THIS SERVICE TAKES A LOT OUT OF FAMILIES. AND IT’S CAUSING UNNECESSARY STRESS AND MENTAL ANGUISH. IT’S NOT FAIR AND IT HAS TO STOP IF THIS GOVERNMENT REALLY MEANT BETTER TOGETHER, THEY WOULD INCLUDE ALL NOVA SCOTIANS BUT THEY HAVE NOT SUCCEEDED IN THAT MISSION. I WAS WALKING FROM THE LEGISLATURE LAST NIGHT AND I RAN INTO A FRIEND WHO WORKS IN GOVERNMENT, ACTUALLY. WE BRIEFLY SPOKE AND THEY HAD AN INTERESTING ADJECTIVE FOR THIS BUDGET. THEY CALLED IT SUPERFICIAL. IT KIND OF TOOK ME BY SURPRISE TO BE HONEST BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN THE BUT I JUST FOUND THAT BUDGET ADJECTIVE VERY INTERESTING I DIDN’T THINK THAT WAY UNTIL I WENT HOME, I GAVE IT MORE THOUGHT, AND WHILE LISTENING TO THE MINISTER OF FINANCE BE INTERVIEWED BY STEVE MURPHY, I THEN UNDERSTOOD WHY THIS GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE BASS REFERRING TO THE BUDGET AT SUPERFICIAL. THEN I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT, I’M GOING TO GO AND LOOK UP WHAT THE ACTUAL DEFINITION IS. SUPERFICIAL EXISTING OR OCCURRING ON THE SURFACE; APPEARING TO BE TRUE OR REAL ONLY UNTIL EXAMINED MORE CLOSELY IT’S ALWAYS WISE AND INTERESTING TO GET A NUMBER OF PERSPECTIVES ON A DELIVERED BUDGET. LATER IN THE EVENING, I SPOKE TO MY SON AND THEY HAD ACTUALLY BRIEFLY SPOKE ABOUT IT IN SCHOOL AND SAY THE THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE SPEAKING THIS MORNING ON THE BUDGET MORE SO. AND HE WANTED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT. AND RECENTLY, HE PURCHASED A VEHICLE. HE TURNED UN18 18 LAST WEEK AND WHEN HE WAS 16, HE WANTED TO PURCHASE A VEHICLE HE HAD NO MONEY AND HE THOUGHT HIS FATHER OR I WOULD GET A VEHICLE FOR HIM. WE SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT. YOU WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE THE SCHOOL BUS TO SCHOOL. YOU WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE US DRIVE YOU TO WORK AND TO ALL YOUR SOCIAL ENGAGEMENTS AND EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES. SO LAST YEAR, WE REVISITED THE CONVERSATION. AND HE SAID HE WAS SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE A CAR AND WE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAVE FOR IT AND, Mr. SPEAKER, HE TOOK A WHOLE YEAR AND HE SAVED. HE SAVED TO BUY THAT CAR. AND ALTHOUGH HE WAS FRUSTRATED AND MAD AT US AT TIMES, AT THE END OF THE DAY, HE WAS GRATEFUL FOR THE LESSON THAT HE HAD TO WORK THREE JOBS THIS SUMMER TO SAVE THE MONEY TO PURCHASE THAT CAR BECAUSE THE CAR HE WANTED WASN’T JUST, YOU KNOW, 2500. HE WANTED A $15,000 CAR. AND I SAID, WELL, JACK, IF YOU WANT A $15,000 CAR, YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AND SAVE SOME MONEY SO HE CAME TO NEWS AUGUST AND HE SAID I DON’T HAVE ALL THE MONEY BUT I SEE A CAR THAT I WANT AND I’M HOPING THAT YOU GUYS CAN HELP US. SO WE TALKED ABOUT FINANCING. AND I SAID, LOOK, YOU SAVE X-AMOUNT, I WILL LOAN YOU THE SMALL PORTION THAT HE HAD NEEDED AND I SAID BUT WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD LESSON HERE. I’M GOING TO PUT AN INTEREST RATE ON IT. AND THAT’S WHAT I’M DOING. AND HE DOESN’T KNOW THIS BECAUSE HE’S NOT WATCHING RIGHT NOW, BUT HE IS PAYING INTEREST ON THE MONEY THAT HE HAD OWES ME FOR THAT CAR. BUT WHAT I WILL DO AT THE END OF IT, ITLY GIVE HIM BACK

THE MONEY HE PAID IN INTEREST JUST SO THAT HE CAN — YEAH I’M NOT GETTING MOTHER OF THE YEAR AWARD, THAT’S FOR SURE BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I SPOKE TO HIM LAST NIGHT AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT’S INTERESTING WITH THIS BUDGET, JACK, I MEAN, WE’RE SPENDING OUT OF OUR MEANS. WE ARE. WE’RE SPENDING OUT OF OUR MEANS HERE AND THE MINISTER OF FINANCE IS NOT ONLY APPAN DONNING THE REPORT GOALS TO GET CONTROL OVER NOVA SCOTIA’S DEATH BUT IN REALITY, SHE IS ABANDONING THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN, OUR GRANDCHILDREN, THEIR CHILDREN. AND THAT’S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TEACH JACK LAST NIGHT. IS THAT YOU CAN’T BE BUYING THINGS AND BORROWING CONSTANTLY FOR THOSE THINGS WHEN YOU EXPAND THE PROVINCE’S NET DEBT BY 2. 7 BILLION, THAT MEANS THIS GOVERNMENT HAS DONE NOTHING TO IMPROVE THE ECONOMIC GROWTH. IT MEANS THEY HAVE NO PLANS TO IMPROVE ECONOMIC GROWTH, HENCE WHY OUR FEDERAL TRANSFERS ARE INCREASING CONSTANTLY. ASK YOUR FRIEND THAT LIVE IN ALBERTA HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THAT SO, Mr. SPEAKER, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THIS BUDGET BUT RIGHT NOW, I FEEL IT’S RECKLESS, IT’S SUPERFICIAL, AND IT’S FALSE HOPE FOR THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA THANK YOU [ Applause ] The Speaker: IN THE ABSENCE OF NO MORE SPEAKER, THE MOTION TO GO INTO SUPPLY IS CARRIED AND THE HOUSE WILL NOW RECESS WHILE IT RESOLVES ITSELF INTO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON SUPPLY (BRIEF RECESS) NEPAL COMMITTEE THE WHOLE ON WILLTOWILL YOU PLEASE

CALL THE STILLS FOR THE OF HEALTH WELLNESS,E-11 I NOW THE OF HEALTH WELLNESS MAKE OPENING COMMENTS IF HE SO WISHES AND HIS LOVELY THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE >> YOU, Mr. CHAIR CERTAINLY PLEASED TO INTRODUCE ESTIMATES FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS FOR THE 2020-2021 FISCAL REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT ESTIMATES DEBATE SUPPLY PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE IMPORTANT WORK THAT’S DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT AND INDEEDPARTNERS IN HEALTH AUTHORITIES. WITH ME THIS EVENING AND I BELIEVE FOR NEXT NUMBER OF DAYS ARE TWO OFFICIALS THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS THAT WILL HELP IN EXAMINING TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS OF THIS YEAR’S OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS BUDGET TO MY RIGHT IS JANEEN LEGACE, THE ACTING DEPUTY MINISTER AND ADM FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS, AND TO MY LEFT IS SHELLY BODANG, THE CHIEF OFFICER FOR THE DEPARTMENT Mr. CHAIR, HAVE HEARD CERTAINLY LOUD AND CLEARMESSAGE IS ONE LIMITED TO TENURE IN OFFICE. INDEED I BELIEVE FOR MANY YEARS, THE IMPORTANCE AND PRIORITY OF HEALTH CARE SERVICES THEPRIORITY FOR NOVA SCOTIANS CONSISTENTLY THROUGH ALL GOVERNMENTS WELL RECOGNIZED Mr. SPEAKER, WHY IT’S NO SURPRISE THAT ALLOCATED BUDGET A HEALTH SERVICES INVESTMENTS IS THE SINGLE LARGEST BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN EXPENDITURE THE PROVINCE THAT, Mr. CHAIR, IS CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL JURISDICTIONS IN CANADA BASED ON, AGAIN, THE THAT CITIZENS AND THEIR GOVERNMENTS PLACE ON INVESTING PROVIDING CARE SERVICES NEEDED BY THE POPULATION SO WE CERTAINLY THAT WE KNOW THAT FOR MY MANDATE LETTER, Mr. CHAIR, SINCE COMING IN IN 2017, IT’S BEEN CLEAR WHERE I NED TO FOCUS EFFORTS OF THE DEPARTMENT PARTNERS OUR AREAS OF PRIMARY HEALTH AND ADDICTIONS, CONTINUING CARE AND, OF COURSE, INFRASTRUCTURE RENEWAL, Mr. CHAIR. AND THOSE INVESTMENTS THAT WE’RE MAKING INVESTMENTS. THE MOTION TO COME INTO SUPPLY MADEABOUT FUTURE GENERATIONS AND INDEED, Mr. CHAIR,INVESTMENTS THAT WE ARE MAKING, PARTICULARLY AROUND THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE, INVESTMENTS IN THE NEXT GENERATION. WHAT THESE — ALTHOUGH SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR VALUES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM OVER $2 BILLION THE ANTICIPATED COSTS FOR THE QEII CAPE BRETON PREDEVELOPMENTS, Mr. CHAIR, THAT NOT AN INVESTMENT THAT IS FOR AFISCAL BUT INDEED AN INVESTMENT THAT WE TO MODERNIZE FACILITIES FOR THE THEDELIVERY OF CARE SERVICES FOR THE GENERATION WE’RE FOCUSED AS I ON A NUMBER OF AREAS WITHIN THE PRIMARY SPACE. OBVIOUSLY ATTACHING PATIENTS TO PRIMARY CARE SERVICES. ONE OFEVOLUTIONS THAT WE’VE BEEN

FOCUSED ON HAS BEEN THE EXPANSION OF COLLABORATIVE PRIMARY CARE SERVICES, RESPONDING TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND INTERESTS OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS AND THE DESIRE WORK IN SUCH ENVIRONMENTS. FOCUSED IMPROVEMENTSHEALTH AND ADDICTION SERVICES, REDUCING TIMES THROUGHOUT CARE SYSTEM AGAIN MODERNIZING OUR HEALTH SYSTEM OUR AND SUPPORTS HOME CARE AND LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES, Mr. CHAIR, AS WELL AS TECHNOLOGY PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY AGAIN SUPPORT THE MODERNIZATION OF THE TECHNOLOGY SUPPORTS THE WORK OF OUR FRONT LINE HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS THOSE TECHNOLOGY INITIATIVES ALSO SUPPORT US ENSURING THAT WE HAVE THE MOST ACCURATE AND DATA TOO HELP INFORM FUTURE DECISIONS AND AND INVESTMENTS TOMADE WITHIN CARE SYSTEM WE’VE MADE PROGRESS INAREAS, Mr CHAIR, SINCE COMING TO FORM GOVERNMENT. WE KNOW THAT WE’VE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE WAIT LIST FOR LONG-TERM CARE PLACEMENTS, BOTH — WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST ON THE FLOOR OFCHAMBER, Mr. CHAIR, THATTHE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WAITING FOR PLACEMENT IN LONG-TERM CARE AND HOW LONG ARE WAITING THE LIST HAVE DECREASED BETWEEN 30 AND 50% OVER — SINCE WE FORMED GOVERNMENT, Mr. CHAIR AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE BUDGET FOR HEALTH CARE IS THE SINGLE LARGEST. IT’S OVER 40% OF THE PROVINCIAL EXPENDITURES INBUDGETED THIS FISCAL YEAR YEAR, WE’RE INCREASING THE BUDGET FOR HEALTH CARE SERVICES BY I ABOUT JUST UNDER THAT BRINGS THE EXPENDITURE TO ABOUT THIS BUDGET $4.8 BILLION TO MEET THE HEALTH CARE NEEDS SCOTIANS. THAT EQUATES FOR THOSE THAT DON’T ENJOY MATH, APPROXIMATELY A 4% INCREASE IN THE BUDGET YEAR YEAR THE HEALTH AUTHORITIES, THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY AND THE IWK WHO REALLY ARE THE TASKED THE LION’S OF OPERATIONAL DELIVERY OF HEALTH CARE SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE PROVINCE HAVE RECEIVED FUNDING AS WELL THEY’VE RECEIVED AN INCREASE OF I BELIEVE ABOUT $86.1 MILLION WHICH MEANS THAT COMBINED ARE OVER $2 BILLION TO SUPPORT THOSE FRONT LINE HEALTH NEEDS. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL $4.8 BILLIONCOMES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WELLNESS, REALLY 44% INCIDENT OF THAT BUDGET, ALMOST 45% OF THAT BUDGET ACTUALLY GETS TRANSFERRED INTO OUR HEALTH THAT DELIVER THE FRONT LINE OPERATIONAL CARE SO THAT’S OVER $2 BILLION GOING TO HEALTH AUTHORITIES FOR CARE DELIVERY I’VE ALREADY MENTIONED INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF I’M I’M THAT MEMBERS WILL LIKELY QUESTIONS RELATING TO THEM AGAIN JUST A REMINDER, THE QEII REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT HERE IN HALIFAXREPLACE THE AGING AND CHALLENGED INFRASTRUCTURE AT THEGENERAL, AS VICTORIA WELL AS THE REVITALIZING OF HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CAPE BRETON REGIONAL MUNICIPALITY THOSE FACILITIES AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS REALLY FELL A STATE OF DISREPAIR A FAILURE TO KEEP THE INFRASTRUCTURE UP TO DATE. SO WITH THOSE CHANGES, ENGAGED WITH HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A MODERN CONFIGURATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD LOCK LIKE THOSE — IN PARTICULAR IN THOSE TWO REGIONS ANDWHAT’S GUIDED THE DESIGN OF THE WORK AND PROJECTS TO DATE TO, AGAIN, LOOK TO THEAND NOT TO THE PAST FOR THE BEING DELIVERED IN THE PROVINCE. AGAIN, THERE’S ADDITIONAL WORK CARE A VERY LARGE AND INTEGRATED SYSTEM IN PART DUE TO THE COMPLEXITIES OF THOSE INTERRELATIONS, Mr CHAIR, THAT IS THE ORGANIZATIONS, CARE PROVIDERS, THE MANY INTERESTED PARTIES, ALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE OF — AND

CHALLENGES IMPLEMENTING A CHANGE IN MODERNIZATION. SO TO DO DOES TAKE TIME. BUT THE IS IN ORDER TO EFFECTCHANGE, WE DO HAVE TO TAKE AND THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING OVER OUR TENURE IN GOVERNMENT WE KNOW THAT NOVA SCOTIANS EXPECT US TO WORK THOUGHTFULLY AND COORDINATION WITH OUR PARTNERS SO THAT WE ENSURE THAT WE DO MAKE RIGHT CHANGES WHEN THEY NEED TO BE MADE BUT ALSO THAT WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES THAT WILL THEIR NEEDS AS CITIZENS OF THE PROVINCE. BUT THOSE NEED CAN ONLY BE MET WE THE NEEDS OF THOSE FRONT CARE PROVIDERS AS WELL WE CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON MORE COORDINATED AND EVIDENCE-BASED HEALTH CARE BUT THAT THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE VERY DELIBERATE AND COORDINATED ACTION. AND THAT WILL IS HOW BEEN MANAGING THE WORK AND THE DECISIONS THAT WE’VE BEEN MAKING. SOMETIMES, Mr. CHAIR, THOSE DECISIONS HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY HAVE RAISED CONCERN BY SOME THOSE CONCERNS, Mr. CHAIR, OVER TIME ARE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE I ARE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THOSE AFFECTED AGAIN WHETHER THEY’RE CITIZENS, PATIENTS, OR HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS, THAT, IN FACT, THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE ARE REALLY GUIDED BY CLINICAL VICE AND RECOMMENDATIONS — CLINICAL ADVICERECOMMENDATIONS UNFORTUNATELY WE DON’T ALWAYS HAVE UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS ON THOSE PATHS SO THERE WILL ALWAYSTO INDIVIDUAL WHOS WHO NOT COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL DECISION AND DIRECTION THAT WE TAKE. BUT ASSURE Mr. CHAIR, ANDHOMES OF THE LEGISLATURE, THAT WHEN WE OUR — ANDMEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE, THAT WHEN MAKE DECISIONS, WE DO SO ON GUIDANCE AND ADVICE HAVE COME TO OUR TABLE AND WITH EYE TOWARDS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ADVICEWE BELIEVE ARE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA, MEETINGEXPECTATIONS WHICH AGAIN FUNDAMENTALLY GOES TO ENSURING THEY GET THE HEALTH SERVICES THAT THEY NEED SOME OF INITIATIVES THAT WE BEEN FOCUSED ON OVERLAST NUMBER OF YEARS AND WHICH WE WILL CONTINUING TO WORK ON WHERE — HOW THOSE INITIATIVES HAVE — WHATOUTCOMES OF SOME OF THOSE INITIATIVES HAVE RESULTED IN, Mr. CHAIR. WE KNOW THAT ABOUT 138,000 NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE BEEN ATTACHED TO A PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2016 WHEN THE NEED A FAMILY PRACTICE REGISTRY FIRST LAUNCHED BY THE NOVA HEALTH WE KNOW FROM STATS CANADA, Mr. CHAIR THAT NOVA IS RECOGNIZED AS BEING FOURTH IN JURISDICTIONS FOR ATTACHING AND CONNECTING PATIENTS WITH PRIMARYPROVIDERS BASED THE NEED A FAMILY REGISTRY, WE KNOW THAT OF NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE ATTACHED A PRIMARY PROVIDER AND WE KNOW, Mr. CHAIR, THAT ABOUT 20% SCOTIANS REGISTERED ON NEED A FAMILY PRACTICE RENT INDUSTRY THAN WHEN WE WERE LAST YEAR WE KNOW THAT PARTNERS, NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY, HAVE BEEN WORKING IN COMMUNITIES TO SPECIAL CLINICS FOR UNATTACHED PATIENTS HELP SUPPORT THEM WHILE THEY ARE BE ATTACHED TO A PRIMARY PROVIDER ALSO, Mr. CHAIR, TAKEN STEPS TO RECOGNIZEPROVIDING THE CARE THAT NOVA SCOTIANS NEED MEANS THAT WETO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SKILLED HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS IN THAT MEANS PROVIDING THE OPPORTUNITY THOSE HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO WORK WITHIN FULL SCOPE OF PRACTICE WE’VE INITIATIVES THAT WE’VE UNDERTAKEN A GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE MODERNIZATION OF THE NURSE’S REGULATORY COLLEGE AND THE LEGISLATION GOVERNING THEM LAST YEAR, WELL AS THE MORE RECENT WITH PHARMACISTS WHICH PROVIDES THEM OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TO THE SCOPE PROVIDING MORE OPPORTUNITIES SCOTIANS TO RECEIVE BASIC PRIMARY SERVICES, INCLUDING INCREASED ACCESS PRESCRIPTION REFILLS THEIR COMMUNITY

PHARMACISTS. THIS WORK, Mr SPEAKER, BELIEVE IS VERY POSITIVE STEP FORWARD A TONIGHT SURING ACCESS TO CARE SERVICES FOR NOVA SCOTIANS ALSO SPEAKER, THAT NO HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS COMPLETE WITHOUT ACCESS TO PHYSICIANS. PHYSICIANS AN ESSENTIAL AND CRITICAL PART OF THE DELIVERY OF BOTH PRIMARY AND SPECIALTY HEALTH SERVICES WE KNOW, Mr. CHAIR, THAT THESE CHALLENGES THAT WE’VEDISCUSSING ON THE THIS LEGISLATURE FOR PASTOF YEARS, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO PHYSICIAN DOCTOR RECRUITMENT IS ONE THAT IS CHALLENGE FACED BY ALL JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. INDEED, IN MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD THAT HAS A SIMILAR HEALTH CARE DESIGN. MEAN, Mr CHAIR, THAT FUNDAMENTALLY WHEN YOU PULLTHE LAYERS, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ACTUALLY FACE IS OF SUPPLY DEMAND THAT IS THE OF PHYSICIANS IS OUTSTRIPPING THE DEMAND MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS. THAT’S WHY, Mr. CHAIR, WE THAT ONE OF THE ONLY WAYS TO ADDRESS THE FUNDAMENTAL CHALLENGES BOTH FOR THE MEDIUM AND LONG-TERM IS TO INVEST ADDITIONAL TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES. AND THAT’S WHY I WE’RE — STILL AS THE ONLY JURISDICTION HAS EXPANDED BOTH MEDICAL RESSY TRAINING OPPORTUNITIESPHYSICIANS THE PROVINCE. WE BELIEVE THAT THE DATA SHOWS IS INVESTMENTS ARE GOING TO SERVE POPULATION OF NOVA SCOTIA VERY WELL TWO REASONS. ONE, IT INCREASES SUPPLY OF PHYSICIANS BOTH PRACTICE PHYSICIANS AS WELL AS SPECIALISTS THROUGH BOTH THE MEDICAL SEATS, 16 NEW SEATS THAT IN TOTAL WILL BEEN ADDED DALHOUSIE MEDICAL SCHOOL. AND 25 TOTAL RESIDENCY SEATS, 10 FAMILY PHYSICIAN PRACTICE AND 15 SPECIALTY SEATS THAT HAVEADDED TO THE RESIDENCY TRAINING WE KNOW THIS WILL BE GOOD BECAUSE ADDING THE SUPPLY WE KNOW THAT DATA SHOWS THAT ABOUT 80% OF PHYSICIAN RESIDENTS THE PROVINCE WHERE THEY’VETRAINED SO YOU THE NUMBER OF RESIDENCY SEATS, YOU THE NUMBER OF PHYSICIANS WHO STAY AND SET UP THE PROVINCE. THESE ARE GOOD INVESTMENTS THAT WILL THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA AND I BELIEVE IN RECOGNIZING THIS EXPANSION WHICH HASLONG CALLED FOR BY THE MEDICAL FIELD, Mr. CHAIR, DOES SCOTIA IN A POSITIVE IN TERMS OUR RECOGNITION OUR LISTENING TO LINE CARE WORKERS, HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS, PHYSICIANS, AND RESIDENTS AS TO THE OF TRAINING WE A NUMBER OF OTHERTHINGS, INCLUDING CHANGES TO THE CLERKSHIP PROGRAM AND THE EXPANSION WAS LAUNCHED LAST YEAR THE — IN CAPEAND IS EXPANDING INTO THE SOUTH RECENT NOW. BUT AGAIN, ACCESS POSITIONS, I ANTICIPATE BE SPEAKING QUITE EXCESSIVELY THAT IN THE COMING DAYS AS DEBATE ESTIMATES. THERE IS NO SINGLE SOLUTION TO ENSUREING THAT WE ADDRESS THE NEED FOR FAMILY PHYSICIANS. THAT’S WHY WE TAKE MULTIPLE INITIATIVES AND MAKE INITIATIVES AND DIFFERENT TOENSURE THAT WE MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN PHYSICIANS THE PROVINCE. I’VE ALREADY TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE TRAINING THAT WE’VE BEEN MAKING BUT ALSO WE’VE BEEN INVESTING IN INTERNATIONAL RECRUITMENT INITIATIVES. WE’VE WORKED WITH DOCTORS NOVATO IMPLEMENT A NEWTHE MASTER CONTRACT THAT GOVERN GOVERNS COMPENSATIONPHYSICIANS IN THE PROVINCE MOST PHYSICIANS VOTED IN THIS WHICH SENDS A VERY STRONG SIGNAL THROUGH THE INCREASE COMPENSATION,WE’LL SEE THE HIGHESTDEMAND, INCLUDING FAMILY PHYSICIANS, EMERGENCY DOCTORS, I BELIEVE PSYCHIATRISTS AND OTHERS WILL ACTUALLY BECOME REALLY HIGHEST PAID IN ATLANTIC CANADA, CERTAINLY THEM INTO A VERY COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION FRAMEWORK FOR COUNTERPARTSOTHER JURISDICTIONS

Mr. CHAIR, ACHIEVEDNEGOTIATED BY LISTENING TO PHYSICIANS IN BARGAINING AGENCIES WE SEE THAT BASED UPON THEIR INPUT AS BEING A VERY SIGNIFICANT STEP IN BOTH THE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION PHYSICIANS TO THE PROVINCE ALSO KNOW THAT IN THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS, THE IMPORTANCE COMMUNITY EMPLOYEES OR WORKERS, CAN’T LAST IN A COMMUNITY IF THEY ESTABLISH ROOTS, Mr. CHAIR. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN ANY THAT RELIES IN ON PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE INDEMAND AND FAIRLY MOBILEATTACHMENT TO COMMUNITY. WE RECOGNIZE ATTACHMENT TO COMMUNITY ESTABLISHMENT OF ROOTS REALLY SUPPORTS INTHE RETENTION OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS AND WHY WEBEEN INVESTING WITH OUR PARTNERS COMMUNITYIES TO THEM IN THEIR EFFORTS TO PARTICIPATE AND REALLY EXEMPLIFY AND THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THEIR COMMUNITIES THATBELIEVE ARE MOST RELEVANT TO SUPPORTING BOTH THE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO THEIR COMMUNITIES AND THEIR REGIONS. THERE ARE MANY OTHER INITIATIVES — THERE ARE OTHER INITIATIVES TO ESTABLISH A DEDICATED IMMIGRATION STREAM FOR PHYSICIANS. WE’VE HAD OVER 50 PHYSICIANS COME THROUGHSTREAM ALREADY. TALKED ABOUT THE INCREASE IN COMPENSATION FOR PHYSICIANS THE MASTER AGREEMENT BUT WE ALSO INCREASED INCENTIVE COMPENSATION WELL. THE INCENTIVES FOR STARTING UP PRACTICES. WE’VE INCREASED FUNDING FOR LOCUM PROGRAMS WHICH DESIGNED TO FILL SHORT-TERM VACANCIES IN THE HARD TO RECRUIT AREAS. CONTINUE TO INVEST IN COLLABORATIVE TEAMS AGAIN, THAT’S MODEL OF PRACTICE IS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT SHIFT THE MODEL THAT WAS LONG-STANDING REALLY THE DAWN OF MEDICARE SERVICES, HAVING MULTIFACETED TEAMS OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS COMING TOGETHER TO SERVE THE PATIENTS OF THE CLINIC. THAT HAS BEEN AN AREA, WE HEAR FROM HEALTH PROVIDERS, PHYSICIANS, NURSES, OTHERS, THAT THEY BELIEVE IS HOW THEY’VE BEEN IN MANY CASES AND THEY BELIEVE THE FUTURE OF HEALTH CARE DELIVERY SO WE’VE BEEN INVESTING TO EXPAND. I WE’RE CURRENTLY STRENGTHENING AND ABOUT 85 TEAMS NOW WITHIN THE PROVINCE AND WE’RE REALLY TRYING TO MOVE ANDFURTHER EXPANSIONS THAT MAY BE TO COMMUNITIES IN AREAS THAT ARE IN GREATEST NEED MODERNIZATION. AGAIN, THE MODERNIZATION OF OUR HEALTH DELIVERY INCLUDES THE INVESTMENTS, BUT ALSO WE’RE INVESTMENTS IN DIALYSIS SEATS. WE’LL THOSE DIALYSIS RENOVATIONS AND EXPANSIONS ON STREAM. MANY OF THEM THIS YEAR WHILE OTHERS WILL CONTINUE. WE LOOK FORWARD INCREASING THE ACCESS OF DIALYSIS TO THOSE PATIENTS AND AS I’VE SAID PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET THESE ADDITIONAL DIALYSIS CHAIRS ON-LINE, WE’LL BE A POSITION AGAIN BEGIN REEVALUATING WHAT THE DISTRIBUTION OF DIALYSISPATIENTS THROUGHOUT THE PROVINCE ARE AND NEEDS TO HELP INFORM ANY FUTURE DECISIONS ABOUT ANY FUTURE EXPANSIONS FROM THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY CONTINUING CARE, Mr. CHAIR, HAS BEEN PRIORITY. CONTINUE NOW TO INVEST IN NOVA SCOTIANS WHO REQUIRE THESE CARE SERVICES THE TUNE OF ABOUT WE CONTINUE TO INVEST, AS HAS BEEN OUR PRIORITY SINCE FORMING GOVERNMENT BACK IN 2013 LISTEN TOSCOTIANS WHO THEY WANT TO STAY THEIR HOME AND IN THEIR COMMUNITY AS LONGPOSSIBLE THAT’S WE’VE INVESTED HEAVILY IN HOME CARE SERVICES. BUT ALSO EXPANDED THE CAREGIVER BENEFIT PROGRAM THAT REALLY BOATS PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF LOVED ONES AND PROVIDE SUPPORTS THEIR HOMES

CARE, WE’VE AGAIN CONTINUED WORK WE STARTED LAST YEAR BASED UPON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM EXPERT PANEL LONG-TERM CARE. THE FOCUS THERE, Mr. CHAIR, IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF SERVICES THE ENVIRONMENT — SORRY, IN THE LONG-TERM CARE WILL CONTINUE TO THIS YEAR. WE KNOW JUST, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT STRANDS THESE INVESTMENTS DO WORK RECEIVE POSITIVE IMPROVEMENTS IN WOUND CARE BASED UPON INVESTMENTS IN TRAINING, EQUIPMENT,STANDARDIZED PROCESSES BEING ON STREAM. WE RECOGNIZE THE STAFFING CHALLENGES AS WAS HIGHLIGHTED BY THE PARTICULARLY FOR CONTINUING CARE ASSISTANCE THAT’S WE’VE ESTABLISHED TO PROMOTE CCA’S CONTINUED CARE ASSISTANCE. A VERY POSITIVE AND IMPORTANT CAREER OPPORTUNITYSCOTIANS ALSO SUPPORTED THROUGH BURSARY FOR CCAs WHICH WOULD COVERTUITION COSTS, Mr. CHAIR,ALSO IN A NEW IMMIGRATION I’VE HEARD FROM STREAM. CARE FACILITIES, HAVING RECOGNIZED THE VALUE OF HAVING NEW QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS COMING FORWARD AND ENTERING THE CONTINUING CARE SPACE TO DELIVER CARE. WE MADE SOME GOVERNANCE AND REGULATORY CHANGES STREAMLINED THE PROCESS FOR RETIRED NURSES TO BE ABLE TO REALLY LEVERAGE NURSING TRAINING AND BE RECOGNIZED QUALIFIED TO PROVIDE THE CONTINUING CARE SERVICES ASWELL WITH TO CARE BEDS, WE’VE ALREADY ANNOUNCED I BELIEVE OVER 160 NEW BEDS IN AREAS INCLUDING AS PART OF THE CAPE BRETON REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THE INVESTMENTS ELSEWHERE, AS WELL AS 30 BEDS IN LONG-TERM BEING CONVERTED FROM RCF IN THE HALIFAX AREA WE’RE FOCUSING ON AREAS WITH THE HIGHEST DEMAND WHILE AT THE SAME TIME LOOKING TO SUPPORT OUR LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES WITH THE RENOVATION AND MAINTENANCE NEEDS AND MENTAL AND ADDICTIONS Mr. CHAIR, WE HAVE OVER $315 MILLION BEING INVESTED THROUGHOUT GOVERNMENT TOWARDS MENTAL AND ADDICTIONS. I BELIEVE IS IN THE RANGE OF ABOUT A 7% INCREASE THE INVESTMENTS TOWARDS MENTAL HEALTH ADDICTIONS. WE’RE SEEING POSITIVE RESULTSREPORTED FROM BOTH THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY AND THE IWK AS IT RELATES TO THELISTS ACCESS TO THEIR MENTAL CARE SERVICES. EFFORTS THAT THEY’VE BEEN MAKING THEIR FACILITIES HAVE BEEN FOCUSED FIRST ON PHYSICAL HEALTH — MENTAL LIKE PHYSICAL HEALTH TRIAGE FOCUSED ON EMERGENCY CARE WHERE PEOPLE NEED IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO CARE. THEY FOLLOW THAT BY URGENT AND THEY HAVE A CLINICAL TIME LINE TO BE SEEN. I BELIEVE WE SEE IN THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY, WE’VE SEEN AN IMPROVEMENT OF 98% ADULTS SEEN WITHIN THAT CLINICAL TARGET IN THAT’S IMPROVEMENT FROM ONLY 85% THE YEAR BEFORE. SO NOT ALL WAY THERE, Mr. CHAIR I’VE NEVER SAID THAT. IN FACT, I STARTED MY WITH HIGHLIGHTING THE IMPORTANCE CARE TO SCOTIANS, IT IS ALSO THAT HAS A CONTINUOUSLY MOVING TARGET, ONE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO FOCUSED ON CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT. ONE THE MEMBERS OF THE OPPOSITION, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL STRIPES, WILL ALWAYS HAVE OPPORTUNITY SAY YOU DO MORE, Mr. CHAIR. THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CASE THAT PEOPLE, CITIZENS, WILLLOOKING FOR MORE AND Mr. CHAIR, WE’VE BEEN INVESTING. WE’VE BEEN DOING MORE, BEEN SEEING POSITIVE OUTCOMES. BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS MORE TO BE DONE AND WE WILL CONTINUE OUR EFFORTS TO INVEST POTE FINANCIALLY AND OPERATIONALLY TO IMPROVE OUR HEALTH SERVICES SCOTIANS FOR BOTH PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH FINALLY THE ADDICTIONS SIDE HEALTH AND ADDICTIONS, WE EARLIER THIS YEAR

FORWARD, WE ANNOUNCED DECEMBER IT WILL TAKING ON APRIL 1st, GOING INTO THE FIRST IN CANADA BAN ON FLAVORED VAPING JUICES WE’VE ALSO Mr. CHAIR, COMMITTED TO BRINGINGADDITIONAL LEGISLATIVE CHANGES TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO VAPING PRODUCTS. THAT LEGISLATION WE EXPECT TO SEE ON THE ORDER PAPER WITHIN SITTING. AND I LOOK TO BRINGING THE ATTENTION SCOTIANS, THE MEMBERS HERE,TO ON THE FLOOR OF THE LEGISLATURE AND FORWARD EVERYBODY’S TO SUPPORT IN ADVANCING PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION RY AND CONFIDENCE, Mr. CHAIR, THAT THE THAT WE’LL BE TAKING WILL HAVE IMPACTS. WHY, Mr. CHAIR? BECAUSE MANY OF STEPS THAT WE’RE TAKING HAVE INFORMED BY AND OTHERS, JUST LIKE OPIOID FRAMEWORK. ONE OF THE FIRST INITIATIVES HAD HAD THE TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE IN MY ROLE AS MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS BACK IN 2017, AND WE’VE SEEN THE TREMENDOUS EFFECTTHAT FRAMEWORK HAS HADSCOTIA, SAVING LIVES, Mr. CHAIR. WE’VE SEEN A REDUCTION BY OVER 90% THE WAIT LIST OPIOID TREATMENTS SINCE 2017 WHEN LAUNCHED FRAMEWORK, Mr. CHAIR. ] [ Applause ] WE’VE SEEN MORE THAN 12,000 NALOXONE KITS DISTRICTED ACROSS THE PROVINCE THROUGH OUR IMPORTANTS PHARMACIES ACROSS THE PROVINCE, Mr. CHAIR. AGAIN, WE ENTERED INTO NEW AGREEMENT, I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT PHARMACISTS PROVIDE IN HELPING SUPPORT POSITIONS AND OTHER HEALTH CARE IN PROVIDING CARE SCOTIANS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WHAT EVERYBODY PARTICIPATES IN CARE SYSTEM IN NOVA SCOTIA ULTIMATELY ARE STRIVING TO AND THAT ENSURETHEIR PATIENTS, CITIZENS, BROTHERS, SISTERS IS, OUR PARENTS, OUR CHILDREN, NEIGHBOURS, ALL RECEIVE THE HEALTH CARE SERVICES THATNEED AND IT WILL TAKE EVERYBODY IN THESYSTEM WORKING TOGETHERENSURE THAT WE DO PROVIDE THE BEST POSSIBLE TO ALL OF OUR CITIZENS IN THE PROVINCE SO THAT, I RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TO ENSURE WE SPEND THE TAXPAYER MONEYSWE’RE INVESTING IN HEALTH CARE WISELY AND TO IMPROVE THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEMSCOTIANS ON EACH EVERY DAY WE’RE FOCUSED OUR RESULTS. AS I’VE BRIEFLY OUTLINED HERE, WE ARE SEEING POSITIVE RESULTS. THERE IS MUCH TO BE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT MEMBERS OPPOSITE IN THE RESPONSE TO THE BUDGET I THINK THAT IS A TERM THAT WAS USED ABOUT OPTIMISM AND THIS, WE DO SHARE I BELIEVE SCOTIANS SHARE OPTIMISM ABOUT THE THIS PROVINCE AND I BELIEVE THAT OPTIMISM EXTENDS TO THE FUTURE AND THE BEING MADE OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AND BRING CONCLUDE MY OPENING ESTIMATE REMARKS Mr. CHAIR, WANT TO A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK MANY DEDICATED HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS THAT ARE PROVIDING CARE AND SERVICES COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE PROVINCE. PROVIDING THE CARE IN OUR HOSPITALS WHETHER, THEY’RE NEITHER CITY AND IN OUR ACUTE CARE FACILITIES IN OUR REGIONAL OR COMMUNITY HOSPITALS OUT IN THELINES IN COMMUNITY SETTINGS OR THEIR OWN OFFICES. WHETHERARE, Mr. CHAIR, PHYSICIANS, NURSES, SOCIAL WORKERS, PSYCHOLOGISTS, PSYCHIATRISTS, PHARMACISTS, OR OTHER ALLIED PROFESSIONALS, AGAIN, ALL OF US ARE WORKING TOGETHER HOW WE WILL PROVIDE THE BEST POSSIBLE HEALTH CARETHE PEOPLE SCOTIA SO, AGAIN, I WANT IT THANK THEM WITH ALL SINCERITY IT. THE WORKDO EACH EVERY DAY IN DELIVERING THAT CARE BUTFOR THOSE WHO HAVE STEPPED UP TO ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATIONS US WE CONTINUE TO PLAN AND THE MODERNIZATION OF OUR HEALTH SERVICES THE PROVINCE ] AND SUPPORTING THOSE FRONT LINE HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND THOSE NEWS GOVERNMENT, Mr. CHAIR, I WANT TO ALSO RECOGNIZE THE VOLUNTEERS, WHETHER THEY ARE AUXILIARIES FOUNDATIONS SUPPORTING OUR HOSPITALS THROUGHOUT THE OR VOLUNTEERS WITH NONGOVERNMENTAL, NONPROFITPROVIDING

ORGANIZATIONS, MUCH VALUED SUPPORT SERVICES AND SERVICES THATTHE NEEDS OF THEIR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AGAIN, THEY, TOO, ARE INTEGRAL AND CRITICAL PARTTHE DELIVERY CARE SERVICES THE PROVINCE. I WANT TO SURE ARE RECOGNIZED WELL AS WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSIONCARE INVESTMENTS CONTINUE OVER I BELIEVE THE NEXT HOURS INDEED PERHAPS THESEVERAL DAYS AND WITH THAT, Mr. CHAIR, I BELIEVE I’LL CONCLUDE MY REMARKS AND LOOK FORD FORWARD RESPONDING THE QUESTIONS OF THE OPPOSITION AS PROCEED ESTIMATESTHE DEPARTMENT OF WITH AND WELLNESS The BEFORE WE INTO IT, I JUST WANT TOEVERYONE THAT THE RULES OF THE HOUSE APPLY DURING THIS. WE — THE HER ADDRESSED EARLIER IN THE SESSION THAT WE’RETO KEEP CORDIAL RESPECTFUL. THIS SAINT THREE STRIKE OUT RULE, A ONE AND DONE. SO HECKLING RESPECTFUL EACH OTHER AND LET’S GET GOOD QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. WHO IS UP THE MEMBER FROM PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Mr. CHAIR. I TO THANK MINISTER, HIS DEPARTMENT, AND IT’S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IN ESTIMATES TO THANK ALLIED HEALTHPROFESSIONALS WORKING IN NOVA SCOTIA RIGHTING FROM YARMOUTH TO CAPE FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DO. WE KNOW THAT THERE’S CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW IN HEALTH CARE THINK, THOUGH, WHEN WE DO HAVE TO FACED ANY EMERGENCY OR GOING TO THE HOSPITAL, THE CARE IS AND SO DEFINITELY ISOPPORTUNITY TO THANK THEM, AND OF COURSE, ALL THE VOLUNTEERS WORK ON THE DIFFERENT FOUNDATIONS WITH HOSPITALS IN OUR PROVINCE, THERE’S A LOT TIME AND EFFORT THAT GOES INTO FUNDRAISING AND DRAWING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. I WANT TO THANK AS WELL. SO MOVING RIGHT TO THE BUDGET, LOOKING HERE, WE SEE THAT THE OVERALL INVESTMENT, Mr. CHAIR, CARE SECTOR HAS GROWN TO 4.8 BILLION. AND WHAT I’D LIKE TO ASK THE MINISTER IS, THIS INCLUDES 86 MILLION IN TO INCREASED DEMANDSERVICES BUT IT’S NOT OUTLINED EXACTLY WHAT SERVICES. SO I’M HOPING THAT THE MINISTER CAN GIVES MORE GIVE US MORE DETAILED NANNY MAKES UP THE 86.1 MILLION >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR IT VARIES THROUGHOUT, SO SPECIFICALLY FOR CLARITY, THAT AMOUNT THAT IS BEING REFERRED TO I BELIEVEREFERRING THE AMOUNT OFINCREASE TO THE NOVA SCOTIA AUTHORITIES, THE I BELIEVE 70 — OVER $70 MILLION TO THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY AND JUST ABOUT ALMOST 8.5 MILLION TO THE IWK THOSE INCREASES ARE INCREASED VOLUMES IN SOME CASES INCREASED ACUITY OFPATIENTS IN SOME AREAS. IN ADDITION, PARTICULARLY FOR THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY ARE INCREASED OPERATIONAL COSTS FOR NEW DIALYSIS THAT WILL BE COMING ON-LINE IN GLACE BAY, DIGBY, KEMPTVILLE, WELL AS THE NEW CHEMOTHERAPY PREP LAB THAT BEING SET UP AT THE — IN HALIFAX. WITH SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS COME NEW OPERATIONAL COSTS AS SO THOSE INCREASED — AGAIN,BE INCREASED DIALYSIS PROVIDED IN COMMUNITIES AS THOSE INVESTMENTS IN EXPANDED CAPACITY ON-LINE YEAR The Chair: THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> YOU, Mr. CHAIR. AND I THANK THE MINISTER FOR HIS ANSWER. SO IN SPEECH, IT INDICATED THAT WORK CONTINUES TO RECRUITS THAT WE ARE SEEING A BY SUPPORTING COMMUNITY GROUPS WITH THEIR RECRUITMENT. WE RENT CURRENTED THAT CANADA SHOWS THAT NOVA SCOTIA RANKS 4th NATIONALLY FOR TO A PRIMARY HEALTH PROVIDER. SO MY QUESTION IS AND I SPOKE OF IT JUST AN

HOUR AGO OR I STOOD IN MY PLACE. I WONDER IF THE MINISTER CAN EXPLAIN WHAT IS HAPPENING? BECAUSE I INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, A MONTH AGO I RECEIVED CALL SAYING YOU RECEIVED DOCTOR YET FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN. IF NOT, WE’RE JUST CALLING TO INQUIRE AND THEN RECEIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE NURSE PRACTITIONER. THEN I THIS LETTER THIS WEEK OR E-MAIL STATING DO YOU HAVE A DOCTOR OR PRACTITIONER IT BE ABOUT UP FOR A DOCTOR. BUT NOW WE’VE INCLUDING NURSE PRACTICAL TIGGER. I’M WON — NURSE PRACTITIONER. I’M WONDERING WHEN THIS TOOK PLACE THE REGISTRY ME MONTH AGO AND SAID I COULD STILL STAY ON EVEN THOUGH I A NURSE PRACTITIONER. THE VOICE ON THE END OF THE PHONE EXCITE — INDICATED I COULDON I’M USING MYSELF AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE I COULD TABLE THE DOCUMENT FOR PROOF. BUT I’M IT’S HAPPENING TO SO MANY OTHERS AND HEARING IT. SO WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION HERE IT’S YOU’RE ON THE REGISTRY YOU GET THAT IS NOWPRACTITIONER, IN OF GETTING A WE NEED TO CONFIRM THATSCOTIANS AND IT’S THAT WE HAVE CLARITY ON THAT. IF THE COULD ANSWER, PLEASE The MINISTER OF YOU, Mr. CHAIR I HEALTH >> THANKTHINK, Mr. CHAIR, AS — WHEN WE EVALUATE THE WORK OF THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY’S NEED A PRACTICE RENT INDUSTRY, THAT’S WHAT RECOGNIZING IS NOVA SCOTIANS WHO ARE NEED — THAT IS ACCESS TO PRIMARY CARE SERVICES FOR THE DELIVERY OF HEALTH CARE. THAT INCLUDES THE THE PRIORITY OF ATTACHING NOVA SCOTIANS WHO HAVE NO CARE. SO THAT IS WHERE THE EFFORTS ARE PRIMARILY TARGETED WHEN THERE’S PEOPLE TAKING NAMES THE REGISTRY, I THE QUESTION IS WHEN SOMEONEBEING PROVIDED WITH PRIMARY CARE ACCESS AS NURSES ABLE TO PROVIDE WIDE RANGE OF THOSE PRIMARY CARE SERVICES YOU HAVE A WHO HASACCESS TO ANY PRIMARY CARE SERVICES, Mr. CHAIR,REALLY WORK ON REGISTRY IS TRYING TO PRIORITIZE GETTING NOVA SCOTIANS ACCESS TO THE PREMIUMRY CARE THAT NEED — THE PRIMARY CARE THEY NEED THEY WITH A VARIETY CARE PROVIDERS, INCLUDING PHYSICIANS OTHER HEALTH PROVIDERS IN COLLABORATIVE PRACTICES WHERE I BELIEVE THERE’S ABOUT 85 OPERATING IN THE PROVINCE. BUT IN ADDITION, Mr. CHAIR, RECOGNIZING WE STILL HAVE IN PARTICULAR SOME PARTS OF THE MORE CHALLENGES IN MAKING A POSITIVE DENT THE NUMBER PEOPLE WHOREGISTERED THE HEALTH AUTHORITY ALSO ESTABLISHED CLINICS WHICH ARE REALLY RESERVED PEOPLE WAIT SO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO I GUESS KIND A CLINIC ACCESS BEING ATTACHED. SO THOSE CLINICS ARE BEING RESERVED THE DELIVERY OF PRIMARY CARE SERVICES TO THOSE WHO STILL WAITING TO ATTACHED TO AN INDEPENDENT OR SEPARATE PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER FACILITY. I GUESS, AGAIN, IN SPECIFIC TO THE SPECIFIC QUESTION AROUND PHYSICIANS GETTING TO PHYSICIANS, THAT IS STILL EVERY BEING MADE TO ATTACH NOVA SCOTIANS TO PHYSICIANS. BUT, AGAIN, RECOGNIZING THAT IN INSTANCES, A FAMILY — SORRY, NURSE PRACTITIONERS ARE AVAILABLE COMMUNITIES THEY ARE BEING ATTACHED TO NURSE PRACTITIONERS THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ARE ON THE LIST AGAIN REMAINS PROVIDE THEM WITH PRIMARY ACCESS THROUGH EITHER PHYSICIAN OR A NURSE PRACTITIONER EFFORTS WILL I BELIEVE CONTINUE TO RECRUIT THE PHYSICIANS TO MEET NEEDS ALL NOVA SCOTIANS THROUGHOUT PROVINCE BUT, AGAIN, AS I’VE SAID EARLIER IN MY REMARKS, THERE IS A SUPPLY CHALLENGE. WE’RE INVESTING HEAVILY TO THAT. EXPANDING THE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES AND BOTH THROUGH MEDICAL SEATS AS WELL THE

RESIDENCY SEATS AND OUR RECRUITMENT THAT ARE CONTINUING. SO WE ARE IN WAY REDUCING OUR EFFORTS TO RECRUIT TRAIN AND RETAIN PHYSICIANS IN NOVA SCOTIA TO ATTACH NOVA SCOTIANS TO PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIANS. BUT INDEED WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANT VALUABLE ROLE IN THE OF PRIMARY CARE THAT NURSE PRACTITIONERS CAN AS WELL THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> YOU, Mr. CHAIR. AND WANT TO THANK THE FOR I WOULD SAY PUTTING A GOOD EFFORT IN TRYING TO CLARIFY THIS, LET ME BE CLEAR HERE THERE IS MAJOR CONFUSION THIS INPROVINCE RIGHT NOW WITH WHETHER OR NOT — OKAY. I RECEIVED A TWO MONTHS AGO SAYING THAT I WOULD KEPT ON THE LIST FOR A DOCTOR EVEN I HAD A NURSE PRACTITIONER. SOMEONENOT GETTING CORRECT INFORMATION TO THE EMPLOYEES BUT IMPORTANTLY, WE’REGETTING MESSAGE OUT TO NOVA SCOTIANS. SO WHAT WE’RE SAYING RIGHT NOW IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A NURSE PRACTITIONER, YOU ARE NO LONGER ON THE LIST TO RECEIVE A DOCTOR THAT’S MESSAGE WE HAVE TO GET OUT. SO I’M JUST WONDERING IF THE MINISTER, IS ANYTHING IN THIS BUDGETTHAT ANY, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL AMOUNT THAT’S BEING DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE SCOTIANS KNOW NOW IF YOU HAVE A NURSE PRACTITIONER, NOT FELTING A GETTING A DOCTOR The Chair: THE MINISTERHEALTH >> THINK AS THOUGHT I HAD INDICATED, Mr. CHAIR, IN MY PREVIOUS RESPONSE THAT OUR EFFORTS WILL CONTINUE WITH PARTNERS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SUPPLY OF PHYSICIANS TO PROVIDE THE CARE TO NOVA SCOTIANS. WE WILL CONTINUE THOSE RECRUITMENT AND TRAINING EFFORTS MEET THAT SO I WOULDN’T SAY THAT THE LAST COMMENT OF THE MEMBER WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR EFFORTS AGAIN, TO INVESTMENTS,LISTED OF THEM, AGAIN, RECRUITMENT TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, THE MASTER AGREEMENT IS SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT OVER THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT WITH DOCTORS NOVA SCOTIA AND FOR COMPENSATION. I DO ACKNOWLEDGE, Mr. CHAIR, LANGUAGE THAT MEMBER HAS THE FLOOR. I HAVE NOT HEARD OF THE — I GUESS THE CONFUSION THE SCRIPT IOR COMMENTS THAT MADE THROUGH THE PHONE CALL VERSUS THAT OF THE WRITTEN SUBMISSION SO I WILL FOLLOW UP, Mr. CHAIR, THE HEALTH IN TERMS OF SCRIPT THEY’RE USING THROUGH PHONE CALLS AND THE INFORMATION THEY’RE PASSING ON BECAUSE I DO ACKNOWLEDGE BASED THE INFORMATION THE HAS BROUGHT TO FLOOR HERE TODAY BUT THAT’S THE FIRST HEARD OF THIS APPARENT CONTRADICTION BETWEEN THE BEING USED IN A PHONE CALL TO PEOPLE ON THE LIST AND A WRITTEN LETTER BEING SENT OUT. SO I WILL CROSS REFERENCE THOSE TWO PIECES. I BELIEVE THE MEMBER TABLED ALREADY THE ALREADY TABLED THE LETTER. WILL GRAB COPY OF THAT, Mr. CHAIR, AND CERTAINLY BRING THAT BACK TO THEAUTHORITY, AND AGAIN, I’VE NOTED THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PHONE CALL THAT THE MEMBER RECEIVED WHICH APPEARS TO CONTRADICT — APPEARS TO BE A CONTRADICTION AND I BELIEVE ESTIMATE WAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS APART BETWEEN THE PHONE CALL — MONTHS, SORRY, APART BETWEEN THE PHONE CALL AND THE WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE. DEPEND, I THE CONFUSION THAT ARISE FROM THE PHONE CALL AS DESCRIBED AND WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE. SO I WILL REACH TO GET CLARITY AND ENSURE THE HEALTH AUTHORITY AND THOSE WHO ARE COMMUNICATING AND MAKING CALLS PREPARING WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE ENSURE THAT IS CONSISTENCYTHAT TO AVOID ANYCONFUSION MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR. AND I THE MINISTER FOR HIS ANSWERS AND I SINCERELY MEANT EFFORTS. I BELIEVE THERE’S A LOT CONFUSION. MY COLLEAGUES TO THE RIGHT ME HERE ARE SAYING IT’SRIGHT NOW THEIR OFFICES. THERE’S WITH NSHA SAYING YOU WILL TAKEN OFF THE LIST BUT WE HAVE THE REGISTRY CALLING SAYING, NO, YOU CAN STILL STAY ON IN AND, YOU KNOW, THAT’S YOU’VE SIGNED THE BEGINNING IT TWO AGOA YEAR AGO, YOU SIGNED UP TO GET DOCTOR. NOW, HERE’SPERPLEXING OR COMPLEX PARTTHIS I GUESS IS

THAT, FINE,YOU THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER GET ABECAUSE TO NOW YOU HAVE APRACTITIONER. OKAY. BUT ALL THAT DIFFERENT LEVELS EDUCATION, THEY’RE BOTH VALUED ALLIED HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. NEED BOTH IN OUR SOCIETY. YOU KNOW,NO WANT THERE’S THAT. BUT NOW WE’RE HEARING AND I’M SURE ELSE HAS TO HEAR AS WELL. PEOPLE COMING INTO OFFICE SAYING THEY CAN’T GET THEIR INSURANCECOVER WITH A NURSE PRACTITIONER THEY A DOCTOR SIGN OFF I’M JUST WONDERING HOW THE OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS COMBATING THAT AND WHAT ADVICE WOULD THE MINISTER HAVE FOR ANY OF US BECAUSE WHAT’S IS TO TRACK I’M TRYINGDOWN A DOCTOR SEE SO AND SO JUST ONE TO SIGN OFF ON SOMETHING SO THEIR WILL PAY FOR A CERTAIN THAT IS COVERED. BUT NOT — THE INSURANCE COMPANY WILL NOT IT WITHSIGNATURE OF THE NURSE PRACTITIONER. THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE THAT’S, YOU KNOW, HAPPENING AND JUST WONDERING THE MINISTER CAN SOME ADVICE SOME ON THAT MINISTER OF HEALTH? >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR THAT’S AN AREA THAT I RECALL RECEIVING ANY CORRESPONDENCE ON SO TO SAY THAT NONE HAS COME TO THE DEPARTMENT, BUT I DON’T RECALL HAVING CONVERSATIONS OR RECEIVING CORRESPONDENCE FROM ANYONE RAISING THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE CONCERN. CERTAINLY WHERE A LARGE PART OF OURIS OBVIOUSLY ON, YOU KNOW,INSURED SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY THE PROVINCE IS A KEY FOCAL THE CARE THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FORDELIVERING AND THAT’S KIND OF A CORE OF WHAT WE DO. FOR UNSURED SERVICES, I ASSUME THE MEMBER REFERRING TO, THAT A PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANY IS REQUIRING DIFFERENT LEVEL OF CARE. I THAT BECOMES A A CHALLENGE THERE THOSE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND THOSE PRIVATE PROVIDERS WHAT LEVEL OF I GUESS CLINICAL SIGN-OFF THAT THEY REQUIRE. IF THE MEMBER COULD PROVIDESPECIFIC EXAMPLES OFOF RATHER THAN JUST GENERICALLY INSURANCE, EASIER IT MIGHT TO DELVE WHETHER IS SOMETHING THAT IS RECTIFIABLE THROUGH KIND COLLEGE REGULATORY OR LEGISLATIVE RESTRICTIONS OR IF THEY ARE REALLY RESTRICTIONS OR CHALLENGES RELATING TO THE COMMERCIAL ENTITY PROVIDING THE AND REALLY POLICY ON THEIR SO WITHOUTSPECIFIC EXAMPLES, IT’S HARD TO DOWN A POTENTIAL PATH FOR ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Mr. CHAIR. AND JUST ONCE AGAIN, I’LL TABLE THAT E-MAIL THAT I RECEIVED. I THINK PERHAPS THE MINISTER RECEIVE IT, BUT HERE’S ANOTHER COPY SO GOING BACK TO THE BUDGET FOR A MOMENT HERE, I’M LOOKING AT OPERATING COSTS AND THE ESTIMATE 2019-TEN. AND THEFORECAST, OF COURSE, FOR 2019 AND 20. THERE WAS QUITE AN INCREASE. BUT IT’S ESTIMATED YEAR THERE’S A DECREASE I’M WONDERING IF WE CAN HAVE AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT DECREASE The Chair: MINISTER OF HEALTH >> SORRY, Mr. CHAIR, JUST LOOKING A LITTLE OF CLARITY. WHICH PAGE ANDITEM IS THE MEMBER REFERRING TO >> MY APOLOGIES. SO IT’S PAGE 1 THROW 13.3 IT’S RIGHT UNDER SALARY EMPLOYEE BENEFITS. I’M SPEAKING WITH REGARDSOPERATING COSTS THE — NO MINISTER OF HEALTH >> SURE. THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR. JUST AT THE HIGH LEVEL, JUST TO EXPLAIN THE THREE COLUMNS THAT DO UP. THE FIRST COLUMN BEING WHAT WAS TABLED IN THE BUDGET FOR 19-20, WHICH FOR THAT LINE ITEM UNDER

DEPARTMENTAL OPERATING COSTS, 292,000 IN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO THE FORECAST OF 309.5 FOR THE FORECAST. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE EXPECTED CLOSE THE YEAR OUT WHICH MEANS WE’VE BUDGET. THAT’S PART OF ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTSWE’VE TALKED TO. SO WHEN YOU ACTUALLY THE ESTIMATE, THE THIRD COLUMN OF 2021, THAT’S WE’RE TABLING A BUDGET SO BUDGET TO BUDGET, IT’S AN INCREASE. WE’RE ANTICIPATING A BUDGETED INCREASE IN THE SPENDING. SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT ITEMS WE SEE IN THERE INCLUDE OVER 8 MILLION INCREASE IN SENIOR’S PHARMACARE WHICH BASED UPON THE BENEFICIARIES IN THE PROGRAM AND THE UTILIZATION OF THOSE BENEFICIARIES THAT ARE IN THE PROGRAM. ABOUT $650,000 IN HEALTH STRATEGIC INITIATIVES ABOUT $3.5 MILLION RELATED TO AN INCREASE I.T. SPENDING WITH INITIATIVES LIKE OPOR WHICHARE A RATHER I.T PROJECTS. UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS RELATING TO AMORTIZATION EXPENSES. A UNDER 2.5 MILLION FOR EHS PROVINCIAL PROGRAMS AND MEDICAL OVERSIGHTS, AN INCREASE. THE PHYSICIANS AND STAFF, MEDICAL OVERSIGHT, OPERATIONS THAT SUPPORT THE PARAMEDICS THROUGH THE HS SYSTEM. THOSE ARE A NUMBER OF THE CHANGES IN THAT PARTICULAR ITEM MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK Mr. CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO RECRUITING DOCTORS FOR A MOMENT HERE AND WITH REGARDS TO REMOVING THE INCENTIVE FUND OF $150 FOR EACH THAT WE WOULD HAVE A DOCTOR ON,JUST WONDERING IF THE MINISTER CAN GIVE WHAT TOTAL COST OF THAT WAS AND WHAT — WHEN THAT ACTUALLY WILL END AND WHAT — WILL THERE BE ANY OTHER INITIATIVES COMING FOR DOCTORS TO REPLACE ONE THAT BEING TAKEN AWAY The MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR RIGHT NOW, ARE ANTICIPATING FORECASTING THAT WE WILL SPEND $10 MILLION ON THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM AGAIN, JUST CLARITY, THE PROGRAM ALWAYS DESIGNED AS A TEMPORARY MEASURE AS WE INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE DOCTORS NOVA SCOTIA IN 2018, WE RECOGNIZED THAT LISTENING TO PHYSICIANS ON FRONT LINE, THE IMPORTANT ROLE THAT A REMUNERATION COMPENSATION PLAYED,THAT WAS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT ONE — ONE OFIMPORTANT STEPS BE TAKING TO IMPROVE ACCESS TOFOR NOVA SCOTIANS. SO THE MEMBER MAY RECALL WE MADE AN ALMOST $40 MILLION INVESTMENT IN VARIOUS PROGRAMS WE ANNOUNCED I AROUND MARCH OF 2018. THIS IS WHEREPROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED. WHAT WE DID FOR THAT RECOGNIZING WHAT WERE LAUNCHING, WERE LAUNCHED TO BRIDGE US AT THE TAIL THETHAT WAS IN AT THAT TIME TO PROVIDE AIN’T INVESTMENT, RECOGNIZING IMPORTANCE TO PHYSICIANS WHILE WE CONTINUED OUR NEGOTIATIONS. WHEN THE NEW MASTER AGREEMENT CAME ON-LINE, AS THE MEMBER MENTIONED, WHAT INVESTMENTS INCENTIVES WHAT YOU, THAT IS THE TOTAL AS IN THE MASTER WITH DOCTORS NOVA SCOTIA. THAT BRINGS IN THE TOTALITY OF THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM AND INCENTIVE WAS NOT PART THAT. I BELIEVETHE OF DOCTORS NOVA SCOTIA NOTED AGAIN THAT THE MANY — IF YOU LOOK ATCOLLECTIVE OF THE MANY THINGS WE’VE BEEN DOING, THIS ONE, AGAIN IS, RUNG ITS COURSE. AS FAR AS THE TIMING OF IT, THE NEW PATIENTS THAT ARE SEEN I BELIEVE BY THE END OF THIS MONTHELIGIBLE BE SUBMITTED AS PER THE OVERALL BILLING TERMS,

PHYSICIANS HAVE 90 TO SUBMIT A BILL. SO WHILE THE ELIGIBILITY IS PATIENTS THAT ARE INTO PRACTICES BY THE END OF THE MONTH,PAYMENT BE SUBMITTED OR THE BY PHYSICIANS, HAVE 90 DAYS TO SUBMIT TO THE PROGRAM SO WE MAY STILL EXPENSES IN THIS PROGRAM TO 90 DAYS AFTER MARCH 1st. THATCLARE FOR THE MEMBER Mr THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR. THANK THE MINISTER HIS ANSWER. THERE’S A BIT OFSHUFFLE HERE RECRUITMENT AND REPAYMENT AND THERE’S BEEN — WELL, COMMUNITIES CULTURE AND HERITAGE TAKEN ON A ROLEI’M WONDERING IF THE MINISTER CAN ME IN THE OF WHERE IN THIS BUDGET ARE WE COST-SHARING ON OR IS THAT COMPLETELY OUT OF COMMUNITIES, CULTURE, AND HERITAGE, AND PERHAPS JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT WHY THE PASSING OFF ON RESPONSIBILITY TO COMMUNITIES, CULTURE, AND HERITAGE >> MINISTER HEALTH >> THANK Mr. CHAIR AGAIN, I THINK WE MIGHT CHOOSE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE TO CLASSIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND COLLEAGUE IN THE OF COMMUNITY CULTURE AND HERITAGE, THAT WE BELIEVE THAT AS A GOVERNMENT WE’VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO DOWN THE SILOS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS Mr. CHAIR. SUCH THAT WE DON’T NECESSARILY THINK OFBEING PASSED OFF ON TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT BUT LOOK AT THIS REALLY RECOGNIZINGTHE DELIVERY OF SERVICES TO CITIZENS, THAT GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO ACT AS A TOTAL ORGANIZATION RATIONALE I GUESS I THINK IS WHAT THE MEMBER HASTO INTO TRIED WHY WOULD HAVE CHOSEN TOTHE DEPARTMENT CULTURE AND HERITAGE AS THEMECHANISM FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM. AND THE RATIONALE REALLY IS IN PART THE MEMBER MAY RECALL SEVERAL YEARS AGO EARLY IN OUR MANDATE WHERE WE DID. SO SIGNIFICANT RESTRUCTURING THROUGH GOVERNMENT. IT RESULTED IN VAST MAJORITY OF GOVERNMENT GRANTS AND PROGRAMS BEING AMALGAMATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, CULTURE, AND HERITAGE DEPARTMENT. THE RATIONALE IS THAT FOR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, MAY ONLY CONSIST OF HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE A LOT OF VERYWORK THE GROUND INCOMMUNITIES THAT THEY KNOW BEST IN THE PAST, PRIOR TO THAT RESTRUCTURING AND THE OF COMMUNITY CULTURE AND HERITAGE, ORGANIZATIONS HAVE TO GO TO MANY DEPARTMENTS TO TRY TO FIND THE FUNDING TO PROVIDE THEIR SERVICES TO THE PEOPLE SCOTIA. JUST FELT THAT CONSOLIDATING COMMUNITY-BASED PROGRAMSSUPPORTS UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY, CULTURE, AND HERITAGE WOULD ALLOW KIND A SINGLE OF ENTRY AND CONTACTGOVERNMENT IN CASE OF THIS PROGRAM, REALLY IS A PROGRAM NOT TARGETED AT HEALTH HEALTH DELIVERY,RATHER TARGETED AT COMMUNITY PROMOTION, RECOGNIZING THE STRENGTH COMMUNITY SO ON ALTHOUGH THE INTENT IS TO LEVERAGE THAT PROMOTION IN RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION OF PHYSICIANS CARE PROVIDERS, THE ACTUAL PROGRAMS THAT BEING DEVELOPED AND DESIGN READY HEAVILY FOCUSED ON COMMUNITY WHICH AGAIN IS THE AREA THAT CULTURE AND HERITAGE HAS STRENGTH AND CAPACITY. FOR MAIN REASONS, ONE IS THE STRENGTH COMMUNITY PROMOTION, AS WELL AS THE GRANT DELIVERY MECHANISM AND ADMINISTRATION THEY HAVE. THAT ALLOWS NEWS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WELLNESS TO CONTINUE FOCUS ON THE MORE POLICY, HEALTH CLINICAL, TYPE OF THAT WE’RE FOCUSED WORK ON AND, AGAIN, I THINK IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF DEPARTMENTS TAKING SILOS, NOT BEING FOCUSED ON THAT ASPECT BUT BEING FOCUSED ON THE PEOPLE SCOTIA HOW WE CAN ALL TOGETHER INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF TO ACHIEVE THE OPTIMAL OUTCOMESSCOTIANS EXPECT US TO DO

The Chair: THE FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR. I AGREE WITH THE IN BREAKING DOWN THOSE SILOS AND I FEEL COLLECTIVELY THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTS, WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER WE KNOW THAT THERE’S A OF — THROUGH THE MINISTER OF IMMIGRATION, HAS DONEWONDERFUL IN RECRUITING AND RETAINING THROUGH DIFFERENT IMMIGRATION PROGRAMS. SO I’M JUST WONDERING THE MINISTER TELL ME, THOUGH, OFTEN DOES HE AND MINISTER OF IMMIGRATION AND THE MINISTER OF COMMUNITIES, CULTURE, AND HERITAGE MEET TO DISCUSS RECRUITMENT AND RETAINMENT ACTUALLY DEPARTMENTSINVOLVED The Chair: MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK Mr. CHAIR AGAIN, AS THE MEMBER OF NOTED, TRANSITIONING INTO THE ROLE OF IMMIGRATION AND FOR BOTH PHYSICIANS AND OTHER HEALTH PROVIDERS, I MENTIONED IN MY OPENING REMARKS THESUCCESS WE’VE HAD WITH RECRUIT CONTINUING CARE CARE CARE ASSISTANTS AS WELL THROUGH BEING PROVIDED THE DEPARTMENT IMMIGRATION. I THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HOW FREQUENTLY MEET BUT I GUESS WE MEET FOR — FREQUENTLY THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF YEAR. AND WE — WHEN WE DO MEET, AS COLLEAGUES, AS WE DO WITH OTHER COLLEAGUES, WE DO CONSISTENTLY TALK ABOUT THE TOPICS OF JOINT I GUESS INTEREST OR OVERSIGHT OR OVERLAP AND IN ADDITION TO OUR ENGAGEMENT CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE, Mr. CHAIR, IT’S ALSO OUR DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS IN OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT CONTINUE MEET FROM THE DEPUTIES LEVEL, DEPUTIES MEETINGS, STAFF, PARTICULAR PROJECTS OR AREAS SO, FOR EXAMPLE, STAFF WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS, WHO WORK WITH AN EYE TOWARDS HEALTH HUMAN RESOURCES, WOULD PROVIDE INPUT INTO DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION IFSEE AREAS WE THINK WE MAY NEED TO RELY MORE INTERNATIONAL SUPPORT. ANDWOULD WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION KNOW HOW TO BEST DELIVER IMMIGRATION STRATEGIES PROGRAMS AND PROMOTION TO SUPPORT NEEDS THAT MAY HAVE FROM A HEALTH HUMAN RESOURCE DEMAND SUPPLY REQUIREMENT MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> I’M WONDERING THE MINISTER CAN TELL US WHEN WAS THE LAST RECRUITMENT CONFERENCE, HOW MANY REPRESENTATIVES WENT FOR NOVA SCOTIA, AND AS WELL AS IF HE CAN POINT ME IN THE DIRECTION IN THE BUDGET OF THE COSTSWOULD FOR FOR OR CENTRE THAT RECRUIT RETAIN. I’M SURE WHERE IN THE BUDGET I WOULD FIND THE COST THEIR SERVICES The Chair: THE MINISTERHEALTH? >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR THANK MEMBER THE FOR THE QUESTION. THE SPECIFIC OPERATIONAL TASK RECRUITMENT FALLS TO THE NOVA HEALTH AUTHORITY. SO THE NOVAHEALTH AUTHORITY IS THE — SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I THE MEMBER WOULD KNOW IN HER COMMUNITY IN THE PICTOU AREA WHO THE RECRUITER IS. THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE NOVA HEALTH AUTHORITY. SO IT’S THE NOVA HEALTH AUTHORITY’S BUDGET COVERS THE COST. THAT WOULD BE SIMILARLY THE — I THINK THE FIRST PART THE QUESTION, Mr. CHAIR, RELATED TO RECRUITMENT CONFERENCES, NATIONALLYINTERNATIONALLY TO ATTEND THE NATIONAL TYPES OF RECRUITMENT CONFERENCES WOULD BE REALLY LED BY THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH RECRUITMENT DEPARTMENT. SO THAT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT ADVISED ON FOR EACH TIME THEY GO CERTAINLY FOR INTERNATIONAL IMMIGRATION, THE DEPARTMENT IMMIGRATION IS OFTEN INVOLVED WITH THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY AS THEY GO ON THOSE RECRUITMENT ENDEAVORS, MISSIONS, THINK OFTEN IF NOT ALWAYS ITHE DEPARTMENT OF IMMIGRATION OFTEN DOES OUT A NEW RELEASE WHEN THEY ARE GOING ON THOSE INTERNATIONAL ONES. SO IF THE MEMBER IS SPECIFICALLY ASKING ABOUT INTERNATIONAL RECRUITMENT CONFERENCES AND INITIATIVES, I DON’T HAVE THE SPECIFIC DETAILS OFF TOP I’M SURE IF THE MEMBER WENT TO THE GOVERNANCE WEBSITE TO LOCK UP NEWS RELEASES FOR THE OFFICE

IMMIGRATION, KNOW FOR FACT BEEN SEVERAL OVERPAST YEAR The MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> YOU, Mr. CHAIR. I’M GOING TO MOVE ON TO VIRTUAL HEALTH CARE. JUST IN THE LAST YEAR — I’M WONDERING HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT ON VIRTUAL HEALTH CARE IN TOTAL AND PERHAPS WHAT IS FORECASTED FOR YEAR COMING The Chair: THE MINISTER >> YOU, Mr. CHAIR. GUESS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN RESPONDING TO THAT QUESTION IS HOW DEFINES GOESDEFINING VIRTUAL CARE AND HOW INVESTMENTS AND INITIATIVES GET RECORDED DOCUMENTED REALLY, WHEN — IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT VIRTUAL CARE IN THE CONTEXT OF VIDEO CONFERENCING TYPE OF — FOR THINGS LIKE VIDEO CONFERENCING BETWEEN PATIENTS AND PROVIDERS OR IF TALKING IN A MORE BROAD CONTEXT WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MESSAGING, TEXT-BASED MENDING LIKE FACEBOOK MESSENGER TYPE INTERVENTIONS, WHERE THE — THE TECHNOLOGY. SOARE — AND THEN WHEN FACTOR THAT, THERE ARE THE COSTS OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE COSTS OF SERVICE PROVIDERS. SO THE PHYSICIANS IN CASE OF VIRTUAL CARE BEING PROVIDED, THE — IN THE CASE OF PHYSICIANS — HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS PROVIDINGED CARE, SOME OF THE COSTS WOULD CAPTURED THROUGH EITHER ENSURED SERVICES OR SALARY LINES. NOT NECESSARILY BE ROLLED UP AS VIRTUAL CARE. SO GUESS REALLY WHAT I’M GETTING Mr. CHAIR, IS I DON’T I HAVE THE SPECIFIC DOLLAR ORDER. ORDER THERE’S A LOT OF CHATTER IN CHAMBER. IT’S HARD TO HEAR MINISTER. I THAT EVERYBODY LOWER IT AND ALLOW THE MINISTER AND THE MEMBER TO HAVEDIALOGUING THEY CAN HEAR OF HEALTH? SO AGAIN, >> DEPENDING ON WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHICH ASPECTS THE MEMBER REFERRING TO, IFREALLY FOCUSED OR TALKING ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY PLATFORMS, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE HEALTH SYSTEM, I THINK THAT’S SOMEWHERE IN THE — AROUNDTOWARDS THE DELIVERY THOSE SERVICES FOR THE 2019-20 FISCAL YEAR, BUT IN ADDITION, YOU’VE DEPOSIT COSTS THAT GET DELIVERED IN OTHER I.T. SERVICES LIKE IN THE PUBLIC HEALTH SPACE, THERE’S A SYSTEM CALLED PANORAMA THAT IS USED FOR VACCINATION MONITORING AS WELL AS FOR OTHER PUBLIC HEALTH OUTBREAK SITUATIONS. SO IT’S DIDN’T ADVERTISING THOSE TYPES OF HEALTH SERVICES — DIGITIZING THOSE TYPES HEALTH SERVICES BUT IN ADDITION TO THOSE COSTS, THERE ARE SOMETIMES THE COSTS GET WRAPPED UP IN NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY BUDGETS AND THAT HAVE A CLINIC PROVIDING A SPECIALIST HALIFAX, FOR EXAMPLE, PROVIDING VIRTUAL TELEHEALTH SERVICES ANOTHER PART OF THE PROVINCE SO YOU CAN HAVE SPECIALIST IN HALIFAX USING VIDEO CONFERENCING TO ANOTHER OR CLINIC AND, AGAIN, THOSE COSTS WOULD ROLLED UP IN THE OPERATIONAL COSTS OF THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY AND THE IWK. SO, AGAIN, TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER THE SYSTEM, I SAID IN MY OPENING REMARKS, PLEXTY, THE –COMPLEXITY, PAUSE OF THE WIDER OF SERVICES BEING OFFERED BY PARTNERS, IT GETS VLISED AND DICES DIFFERENT WAYS IT MAKES SENSE IN THE OPERATION TO ORGANIZED BUT IT MAY ROLL IN THE WAY THAT MEMBERS THE FLOOR OF THE LEGISLATURE BE TO SEE THE DOLLARS AND CENTS BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT

PROVIDERS AT SPOTS THE SYSTEM MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> YOU, Mr. CHAIR. SO BERARDS TO MY HEALTH NOVA SCOTIA AND — WITH REGARDS TO MY HEALTH NOVA SCOTIA AND THE DISCONTINUATION OF IT, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANYTHING TO REPLACE IT AND WHAT CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN TAKING FOR SOMETHING REPLACE IT? WE KNOW THAT MANY SPOKE ON THIS AND INDICATED THAT WERE A 20% EFFICIENCY IN USING SERVICE. KNOW THATSERVED OVER 38,000 NOVA SCOTIANS. WE KNOW OVER 300 DOCTORS USED IT AND WANT SOMETHING REPLACE IT. I’M WONTERRING IF MINISTER CAN UPDATE THAT The Chair: MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR. AS IT RELATES TO MY HEALTH AND US AS I MEMBERS AWARE, CERTAINLY BEEN REPORTED PUBLICLY THE VENDOR IN THE LAST FISCAL INDICATED THAT THEY NOT INTEND TO RENEW THEIR CONTRACT WITH NOVA SCOTIA. MORE RECENTLY, Mr. CHAIR,VENDOR INDICATED THEY BE WINDING UP THEIR OPERATIONS ACROSS COUNTRY IN CANADA AND THAT NOTIFICATION I WENT OUT TO PATIENTS WITHIN LAST WEEK TWO Mr. CHAIR, THAT WERE AS A BELIEVE BACK IN 2016 WHEN MY HEADLIGHT HEALTH NS LAUNCHLAUNCHED, THE FIRST TO ROLL OUT A PATIENT PLATFORM. THERE ARE TWO KEYSES OF FUNCTIONALITY WERE PROVIDED BY THAT SERVICE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. THAT INCLUDES THE FIRST PHASE WHICH THE DELIVERY OF LAB AND IMAGING TEST RESULTS THROUGH WEB-BASED AND THEN ABOUT A YEAR AGO, SYSTEM ADDED AN ADDITIONAL MODULE ENABLED ESSENTIALLY MESSAGING FUNCTIONALITY, SIMILAR TO LOGGING INTO AND USING FACEBOOK MESSENGER. IT WOULD BE A SECURE PLATFORM BETWEEN THE HEALTH SERVICE PROVIDER, THING IF, AND PATIENT. SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN PIECES OF FUNCTIONALITY WERE IN THE PLATFORM. AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, GO FORWARD TECHNOLOGY REPLACEMENTS, WE’VE BEEN EVALUATING PRODUCTS THERES OF ADVANCEMENTS IN RELATION TO TECHNOLOGY IN THE AREA OF — WELL IN, AREAS OF HEALTH CARE. IT’S I BELIEVE ONE OF FASTEST-GROWING AREAS WITHINI.T SPACE TECHNOLOGY FOR HEALTH CARE SERVICES AND THAT INCLUDES BOTH IN PHYSICIAN OFFICES FOR PHYSICIANS AS WELL FOR REALLY THAT EMERGING THEY’RE WERE THE LEADING OF WHICH IS PATIENT ACCESS SO FOR THE OPTIONS THAT OUT THERE, WE DIDN’T FIND ANY WHEN STAFF WERE DOING THEIR EVALUATIONS, AS THAT WOULD REALLY IN THEENVIRONMENT MEET OUR EXPECTATIONS. BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZED THAT OTHER ASPECTS AND TECHNOLOGY PLATFORMS WITHIN OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM HAVE ALSO EVOLVED IN NOVA SCOTIA SINCE 2016. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, OVER THE LAST 1 TEAT 24 IN NOVA SCOTIA, WE HAVE — THE LAST 18 TO 24 MONTHS IN NOVA SCOTIA, WE HAVE WORKED WITH PRIMARY CARE HEALTH CARE WORKERS TO UPGRADE WHAT ARE ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS OR EMRs. THAT SOFTWARE IS USED IN DOCTOR’S OFFICES. WHEN YOU GO YOUR PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER, THE SOFTWARE THEY WOULD BE RECORDING YOUR IN, THAT’S CALLED EMR SOFTWARE. SOFTWARE, Mr. CHAIR, WE WORKED WITH PHYSICIANS AND SAW THEM TRANSITION AND UPGRADE TO NEW SOFTWARE ACROSS THE PROVINCE. I THINK ALMOSTHAVE BEEN UPGRADED IN THE LAST 18 TO 24 MONTHS. NOW RUNNING ON ESSENTIALLY TWO PRODUCT LINES, ONLYDIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT ARE BEING USED BY PHYSICIANS NOW IN NOVA SCOTIA. AND FUNCTIONALITY IN UPGRADED SOFTWARE INCLUDES THE POTENTIAL

THE USE OF A MODULE FOR EMESSAGING. NOW, IN 2016, EVEN YEAR AGO, THAT FUNCTIONALITY WAS NOT EVEN AN OPTIONPHYSICIANS IN THE EMR PLATFORM WERE USING. WITH UPGRADES, THAT’S NOWOPTION. NOT IS IT AN OPTION IN — OFVENDORS, SOME EVALUATION DETERMINED, Mr. CHAIR, THAT ABOUT OF PHYSICIANS ON ONE OF THE EMR PLATFORMS WERE ALREADY USING THAT eMENDING MODULE, EVEN THOUGH WERE RUNNING A PROVINCIAL SYSTEM, MY HEALTH NS THAT PROVIDED FUNCTIONALITY. SO ONCE WETHAT INFORMATION AND REAL ESTATE WERE CONSIDERING OPTIONS SAID, YOU WHAT, WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND A DEEPER ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR HEALTH CARE TO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WENT WITH THEIR EMR WHEN THERE WAS AT THAT TIME DIFFERENT PROVINCIAL PLATFORM AVAILABLE TO THEM WE NEED BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT WE MAKE A ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD ON WHAT PLATFORM CRITERIA MAY HAVE THE DELIVERY OF PATIENT CENTRIC PORTAL ACCESS TO HEALTH INFORMATION. BUT IN THESENSE TO THE MEMBER’S LINEQUESTIONING, ARE WE TO CONTINUE TO IN MODERNIZING THE I.T TO MODERNIZE THE DELIVERY OF HEALTH CARE AND SUPPORT CARE PROVIDERS ARE LOOKING FOR — THEIR PATIENTS ALTERNATE NATIONAL WAYS TO PROVIDE CARE AND ENHANCE THEIR FISH AND I PRODUCTIVE ANY WE ARE. WE CONTINUE TO BE TO THAT BUT WE’RE ALSO COMMITTED TO DOING ITRIGHT The Chair: MEMBER PICTOU WEST >> YOU VERY MUCH. LIKE TO ASK THE WHAT HAS BEEN THE TOTAL COST INVESTED IN PATIENT ONE RECORDDATE The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> YOU, Mr. CHAIR AGAIN, JUST — I’LL TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT SO THE MEMBERS DO WHAT OPOR IS. THAT A CALLED OPOR IS ONE PATIENT, ONE RECORD. IN MY RESPONSE, I TALKING ABOUT HEALTH INFORMATION SYSTEM CALLED EMR. AND THAT’S WHY, AGAIN, APOLOGIZE FOR THE FOR CLARITY, BUT I DON’T THINK FULLY WHAT EACH OF THESE SYSTEMS ARE AND HOW THEY’RE BUT DIFFERENT. SO THEEMR, ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORD, WOULD BE SOFTWARE IN A PHYSICIAN’S OFFICE. OPOR, ONE PATIENT, ONE RECORD, IS THE HOSPITAL CLINICALSYSTEM. THAT WOULD BE THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM WOULD FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN THIS PROJECT IS AND ROLLED OUT ACROSS THE PROVINCE, HAVE ALL OF OUR HOSPITALS CONNECTED TO THE SAME MEDICAL RECORDS THAT IF YOU’RE PATIENT YOU GO TO YOUR LOCAL EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT FOR THE MEMBER, Mr. CHAIR, IN PICTOU MYSELF IN ANTIGONISH, THAT WITH RESULT OUR RECORDS STORED. CURRENTLY, THEY WOULD BE STORED STORED AND ONLY AVAILABLE IN OUR HOSPITAL WHEN OPOR COMPLETE, IF WE WERE ANOTHER PART OF THE PROVINCE AND HAD TO GO TO AN EMERGENCY ELSEWHERE, Mr. SPEAKER, THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO OUR HOSPITAL BACK IN ANTIGONISH AND I’LL JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM. I’LL USE — MEMBER, Mr. CHAIR, OBVIOUS USES EXAMPLES FROM PERSONAL LIFE I’LL USE A ONE. AYEARS AGO, MY SON HAD A PARTICULAR CONDITION IN ANTIGONISH IT. REQUIRED A REFER REFERRAL THE IWK. NOT SO URGENT WE REQUIRED SERVICES SO WE DROVE, MY WIFE DROVE MY UP TO THE IWK. IT WAS REFERRALCAME FROM THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AT St. MARCH THAT’S REGIONAL. HE WAS — SHEPROVIDED HIS MEDICAL RECORDS TO TAKE TO THE IWKHIM WITH THE PATIENT. HAD THAT HAPPENED THIS SUMMER WHEN WE CAMPING IN THE VALLEY, TO GO INTO ANALYSIS COMMUNITY HEALTH — ANNAPOLIS COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTRE., AGAIN AS’ WAS PROVIDED THE MEDICAL FROM THE

ANNAPOLIS COUNTY TO TAKE ME TO THE HOSPITAL THAT’S THE CHALLENGE. THEY HAVE A SYSTEM ON SITE BUT IT’S NOT INTEGRATED WITH THE RECEIVING FACILITY. WITH OPOR, THE IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE DATA ENTERED AND IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE AT ANY OF THE OTHER FACILITIES BE REFERRED TO. SO THAT’S JUST THE CONTEXT OF WHAT OPOR SO PEOPLE APPRECIATE. THAT NOW, THE SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS THE COST OF OPOR. SOPROJECT STARTED BACK IN 2014-15 SO EXPENDITURE TO IS ESTIMATED TO BE — >> NO. (INAUDIBLE) >> BUT THIS IS THE — SORRY, JUST SECOND HERE >> (INAUDIBLE) >> SORRY, JUST THE NUMBER WAS ABOUT TO ARTICULATE WOULD BE THE TOTAL AMOUNT SPENT BE SPENT. I THE QUESTIONMUCH HAS BEEN WAS HOW SPENT. THE AMOUNT SPENT BETWEEN 2014-15 AND FORECASTED TO THE END OF FISCAL 19-20 IS ABOUT $4.7 MILLION AND THAT WOULD BE FOR ALL THE PREPARATORY WORK AS WELL THE RFP PROCESS TO DATE THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR. I THANK THE HIS ANSWER. MINISTER FOR CLARIFICATION, ONE PATIENT, RECORD, IT’S A GREAT PROJECT IF WE CAN EVENTUALLY BE IMPLEMENTED. BUT TO DATE, WE’RE BASICALLY THE MONEY THAT WE’VE INVESTED SO FAR IS JUST IN PREPARATION FOR IT STARTED BACK IN 2015 OR SO. IS THIS PROJECT THROUGH THE MINISTER’S DEPARTMENT OR THROUGH NSHA AND MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY EMPLOYED WORKING ON IT AND OUT OF THAT NUMBER HEME, I’M WONDERING HOW MUCH THAT WENT ACTUAL EMPLOYEES Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR. AS MY EARLIER REMARKS THE QUESTION ON VIRTUALTHE CHALLENGE OF GETTINGEXACT NUMBERS THAT PLAY OUT, IN THE AREA OF OPOR, IT IS A PROJECT THAT HAVE — THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WELLNESS, BUT OBVIOUSLY REQUIRES COLLABORATION WITH OUR PARTNERS WITH ISD WHICH PROVIDES INTERN SERVICES, THAT PROVIDE I.T. SERVICES GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO THE IWK AND THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY BECAUSE THIS WILL BE A SINGLESYSTEM T SPAN BOTH OFHEALTH AUTHORITIES, THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY AND THE IWK AND AGAIN, MUCH OF THE WORK AND WE’VE CERTAINLY HAD SOME CONSULTANTS THE EXPERTISE HELP INFORM AND US THROUGH THE READINESS AND THE PRO COWERMENT. BUT ALSO — PROCUREMENT, BUT ALSO WHAT IT DIFFICULT TOTHE OF EMPLOYEESTHE OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND THE HEALTH AUTHORITIES IS THEYVARY. THERE WOULD BE A OF CLINICIANS WHOCOME INTO THE SYSTEM TO PROVIDE SUPPORT AS WE’RE DOING THE ANALYSIS. FOR EXAMPLE, IFLOOK AT THE MATERNITY OR THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, THERE BEEN REPRESENTATIVES PROVIDED EARLY ANALYSIS TO SAY WHAT ARE THE KINDS OF SERVICES AND FEATURES THAT WOULD YOU IN AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT NOR THE MATERNITY WARD — OR IN THE MATERNITY WARD OR THE ICU ANY AREA OF THAT WOULD HAVE THE HELPED INFORM AT THE STAGES WHAT CRITERIA WOULD BE FOR THE CRITERIA THIS PROJECT AND SO THE PEOPLE WEREDEDICATED NECESSARILY TO THE PROJECT BUT THEY BEEN PROVIDING SUPPORT AND WORKIT SO I DON’T HAVE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC FTEs BECAUSE AGAINTHIS STAGE, A THRIFTY IS BUSINESS ANALYSIS WORK ATFRONT END THEN YOU HAVE THE PROJECT OR THE PROCUREMENT TEAM DURING THE ANDTHE STAFF THAT DEDICATED THE OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS, INTERNAL SERVICES, POTE FOR THEIR SERVICES AND PROCUREMENT. BOTH HEALTH AUTHORITIES, AS WELL SOME CONSULTING SUPPORT. AGAIN, IT

SPANS NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS SO DEPARTMENT DOESN’T HAVE THE, IN ESTIMATE BOOKS THE NUMBER ONSPECIFIC PROJECT The Chair: THEPICTOU FOR WEST YOU. I’D LIKE TO ASK, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT AMOUNT, 4WHATEVER MILLION, THERE’S NOTHING TANGIBLE. IT BASICALLY HAS BEEN 9 HAS BEEN PUT TOWARDS EMPLOYEES — IT BASICALLY HAS BEEN MONEY THAT HAS PUT TOWARDS EMPLOYEES AND IN 2020, YEARS LATER, WE DON’T HAVE ANYTHING THAT’S IMPLEMENTED JUST LIKE TO CONFIRM IF THAT IS BASICALLY REPRESENTING INDIVIDUALS ARE WORKING ON THIS AND THAT THERE’S ACTUALLY NO TANGIBLE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS — WHENSCOTIANS EXPECT THIS TOIMPLEMENTED? The Chair: THE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> YOU, Mr. CHAIR. I THANK MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. INDEED, AGAIN, I DISAGREE IS IT THAT THE CHAIR PUTS IT, DISAGREEMENTS FACT. I BELIEVE THERE IS A TANGIBLE. WE HAVE CERTAINLY THE — SCUM ONE SECOND — EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECOND FAMILY THIS PROJECT DOES START WITH WHAT SOME PEOPLE MAY CONSIDER INTANGIBLES. BUT THAT’S TOO SAY THAT AN TANGIBLE IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. SO THAT BUSINESS THAT GETS DONE AT THE FRONT END OF A PROJECT IT IS, IT VERY WELL KNOWN, DOING UP FRONT BUSINESS ANALYSIS AND PLANNING AS TO WHAT THE SYSTEM NODES ARE. THAT ENSURES THAT WHEN YOU INTO THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, Mr. CHAIR, YOU HAVE THE ARE. SO YOU TANNINGBLY HAVE A SYSTEM THAT POINT TIMEYOU DON’T HAVE THE INFORMATION AND Mr. CHAIR, UFA YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE MOST VALUABLE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE WORLD THESE DAYS,ORGANIZATIONS THAT AREUPON A OF INFORMATION AND DATA. ANDIS VERY MUCH TANGIBLE ANDTHAT WORK THAT WE’VE DONE HAS VALUE, SIGNIFICANT VALUE STATUS OF OPOR PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ARE STILL IN THE RFP STAGE BUT WE IN THE VERY LATTER STAGES OF RFP. SO SUBMISSIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING. AND LOOK FORWARD TO PROVIDING AN UPDATECOMPLETED AND VENDOR IS AND THAT WILL RESULT AT THAT POINT IN TIME IN, AGAIN, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION. BUT AT STAGE WHERE THE DISCUSSIONS ONGOING THE VENDORSHAVE SUBMITTED TO THE RFP, THERE’S REALLY IN A LOT OF DETAILS I CAN PROVIDE ON THAT PROGRESS OTHER THAN SAYING IS NEARING THE LATTER STAGES OF THE RFP AND, AGAIN, WHEN A IS MADE, OBVIOUSLY AS WITH PROCUREMENTS THROUGHOUT GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC IS MADE The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU ABOUT THREE MINUTES LEFT >> THANK SO MUCH. WE KNOW THAT ONE PATIENT RECORD DO SO WELL B.C. THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS AND I’M THE MINISTER AWARE OF CONCERNS I AGREE, ALWAYS COLLECTING DATA, BUT FIVE YEARS LATER, AND WE STILL CAN’T ACCESS THIS WONDERING AT TIMES — LET’S IMPLEMENT IT. YOU’RE RIGHT, WE’RE CONSTANTLY EVOLVING WE’RE CONSTANTLY LIVING A MODERN WORLD WE HAVEKEEP ADDING THINGS. WHY DON’T WE JUST IMPLEMENT IT AND IMPROVE AS BE GO ALONG. I THINK SCOTIANS WANT TO KNOW, THOUGH, IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, STILL DON’T HAVE A THAT THEY CAN ACCESS AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE COSTTHIS SO I’M WONDERING IF THE MINISTER CAN PROVIDE A FIGURE DOLLAR AMOUNT IN WHAT HE BELIEVES THIS COST TAXPAYERS OF NOVA SCOTIA The Chair: THE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> YOU, Mr. CHAIR. AS I’VE INDICATED, WE ARE NEARING THE ENDING STAGES OF RFP THOSE DISCUSSIONS AROUNDSPECIFIC COSTS OF THOSE, SO AGAIN EARLY WORK THAT WAS DONE IN FIRST COUPLE OF WAS NEXTED ON REQUIREMENTS, GATHERING AND ANALYSIS. WE DID AGOOD OF DOING

THAT WORK, WE KNOW WHAT THE SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO TO MEET NEEDS OF OUR FRONT LINE HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND WE THE VALUE THAT CARE WORKERS PUTTHOSE SERVICES THAT GUIDING OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH PERSPECTIVE TORES INRFP PROCESS DEPEND, I WOULDN’T TAR PARTICULAR LIT THAT WHY WE’RE STILL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE VENDORS TO ENSURE WE GET THE BEST DEAL POSSIBLE. I IF WE TO THE VENDORS WHAT WE THINKBE TO PAY, SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT THE FINAL FIGURE THAT THOSE PERSPECTIVE VENDORS PROVIDE WILL COME SOMEWHERE NEARLY EXACTLY AT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND HOPE, Mr. CHAIR, WOULD BE THAT WE CAN COME IN SOMEWHERE THAT AMOUNT The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST. ONE LEFT >> SO MUCH. JUST TO THANK THE MINISTER FOR THOSE ANSWERS. IT’S — IT SEEMS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN TAKING LOT LONGER THAN IT SHOULD. YOU KNOW, FIVE , MILLIONS OF IN, THERE DOUBT IT’S SPECULATION NOT BUT IT HAS BEEN IN MEDIA. WE’RE LOOKING THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR A SYSTEM THAT NOVA SCOTIANS AT THISDON’T HAVE A LOT FAITH IN SO I’M WONDERING HIS DEPARTMENT IS DOING RELATE TO NOVA SCOTIANS REMAIN POSITIVE IS GOING TOIMPLEMENTED HAS THERE ANY WAY TO COMMUNICATE THATSCOTIANS THE HEALTH MINISTER WITH 15 SECONDS >> THINK AS THESE ARE CERTAINLY MEANS DELIVERING THAT INFORMATION. I THINK IS MEETINGS BEFORE THE AUDITOR MADE REFERENCE TO IT THERE’S MEDIA COVERAGE AND — THE TIMEELAPSED FOR THE CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS. WE WILL NOW GO ON TO NDP CAUCUS AND THE MEMBER FOR CHEBUCTO >> YOU, Mr. CHAIR. I THINK THAT SURELY WE SHOULD ASK THE TO MODEL THAT KIND OF GOOD PRACTICES THAT HE BE STANDING FOR AND TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND MOVE AROUND A LITTLE AND THENCOME BACK. WOULDN’T THAT BEGOOD IDEA? >> WHAT WOULD YOU DO, ME TOMr. BURR ILL? >> GRAND 5-MINUTE RECESS The Chair: ARE GOING TO TAKE FIVE-MINUTE STARTING RIGHT NOW (5-MINUTE The Chair: ORDER. I RECOGNIZE

THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX CHEBUCTO >> YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND THANK YOU TO MINISTER FOR THE HOUR AND A HALF SOOF MATERIAL THAT HE’S HAD BEEN ALREADY PROVIDED. I WOULD LIKE AS FAR AS INTRODUCING MY PART OF THIS THIS EVENING, I’D LIKE TO GO — BEGIN GOING BACK TO THE — THINKING ABOUT THE NSHA ITSELF AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS AROUND ITS AND HOW THAT STRUCTURE HAS BEEN ADAPTED RECENTLY AND I’D LIKE TO ASK THE MINISTER ABOUT THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THAT. I’M GOING BACK THAT — WHAT WAS I FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE AL PRETTY SURPRISING MOMENT FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN THE INTERIM CEO MADE A STATEMENT INDICATING THAT THE ORGANIZATION OF — THE UPPER ECHELONS IN THE NSHA WERE WORKING IN A SATISFACTORY AND INTRODUCED SOME CHANGES. SURE THE STATEMENT WOULD BE FAMILIAR TO THE MINISTER. JUST READ IT. SHE SAID THEIS OVERLY COMPLEX PRO DEMOCRATIC…. THE ORGANIZATION IS — AND BUREAUCRATIC. THE ORGANIZATION CONFUSING AND DOES NOT ALLOW US TO EASILY CHALLENGES THAT MAY BE UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL ZONES, TEAMS, HOSPITALS. TO IN ORDER, MADAM CHAIR, I’LL TABLE A COPY OF THAT. I’MTHE MINISTER IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT SO I JUST LIKE TO BEGIN BY ASKING MINISTER, DOES THIS SEEM TO HIM A FAIR READING AND THE THE NSHA THE TIME OF ITS FORMATION UNTIL THE TIME OF THAT REORGANIZATION UNDER THEN INTERIM CEO? The Chair: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND I THANK THE MEMBER FOR THE LEADER OF THE FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A FOR PARTICULARLY HERE IN THE CHAMBER AND THOSE SUPPORTING US. BUT TO THE QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR, THERE’S CERTAINLY THE — WHEN I CAME IN TO SERVE THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS IN 2017, ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WAS

ORGANIZE TOUR AROUND THE PROVINCE THAT I COULD HEAR FROM FRONT CARE WORKERS OF QUESTIONS I ASKED IF INFORMATIONVOLUNTEER ED AT THESE OPPORTUNITIES, WAS WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY. SO HEALTH AUTHORITY WAS JUST OVER 2 YEARS OLD AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND BY LARGE WHAT I HAD WAS IN TERMS OF THE CONCERNS OR CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK THAT WAS BEING BROUGHT FORWARDALIGN WITH WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE READ IN NEWSPAPER AT THAT POINT TIME, CONCERNS ABOUT COMMUNICATION, WHICH WOULD BE HOW — THROUGH THE RESTRUCTURING, THE CHANGES IN REPORTING STRUCTURES AND SO ON AND HOW IMPACTEDDISRUPTED THE WORK PEOPLE ON THE GROUND AT VARIOUS PARTS OF THE PROVINCE BUT ASKED NEXT QUESTION, THOUGH, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY UNANIMOUSRECOGNIZING THAT THE AMALGAMATION WAS STILL THE RIGHT THING. THAT PARTICULARLY WITH A CLINICAL LENS, HAVING A SINGLE HEALTH AUTHORITY ENSURES THE STANDARDIZATION COMMON APPROACH TO BEST DELIVERY CARE SERVICES THROUGHTHE PROVINCE IS ACTUALLY A VERY POSITIVE CLINICAL OUTCOME. WHAT THEY WERE ARTICULATING WERE THE FRUSTRATIONS AROUND WOULD OCCUR WITH ANY MULTIBILLION DOLLAR ORGANIZATIONAL RESTRUCTURING. THIS, MADAM CHAIR, WAS AGAIN NOT THE MERGER TWO ORGANIZATIONS BUT, IN FACT, MERGING NINE FORMER HEALTH AUTHORITIES INTO ONE. SO NINE ORGANIZATIONS INTO ONE. MULTIBILLION DOLLAR OPERATION AND WHAT TRANSPIRED INEARLY CONVERSATIONS, WOULD HAPPEN IN ORGANIZATIONSGOES THROUGH THIS, IS THE — AND WHICH IS, DEPEND, THE CLINICAL PURPOSE OF THE AMALGAMATION, IS THE IDENTIFICATION AND REAL ESTATE OF THE VARIANCES THAT EXISTED THROUGHOUT THE PROVINCE SUCH THAT THE HEALTH BEING DELIVERED IN CAPE BRETON WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN HEALTH CARE DELIVERED YARMOUTH WHICH EVOLVED BASED UPON PRIORITIES OF THE DISTRICT HEALTH AUTHORITY OF THE IN EACH THOSE REGIONS OVER TIME AND IN SOME AREAS, AAUTHORITY WOULD HAVE PRIORITIZEED CERTAIN APPROACHES AND IN COMMUNITY, THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ANOTHER AREA. THE OF HAVING THE SINGLE AUTHORITY REMAINS ESTABLISHING THE BEST PRACTICES OUT OF THOSE OPERATIONS THEN ROLLING OUT STANDARDIZING SO THAT IF YOU RECEIVE CARE IN BRETON OR ANTIGONISH, YARMOUTH, OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN PROVINCE, YOU’RE RECEIVING THE SAME CARE. I THINK THAT’S SCOTIANS EXPECT OF CARE SYSTEM AND THAT’S WHY THE WAS DEVELOPED A SINGLE ENTITY THE DELIVERY OF SERVICES RELATES TO THEIROPERATIONAL STRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL, AGAIN, I THINK IN THOSE EARLY DAYS, THE DESIGN INTENTIONS AND, AGAIN, I WASN’T THE MINISTER AT THE TIME, BUT THE DESIGN INTENTIONS TOHAVE THE ADMINISTRATION STRUCTURED WITH VP WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH OF THE FOUR ZONES WAS ENSURE THAT THERE WAS REPRESENTATIVE WITH REGIONAL EXPECTATIONS, RESPONSIBILITIES, SITTING AT EXECUTIVE TABLE THINK AT FIVE YEARS OF AGE, THE NOVA HEALTH AUTHORITY HAS SCOTIA NOW REACHED — OR, SORRY, WILL REACHING SHORTLY WHAT WAS BECOMING APPARENT IS WITH THE MATURITY COMES THETHAT YOU CAN HAVE — YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OFHAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION THAT THINGS HAVE STABILIZED AT THE EXECUTIVE TABLE, BRINGING IN THE ANNOUNCE TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE EXECUTIVE RESPONSIBILITY DEDICATED IN THOSE ZONES AND NOT JUST ONE THE RESPONSIBILITIES WILL TO SERVE TO FURTHER STRENGTHEN THE COMMUNICATIONS TO THE FRONT LINES WITHIN THE HEALTH AUTHORITY. AGAIN, I THINK IT’S AS THE CEO HAD MENTIONED ALSO, I BELIEVE WAS THIS IS PART OF MATURING OF THE ORGANIZATION. THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE AMALGAMATION, IT’S PART OF THE LEARNING. I THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE MODEL TO MOVING FORD AND INTO THE FUTURE WITH THIS ORGANIZATION THE HONOURABLE LEADER THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> I WANT TO THANK THE MINISTER FOR HIS THOUGHTS ON THAT. THE PARTICULAR I’M WANTING TO FOCUS ON, I THINK COULD AGREE

THAT WHAT THE INTERIM CEO WAS IN PART SAYING WAS, BY HER OBSERVATION, THERE ISENOUGH REGIONAL AUTONOMY THE DECISION MAKING STRUCTURE. AND SO I WANT TO ASK IS, IN THE MINISTER’S VIEW, WAS RIGHT SHE DESCRIBED THE FROM 15 UP TO NOVEMBER 19 WHEN SHE MADE THAT ANALYSIS ASCEO THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR. I THINK WHAT WAS NOTED WAS SOME OF THE CONFUSION IN THE DECISION MAKING AUTONOMY THAT I SAID EARLIER WHEN HAVEDIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, NINE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONAL CULTURES, MULTIBILLION DOLLAR ORGANIZATION WHICH SOME IDEA OF THE SCOPE OF THE NUMBER OF THROUGHOUT THAT WILL ARE IMPACTED AFFECTED, THAT SOME CONFUSION MANIFEST ITSELF. THAT PLAYED OUT PUBLICLY. IT CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGED. EFFORTS WERE MADE TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNICATIONS THROUGHOUT AGAIN AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S NECESSARY, THOUGH, IS AGAIN IN THOSE TYPES OF RESTRUCTURINGS TO REALLY WHAT’S GOING ON THROUGHOUT IS IN THE AMALGAMATION IS TO HAVE SOME CENTRALIZATION IN THE EARLY DAYS TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT VIEWS AND INFORMATION FROM THROUGHOUT ORGANIZATION CAN BE UNDERSTOOD AND COLLECTED AND FEED IN AND INFORM THE NEW CULTURE THAT REFLECTS AND REPRESENTS THE NEW ORGANIZATION AND AS THAT MATURES AND GROWS, THEN SO, TOO, DOES ABILITY TO KIND OF LIKE A PENDULUM SWING, THAT IT NATURALLY SWING BACK. I THINK TALKED THAT BEFORE CERTAINLY FORMER DEPUTY MINISTER OF THE DEPARTMENT USESPENDULUM ANALOGY THAT, AGAIN, IT STARTS AS A CENTRALIZED APPROACH AT THE CONSOLIDATION THEN AS THE ORGANIZATION MATURES ITSELF, IT SWINGS BACK TO THAT EQUILL BREEIUM POINT THAT, AGAIN, SINK A NATURAL PROGRESSION OF THE ORGANIZATION TO SET THE FOR WE’LL SAY KIND OF ADOLESCENCE OF THE ORGANIZATION MOVING FROM 5 YEARS FOR THE NEXT 5 THE10-YEAR POINT The Chair: THE HONOURABLE THE DEMOCRAT PARTY >> THANK YOU. THE MINISTER — OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> YOU. THE MINISTER AND I PROBABLY WOULDN’T READ THE OLD DHAs IN THE SAME WAY BUT I THINK THING WILLABOUT THEM IS THEY HAD AUTOMATICKY DECISION MAKING THINK WE ALSO AGREE THE OUTCOME OF THE INTERIM CEO’S RESTRUCTURE WAGS TO MOVE MORE REGIONAL AUTONOMY IN DECISION MAKING THE ZONES I TO ASK THE MINISTER, UNDER THE NEW SYSTEM WHICH HAS BEEN INAUGURATED SINCE THE CEO’S CHANGES AND THE EFFORT TO RE-ESTABLISH REGIONAL DECISION MAKING AUTONOMY, HAVE WE NOT MOVED SIGNIFICANTLY BACK TO THE MAKING REGIONAL AUTONOMY THAT, IN FACT, WE HAD BEFORE THE NSHA WAS ESTABLISHED THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR THINK SO. I THINK, DEPEND, THE STRUCTURE THAT BE ALWAYS ENVISIONED ASAND ESTABLISHED, THAT WAS A SINGLE HEALTH AUTHORITY WITH FOUR REGIONAL ZONES. I THINK THAT IF CERTAINLY CAN RECALL WHEN MY COLLEAGUE, CURRENT MINISTER OF COMMUNITY CULTURE AND HERITAGE WHO WAS THEN OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS AFTER THE 13 WENT AROUND THE PROVINCE CERTAINLY WHEN HE MET IN MY TWIT REPRESENTATIVES OF THE THEN GASHA AUTHORITY,CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WERE VERY CLEAR THAT THE DEFINE AND THE STRUCTURE WAS TO HAVE A SINGLE HEALTH AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH COMMON DELIVERY OF SERVICE PROVINCE THE TOENSURE THAT THROUGH THE ZONAL REPRESENTATION, WE TO MAINTAIN THE REGIONAL INTERESTS IN THE DELIVERY OF CORE SERVICES AND REPRESENTATION AND INDEED THAT INCLUDED DECISION MAKING SO I THINK THAT WAS ALWAYS THE

DESIGN OBJECTIVE AND AGAIN AS I’VE ALREADY ARTICULATED WERE SOME OF CHALLENGES IN THE EARLY STAGES OF A LARGE RESTRUCTURING AND AMALGAMATION TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT AGAIN, THESE TYPE OF THINGS ARE NOT LIGHT SWITCHES WHERE YOU JUST TURN THEM AND OFF THEY MORE LIKE LIFE SPAN AND IT TAKE TIMETRANSITION EVOLVE AND AGAIN I IS THIS THE NATURAL EVOLUTION. NOT THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS DISTRICT HEALTH AUTHORITIES, MADAM CHAIR. THERE WERE NINE, TEN OF THOSE PREVIOUS AUTHORITIES COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE PROVINCE. WE HAVE — WE CONTINUE TO HAVE TWO, THE IWK WITH FOCUS ON AND CHILD WOMEN’S CTVS AND THE NOVAHEALTH AUTHORITY FOR THE BROADER SWATH OF CAREACROSS THE PROVINCE WITH FOUR ZONES, REGIONAL OPERATIONS IT WAS A REALLY CRITICAL PARTTHE OBJECTIVE OF AMALGAMATION IN FIRST PLACE AND ONE THAT, AGAIN, AS I SAID, BY AND LARGE, IN ANY INFORMATION WAS FED BACK ME WHEN I ASKED FRONT LINE CARE WORKERS, THERE IS GENERALLY STILL REMAINS CONSENSUS THAT THAT IT’SIZATION OF BEST >> PRACTICETHAT OPERATIONAL IS STANDARDIZATION GOOD. OF BEST PRACTICE, OPERATION DELIVERY IS GOOD. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, MADAME CHAIR, IS WHILE PEOPLE IN THAT PRINCIPLE HAVE AGREEMENT, WHAT BEST PRACTICE IS DOESN’T HAVE AGREEMENT PEOPLE EXPRESSING FRUSTRATION WITH A CHANGE TO A PRACTICE THAT THEY MAY DISAGREE WITH. THEY FRAME THAT, MADAME CHAIR, AS FRUSTRATIONS AROUND AUTONOMY AND DECISION MAKING. EARLIER THEY HAVE MAY EXPRESSED A DESIRE FOR A STANDARDIZED APPROACH. THE REALITY WHEN PEOPLE SAY THEY WANT A STANDARDIZED APPROACH THEY MIGHT MEAN THEY WANT THEIR APPROACH TO BE STANDARDIZED AND THAT’S WHY WHEN WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS, WE OFTEN AS WITH ANY CHANGE, RECEIVE SOME LEVEL OF CRITICISM FROM SOME PEOPLE WITHIN THE HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM. WE MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO ENSURE BOTH AS THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS. AND OUR PRARNS IN THE PARTNERS IN THE HEALTH AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS TRULY. EVERYONE THROUGHOUT OUR HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM FROM THE EXECUTIVES TO THE FRONTLINE WORKERS WANT TO SEE AND PROVIDE THE BEST CARE AND SERVICE TO NOVA SCOTIANS. AGAIN, WE DON’T ALWAYS GET CONSENSUS. THIS IS A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR ORGANIZATION WITH THOUSANDS OF HEALTH-CARE WORKERS PROVIDING CARE. WE HAVE DIFFICULTY GETTING UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS IN THE LEGISLATURE The Chair: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> THANK YOU. ONE OF THE MAIN ARGUMENTS BROUGHT FORWARD ALL ALONG FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE NSHA WAS TO WORK TOWARDS A SITUATION OF UNIFORMITY IN THE PROVISION OF SERVICES ACROSS THE PROVINCE. TOWARDS THE FIVE YEAR MARK, WE DO FIND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT GEOGRAPHIC VARIATIONS IN HEALTH OUTCOMES I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE MINISTER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TROUBLING AREA. I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE A DOCUMENT I’M GOING TO ORGANIZE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS AROUND. THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT WAS THE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX ATLANTIC ASKED EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON FOLLOWING REMARKS MADE BY MY MY COLLEAGUE FROM DARTMOUTH NORTH. TRENDS IN SOCIAL DPERM DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH OUTCOMES COULD BE TABLED THAT’S IT. THAT’S A COMPREHENSIVE DATA ANALYSIS OF NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH OUTCOMES DATA PREPARED FOR THE N.D.P. CAUCUS BY DR. EMILY

EMILY KLERK. STARTLING DATA TO ME, EMERGED OUT OF THIS ON THE QUESTION OF LIFE EXPECTANCY. I LEARNED FROM THIS STUDY THAT LIFE EXPECTANCY IS THREE YEARS LOWER IN NOVA SCOTIA IN THE EASTERN ZONE THAN IT IS IN THE CENTRAL ZONE. AND BY AND LARGE WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT PEOPLE LIVE THREE YEARS LESS LONG IN CAPE BRETON THAN THEY DO IN THE PENINSULA OF HALIFAX NOW, I’M CERTAIN THAT THIS IS SOMETHING, THIS IS AN OUTCOME THAT THE MINISTER WOULD NOT FIND ACCEPTABLE. IT’S CERTAINLY NOT AN OUTCOME THAT OUR PARTY WOULD FIND ACCEPTABLE. SO I WANT TO ASK THE MINISTER, WHAT IN THE BUDGET THAT HE AND HIS DEPARTMENT ARE BRINGING FORWARD HERE, MAY THE PEOPLE OF THE EASTERN ZONE LOOK TO TO ADDRESS THIS STRIKING INEQUALITY AND OUTCOMES ON THIS KEY MEASURE OF LIFE EXPECTANCY The Chair: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. AND I THANK THE MEMBER FOR TABLING THE INFORMATION, THE DATA TABLES PREPARED BY DR KIRK. I HAVE HAD A MOMENT TO SKIM. I NOTE THE TABLE THAT THE MEMBER IS REFERENCING. I WOULD HAVE TO DO A BIT MORE ANALYSIS, I THINK, ON THE DATA PRESENTED HERE TO JUST CROSS-REFERENCE AND VERIFY THE VARIABILITY. AGAIN, AN ABSOLUTE VARIABLE OR VARIANCE, MADAME CHAIR, IN A STATIC NUMBER. WITH A BIT MORE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, A VARIANCE IN THAT PARTICULAR VARIABLE THAT’S BEING CITED JUST NEEDS MORE OF A ROBUSTNESS TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS THE SIZE OF THE VARIANCE IS ONE THAT WOULD TRIGGER CONCERN OR IF IT’S ONE WITH VARIABILITY IN IT, MADAME CHAIR. BUT THAT SAID, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK RECOGNIZE THE EASTERN ZONE RUNS FROM MY COMMUNITY IN ANTIGONISH UP TO INCLUDE GUYSBOROUGH-EASTERN SHORE-TRACADIE, AS WELL AS ALL OF CAPE BRETON ISLAND. THE STRAIGHT REGION AS WELL AS THE CAPE BRETON REGIONAL MUNICIPALITY AND THE HIGHLANDS THERE ARE SOME, I DON’T HAVE THE EXACT STATS. I WON’T CITE THEM CERTAINLY THERE’S A RECOGNITION AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF CERTAIN HEALTH INDICATORS THAT PARTICULARLY IN INDUSTRIAL CAPE BRETON AREA THAT ARE HISTORICALLY CHALLENGING. AND I THINK TO THE MEMBERS ABSOLUTE QUESTION COMES OUT OF THIS, WHAT IS IT IN THIS BUDGET THAT SUPPORTS SOME VARIABLES. AS THE MEMBER NOTED IN HIS PREAMBLE TO THE SPECIFIC QUESTION, HE TALKED ABOUT VARIABLE, WHICH ARE SOCIAL DETERMINANT VARIABLES. MANY SOCIAL DETERMINANTS, INCLUDE EDUCATION, INCOME, HOUSING AND VARIABLES SUCH AS THAT. WHICH PLAY INTO AND IN FACT THIS BUDGET, MADAME CHAIR, ALTHOUGH NOT DIRECTLY IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT’S BUDGET, BUT AS REPORTED BY THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, IN FACT, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS YEAR’S BUDGET, PARTICULARLY NEW PROGRAMS AND INVESTMENTS HAVE BEEN TARGETED TOWARDS THE VERY FUNDAMENTALS OF ADDRESSING SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH. THESE ARE INVESTMENTS LIKE THE FINALIZATION OF THE FULL ROLLOUT OF PREPRIMARY PROGRAM. THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION IN QUESTION PERIOD YESTERDAY SPOKE TO THIS ABOUT THE RESEARCH THAT IDENTIFIED HOW SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE IMPACT, PRE PRIMARY PROGRAM HAS ON THOSE WHO ARE LESS FORTUNATE WITHIN THE PROVINCE. THEY ARE DIRECT IMPACTS TO THE INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS WHO ARE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD THAT PERHAPS FOR GENERATIONS IN THEIR FAMILY, THEY MAY HAVE HAD SYSTEMIC CHALLENGES. THAT PREVENTED EARLIER GENERATIONS FROM RECEIVING THAT EARLY START OPPORTUNITY. THE EARLY STARTS ALLOW FOR EARLIER IDENTIFICATION OF NEEDS TO ALLOW FOR OTHER EDUCATIONAL AND HEALTH SUPPORTS TO BE PROVIDED. A YEAR EARLIER

IT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY, MADAME CHAIR, FOR SOME PARENTS, PARTICULARLY SINGLE PARENTS TO ENTER THE WORK FORCE A YEAR EARLIER TO HELP SUPPORT THE INCOME GENERATION THEY NEED TO STABILIZE THEIR HOUSEHOLD MADAME CHAIR, THAT PROGRAM ALONE IS A CRITICAL SOCIAL POLICY AND INVESTMENT TO ENSURE THAT WE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, NOT JUST FOR THE EASTERN ZONE, MADAME CHAIR, BUT INDEED FOR THOSE CHILDREN RIGHT ACROSS THE PROVINCE. INCREASE IN THE CHILD BENEFIT TAX CREDIT, MADAME CHAIR, THAT TOO ENSURES THAT FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN, PARTICULARLY LOW INCOME OR LOW INCOME FAMILIES MORE OF THEM ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE MORE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THOSE CHILDREN ENSURING AGAIN TO HELP IMPROVE THE INCOME LEVELS WHICH AGAIN AS WE KNOW IS A TRIGGER AND SOCIAL DETERMINEIANT. AGAIN, I COULD CONTINUE TO GO ON WITH THE MANY DIFFERENT INVESTMENTS THROUGHOUT AGAIN THE MINISTER MUCH OF QUESTION PERIOD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS IN THE SITTING, PARTICULARLY FROM THE N.D.P CAUCUS HAS BEEN DIRECTED TOWARDS THE PREMIER OR THE MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AND HOUSING ABOUT HOUSING AND IN THIS BUDGET, MADAME CHAIR, WE RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANT ROLE THAT SAFE AND ACCESSIBLE HOUSING PLAYS IN AGAIN ENSURING THE SAFETY AND THE HEALTH OF NOVA SCOTIANS. THAT’S WHY WE CONTINUE TO INVEST IN A VARIETY OF TOOLS AND APPROACHES TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR CITIZENS AND THAT IS A SHOW AS I MENTIONED EARLIER WHEN THE P.C. CAUCUS QUESTIONS ABOUT GOVERNMENT REALLY TRYING TO TAKE DOWN THE SILOS AND RESPOND AS A GOVERNMENT TO THE NEED OF THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA. AND NOT SIMPLY SAYING HEALTH OUTCOMES IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS. IT IS, SURE ENOUGH, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS ARE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO HELP IMPROVE THE HEALTH OUTCOMES OF THE HEALTH OF NOVA SCOTIANS. OUR SOCIAL DEPARTMENTS, COMMUNITY SERVICES, EDUCATION, HEALTH AND WELLNESS, MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS THROUGH THEIR ROLE WITH HOUSING ALL CONTRIBUTE. SO WE HAVE SOCIAL DEPUTIES AND STAFF MEETING TO HELP IDENTIFY PROGRAMS THAT ACTUALLY COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER TO MAXIMIZE OUR INVESTMENTS TO MAXIMIZE THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES AND MINIMIZE THE NEGATIVE OUTCOMES THAT MANY NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING. SO AGAIN I THINK THIS BUDGET HIGHLIGHTED TO THE MEMBER’S QUESTION, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT DO WE HAVE IN THIS BUDGET TO HELP DRESS FOR ALL OF THE PROVINCE, NOT LIMITED TO THE EASTERN ZONE The Chair: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> I WANT TO ENSURE THE MINISTER I’M NOT INTENDING TO ASK A SOPHISTICATED QUESTION. MY QUESTION DOESN’T REQUIRE REGRESSION ANALYSIS, ALTHOUGH I CAN APPRECIATE THAT IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THIS RESEARCH AND ITS SIGNIFICANCE, YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE IT LOOKED AT IN MORE DEPTH MY QUESTION IS SIMPLE AS THIS, IS THE MINISTER AWARE OF SIGNIFICANT VARIANCES BETWEEN ZONES IN LIFE EXPECTANCY? P P The Chair: HONOURABLE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE. PERHAPS THIS IS A PREVIOUS CAREER THAT HAS BEATEN THIS INTO ME, MADAME CHAIR, THE TERM SIGNIFICANT WHEN TALKING ABOUT DATA IS A LOADED TERM. I WOULD SAY CERTAINLY I’LL ACKNOWLEDGE THE TABLE OF DATA THE MEMBER HAS TABLED HERE THIS EVENING DOES INDICATE THAT THERE IS A RANGE OF ABOUT TWO YEARS’, 2.4 DIFFERENCE IN ABSOLUTE TERMS. AGAIN, WHETHER THAT’S A SIGNIFICANT VARIANCE OR NOT, AGAIN, SIGNIFICANT DOES HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC CONNOTATION TALKING ABOUT DATA LIKE THIS SO AGAIN THIS DATA HERE THAT HE’S TABLED DOES SHOW ABOUT A TWO, TWO-AND-A-HALF YEAR

DIFFERENCE FROM 7 78.5, SORRY, 81.2 IS THE LONGEST LIFE EXPECTANCY NOTED. THAT’S THE RANGE NOTED IN THIS DOCUMENT The Chair: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU I’LL AVOID THE USE OF STATISTICAL WORD THEN. I’M REALLY MEANING TO ASK THE MINISTER, HAS AS THE MINISTER FOR THE PROVINCE, IS HE AWARE OF MAJOR, IMPORTANT BIG ENOUGH TO BE TROUBLING AND CAUSE A FOCUS OF THE DEPARTMENT’S EFFORTS IN THINKING DIFFERENCE IN LIFE EXPECTANCY WITHIN THE PROVINCE? The Chair: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. AS I MENTIONED IN MY PREVIOUS RESPONSE, CERTAINLY WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE FOR A VARIETY OF FACTORS OR VARIABLES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE HEALTH OUTCOMES WITHIN THE POPULATION, THEY GET SLICED AND DICED IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. WE CERTAINLY SEE IT SOMETIMES REGIONALLY. WE SEE IT DONE RECOGNIZING AGAIN WHEN YOU DO ANALYSIS AND THE PUT THE LENS OF SOCIAL DETERMINANTS, SOCIO ECONOMIC. CULTURAL OR RACIAL VARIANCES THAT COME OUT WITH A PARTICULAR HEALTH OUTCOME CERTAINLY THE HEALTH SYSTEM DOES E VALUATE AND CONSIDER THE INFORMATION, RESEARCH DONE BY ACADEMICS AND CLINICIANS THROUGHOUT THE PROVINCE DO FOCUS IN THESE AREAS. AS INFORMATION COMES FORWARD TO RECOMMEND POLICY CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS, AND ONE OF THOSE AREAS AGAIN IS THE RECOGNITION OF THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS. THE IMPORTANCE OF US INVESTING TO SUPPORT THOSE MOST VULNERABLE NOVA SCOTIANS THAT IS AS THE MINISTER OF FINANCE HIGHLIGHTED AND STRESSED YESTERDAY WHEN SHE INTRODUCED THIS BUDGET. THAT WAS REALLY A KEY DRIVER. NOT JUST FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS, BUT FOR ALL OF GOVERNMENT TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS NOT JUST HEALTH RELATED THAT’S BEEN ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH ACTUALLY MOVING THE NEEDLE IN SOME OF OUR HEALTH OUTCOMES. WE HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO FOCUS ON JUST THE ADDRESSING HEALTH OUTCOMES THROUGH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR THE HEALTH SYSTEM WHEN THE REALITY IS WE HAVE OTHER AVENUES THAT AND LEVERS THAT NEED TO BE PULLED OR INVESTED IN. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE SEEING THIS YEAR IS A MOVE TO IMPROVE AND WHETHER IT’S THE MORTALITY RATE OR LIFE EXPECTANCY RATE, OR OTHER VARIABLES IN HEALTH OUTCOMES WE WANT TO SEE THE NEEDLE MOVE IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION. HOWEVER YOU SLICE IT, WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE HEALTH OUTCOMES FOR ALL NOVA SCOTIANS The Chair: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY >> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU I’M CERTAIN THAT WOULD NEVER BE IN QUESTION. EVERYBODY WHO WORKS IN THIS FIELD WOULD WANT THAT OUTCOME. BUT THE SPECIFIC DIMENSION I’M WANTING TO GET TO IN THIS DISCUSSION IS THE MATTER OF GEOGRAPHIC, FAIR TO CALL IT INEQUALITY OF OUTCOMES. IT HAS BEEN AFTER ALL A VERY SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT OF THE ARGUMENT FOR OUR PROVINCE FOCUSING A GREAT DEAL OF ITS ENERGY AND EXPERTISE IN THIS MOST RECENT PERIOD ON MAKING CENTRALIZED HEALTH AUTHORITY THAT IT WOULD LEAD US TO A PLACE OF GREATER UNIFORMITY OF OUTCOMES. AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT EVALUATE COMING TO A FIVE YEAR POINT, REGIONAL VARIANCE SEEMS TO ME IN OUTCOMES ARE SIGNIFICANT THINGS TO CONSIDER. AND SO THINKING ALONG THESE LINES, WHENEVER WE READ AN EVALUATION OF HEALTH OUTCOMES IN ANY FIELD, OR IN ANY SETTING ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S ALWAYS LOOKED AT IS INFANT MORTALITY THE REASON FOR THAT IS IT’S ONE OF THE, JUST MOST ACCEPTED MEASURABLE DATA INDICATORS OF HEALTH OUTCOMES THAT THERE IS INTERNATIONALLY. WHEN WE LOOK

AT INFANT MORTALITY FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THINKING, EVALUATING WHERE WE ARE ABOUT UNIFORMITY OF REGIONAL DELIVERY OF HEALTH SERVICES IN NOVA SCOTIA, ON THE FRONT OF INFANT MORTALITY, THE NUMBERS I HAVE TABLED ARE TROUBLING. WE LEARN INFANT MORTALITY IS TWICE AS HIGH IN THE NORTHERN ZONE THAN CENTRAL ZONE. THIS IS THE FIGURE THAT WAS BEING SPOKEN TO EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON. WHEN MY FRIEND FROM DARTMOUTH NORTH SAID THAT A BABY IS TWICE AS LIKELY TO DIE BASED SOLELY ON WHERE IT IS BORN IN THE PROVINCE. AS STARK TAS IT IS FOR US TO CONSIDER. THAT KIND OF VARIATION SEEMS TO ME IS NOTHING THAT THE MINISTER WOULD WISH TO DISMISS OR SPEAK TO IN A MINIMIZING WAY AT ALL. SO I WANT TO ASK THE MINISTER, IS HE AWARE OF THESE REGIONAL VARIANCES IN INFANT MORTALITY IN THE PROVINCE? AND WHAT IS THE DEPARTMENT DOING TO ADDRESS THIS STARK GEOGRAPHICAL INEQUITY IN HE’LL OUTCOMES IN THE PROVINCE? The Chair: MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK AS I HAVE NOTED BROADLY SPEAKING, THE WORK THAT’S DONE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS ANALYZING, REVIEWING HEALTH OUTCOMES, THIS TYPE OF WORK, MR. CHAIR, HAS HELPED AND INFORMED IN REPORTS THAT GET DONE AT A NATIONAL LEVEL, AS WELL, TO EVALUATE HOW WE DO AS A PROVINCE ON A NATIONAL SCALE. THIS DOES HELP INFORM WHERE AND HOW WE INVEST AND SUPPORT OUR HEALTH SYSTEM I THINK AGAIN TO KIND OF THE POINT TO PICK AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE FLOOR A SINGLE VARIABLE. I THINK THE MEMBERS TWO QUESTIONS PUT TOGETHER REALLY HIGHLIGHT IN FACT THAT THE PICKING A SINGLE HEALTH OUTCOME VARIABLE WHAT HE HAS SPOKEN R SHOWN THE TWO VARIABLES HE HAS CHOSEN, INFANT MORTALITY AND LIFE EXPECTANCY SHOW THE TWO AREAS WITH THE DATA SET HE PROVIDED ARE ACTUALLY IN TWO DIFFERENT REGIONS OF THE PROVINCE. AND YET WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE EASTERN ZONE, IT HAS HAD ONE OF THE HIGHEST ATTACHMENT RATES TO PRIMARY CARE PROVIDERS. SO WHEN YOU TIE THAT INTO THE LIFE EXPECTANCY, YOU THINK HAVING ATTACHMENT TO A PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER AND ITS ROLE IN SUPPORTING LIFE EXPECTANCY. YET OTHER VARIABLES SUCH AS GENETICS, WHICH ARE OUT OF REALLY THE DIRECT CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT AND THE HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM, THAT ALSO PLAY A ROLE YET THERE ARE HEALTH IOCS OUTCOMES WITH A GENETIC COMPONENT CERTAIN HEALTH, I GUESS, PROBABILITIES FOR INCREASED RISK OF CERTAIN HEALTH, NEGATIVE HEALTH OUTCOMES BASED IN PART ON GENETICS. AGAIN, UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS A MUCH MORE COMPLEX AREA THAN I THINK THE MEMBER. I’M CERTAINLY NOT BRUSHING OFF OR ATTEMPTING TO DIMINISH OR UNDEREMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF AREAS AND LOOKING AT A MULTITUDE OF HEALTH OUTCOME VARIABLES BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE CHALLENGE BECOMES DELVING IN AND PEELING BACK AT THE LAYERS FOR AN OUTCOME BY OUTCOME BASIS DOES GET A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING WHEN WE’RE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT AN OVERALL HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM AND AGAIN MAKING THE CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENTS TO MOVE THE NEEDLE FORWARD. AS I INDICATED AREAS AGAIN WITHOUT PULLING DOWN AND LOOKING AT THE SPECIFIC DATA HERE, THERE’S NOT A LOT OF DETAIL THAT WOULD BE REALLY IN THE CLINICAL SIDE OF THINGS THAT WOULD DELVE DOWN IN TERMS OF THE LIKELY WAIT OF THE VARIOUS FACTORS THAT MAY CONTRIBUTE TO THE VARIANCES THAT THE MEMBER HAS DENOTED IN JUST A STATIC TABLE OF DATA THAT HE’S TABLED HERE

The Chair: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR, I WANT TO ASK THE MINISTER. DID HE JUST SAY IN HIS VIEW, REGIONAL GEOGRAPHIC VARIATION IN INFANT MORTALITY MAY WITH SOME LIKELIHOOD BE SIGNIFICANTLY ATTRIBUTAL TO GENETICS? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> I BELIEVE WHAT I SAID WAS INDIVIDUAL HEALTH OUTCOMES OFTEN HAVE A VARIETY OF CONTRIBUTING FACTORS. AGAIN AS WE NOTED MANY HEALTH OUTCOMES, AT THE START OF THE CONVERSATION, I BELIEVE IN THE TITLE OF THE DOCUMENT THE MEMBER TABLED BROKE IT OUT AS SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH DATA BREAKDOWN. DATA THAT’S TARGETED ON SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH. AND AS A GOVERNMENT, WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF ADDRESSING AND INVESTING IN IMPROVING MANY OF THE UNDERLYING VARIABLES, THINGS SUCH AS EDUCATION, AND ACCESS TO EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAMS AS ROLLED OUT THROUGH THE PREPRIMARY PROGRAM EVERY 4-YEAR-OLD IN THE PROVINCE HAS ACCESS TO THAT PROGRAM AGAIN, AS I PREVIOUSLY SAID, THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION HAS SPOKEN EARLIER THIS SESSION, I BELIEVE, EITHER EARLIER TODAY OR YESTERDAY. I BELIEVE YESTERDAY SPECIFICALLY IN QUESTION PERIOD ABOUT THE RESEARCH THAT SHOWS HOW A SINGLE GENERATION’S ACCESS TO A PROGRAM LIKE THIS NOT JUST HAS POSITIVE OUTCOMES FOR THEMSELVES, BUT INDEED THEIR WHOLE FAMILY. AND YES IN MY PREVIOUS RESPONSE, I DID NOTE IN SOME CASES THE HEALTH OUTCOMES HAVE A MULTITUDE OF FACTORS AND VEARMS. VARIABLES. ONE MAY INCLUDE GENETICS. THERE WOULD BE INSTANCES INFANT MORTALITY IN SOME CASES GENETIC. IF YOU HAVE A GENETIC CONDITION THAT WOULD LEAD TO CHALLENGES WITH THE PREGNANCY AND DELIVERY OF A CHILD. THERE WOULD BE – WHETHER THAT AGAIN APPLIES SPECIFICALLY. THAT’S NOT THE WAY I WAS REFERRING TO THAT. I WAS TALKING MORE BROADLY TO TRY TO ILLUSTRATE THE CHALLENGE WITH PICKING SINGLE DATA POINTS WITHIN A BROAD HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM. AND HAVING THE CONVERSATION. YOU COULD SPEND ENTIRE REPORTS ON JUST ANY ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUAL VARIABLES WITH DENSE RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS THAT GOES INTO THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS. SO MY COMMENT PREVIOUSLY WHERE I MADE A PASSING REFERENCE TO THE GENETIC COMPONENTS WAS MEANT BROADLY, NOT SPECIFICALLY. AGAIN, I DID SAY I WASN’T TRYING TO UNDERSTATE THE ROLE OR THE IMPORTANCE OF IMPROVING OUR HEALTH OUTCOMES, INCLUDING THOSE HERE THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN TO SO FAR, LIFE EXPECTANCY AND INFANT MORTALITY. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE DATA POINTS AND VARIABLES IMPROVE. AGAIN, IN ALL PARTS OF THE PROVINCE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE BETTER IN OUR HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM The Chair: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU. THEN, COG I ASK – COULD I ASK THE MINISTER IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, IS THERE ANY FUNDING BEING SPECIFICALLY ALLOCATED TO ADDRESS THE REGIONAL INWE INEQUITY AT THE MOMENT? The Chair: MR. POWELL The Speaker: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I GUESS IF WHAT THE MEMBER’S LOOKING FOR OR TRYING TO – IS THERE A LINE ITEM OR SPECIFIC PROGRAM WITH LINE THAT SAYS INFANT MORTALITY. MY RESPONSES, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN THESE ARE, THIS AGAIN ONE IS IMPORTANT AS IT IS VARIABLE IS ONE OF MANY THAT GET ASSESSED IN TERMS OF HOW THE HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM EVALUATES PERFORMANCE. AND – MINISTER OF HEALTH. THE PROGRAMS AND RESPONSES GET DEVELOPED AGAIN IN THIS YEAR BROADLY AS A PROVINCE A SIGNIFICANT FOCUS HAS BEEN ON AGAIN SOCIAL DETERMINANTS THROUGH A MULTITUDE OF DEPARTMENTAL INVESTMENTS FROM EDUCATION, COMMUNITY SERVICES, MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS, HOUSING TO REALLY GET TO SOME OF THOSE ROOT

SOCIAL DETERMINANTS. I RECOGNIZE THE MEMBER OPPOSITE CLEARLY RECOGNIZE AND AT LEAST THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THE IMPORTANT ROLE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH PLAY IN NOT JUST HEALTH OUTCOMES, BUT LIFE OUTCOMES FOR OUR CITIZENS I THINK THAT IS DEMONSTRATED BY THE DATA SET THAT THEY HAD PREPARED BY DR. KIRK. AND TABLED HERE THIS EVENING. AND I THINK THEY WOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE THESE INVESTMENTS THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN MAKING IN THIS BUDGET TO EXPAND AND IMPROVE INVESTMENTS IN MANY OF THOSE CORE FUNDAMENTAL FOUNDATIONAL PIECES TO SUPPORT THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH, SUPPORT NOVA SCOTIANS MOST IN NEED, MR. CHAIR, IS A GOOD THING. THAT WE ARE TAKING STEPS, CONTINUING TO INVEST AND TAKE STEPS TO IMPROVE THE SITUATIONS FOR THOSE NOVA SCOTIANS IN GREATEST NEED THAT, MR. CHAIR I DO HOPE MEANS THAT THE MEMBERS WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS THE BUDGET DEBATE CONTINUES. AND CERTAINLY WHEN IT COMES TIME TO VOTE ON IT The Chair: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THOSE EXPLANATIONS TO THE MINISTER. THERE’S ANOTHER PART, ANOTHER LINE OF CONCERN THAT EMERGES OUT OF THAT DATA WHICH HAS TO DO WITH PEOPLE IN NOVA SCOTIA, THEIR OWN SELF ANALYSIS, THEIR OWN SELF UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR HEALTH. GOING BACK OVER THE RECENT NUMBER OF YEARS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS POINTED TO IS THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO PERCEIVE THEMSELVES TO BE IN NOT AS GOOD HEALTH AS THEY HAD BEEN IS INCREASING. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE – THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO PERCEIVE THEMSELVES TO BE IN GOOD HEALTH, IMPROVING HEALTH HAS BEEN IN RECENT YEARS GOING DOWN. I WANT TO ASK THE MINISTER IF HE IS AWARE OF TRENDS OF THIS NATURE AND WHAT WOULD BE HIS EXPLANATION ABOUT THESE OUTCOMES? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND AGAIN I’M JUST LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENT THAT’S TABLED. I HAVE ONLY HAD IT AGAIN. I BELIEVE I’M LOOKING AT THE CORRECT TABLE. IT SHOWS THE INDICATORS OF PERCEIVED HEALTH VERY GOOD OR EXCELLENT. PERCEIVED HEALTH FAIR OR POOR. THAT COMPARISON AND I BELIEVE IN THE MEMBER’S STATEMENT IT WAS THAT THERE WAS A TREND OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS I BELIEVE WAS WHAT WAS STATED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, MR. CHAIR, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT MY FIRST COMMENT WAS ABOUT LOOKING AT THIS DATA SET. THE DATA SHOWS IN FACT THAT THE PERCEIVED HEALTH VERY GOOD OR EXCELLENT ACTUALLY INCREASED FROM 2016 TO 17. DECREASED IN 2018. WHILE THE PERCEIVED HEALTH BEING POOR DECREASED AND INCREASED. IT SHOWS VARIABILITY. NOT SO MUCH A TREND WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE THREE YEARS AS DATA POINTS. AND NOT EVERY YEAR HAS BEEN CONSISTENT IT’S GONE UP AND DOWN. I THINK WE DON’T HAVE THE FULL DATA SET TO DRAW THE CONCLUSIONS THE MEMBER HAS MADE SUGGESTING THIS SHOWS A TREND. IT DOES SHOW DATA. AND DATA IS IMPORTANT AND OVER TIME YOU GET SUFFICIENT DATA TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH THOSE PARTICULAR TRENDS The Chair: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS IT THEN THE MINISTER’S VIEW THIS IS SURELY AN IMPORTANT WAY OF EVALUATING HOW WE’RE DOING AS A PROVINCE IN HEALTH AND WELLNESS IS IT THE MINISTER’S VIEW THAT SELF PERCEPTION OF HEALTHINESS AMONGST THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA IN RECENT YEARS HAS BEEN IMPROVING? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> WHAT I ARTICULATED THE DATA SET I ASSUME, I’M NOT SURE WHAT THE SOURCE OF THE SURVEY WAS AGAIN I’M JUST BASING IT ON THE DATA THAT THE MEMBER HAS TABLED

WAS THE FOUNDATION FOR HIS QUESTIONS. WHAT I’M SAYING IS THE PERCEPTION IS VARIABLE. IN ONE YEAR IT’S GONE UP. ONE YEAR IT’S GONE DOWN. THAT IS ABOUT AS AS FAR AS I CAN DRAW AN ACTUALITY CONCLUSION FROM THE DATA SET THAT’S BEEN PROVIDED HERE. AGAIN, THAT’S WITHOUT HAVING ANY FURTHER DETAILS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SET OF DATA The Chair: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF SIMILAR PARALLEL AREAS IN HEALTH-CARE THAT SPEAK TO GENERAL POPULATION, THE AREA OF DIABETES. IN THE MINISTER’S VIEW IN RECENT YEARS, ARE WE DOING BETTER ON THE DIABETES FRONT IN NOVA SCOTIA THAN WE HAD BEEN OR ARE WE LOSING GROUND? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> MR. CHAIR, ACCORDING TO THE DATA THE MEMBER HAS TABLED. IN FACT WE’RE DOING BETTER IN 2018 THAN WE DID IN EITHER 2016 OR 2017 The Chair: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU. I’M ASKING JUST IN THE MINISTER, WITHIN THE LIFE OF THE DEPARTMENT WHEN I’M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THESE KEY AREAS LIFE EXPECTANCY, ONE KEY AREA IS DIABETES. WHEN THE MINISTER EVALUATES THE GOVERNMENT’S WORK AND SURELY THIS MUST BE A METRIC THAT IS BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT AND BEFORE THE MINISTER. IN THE MINISTER’S OWN VIEW, ARE WE IN A BETTER PLACE TODAY ON DIABETES PREVALENCE IN NOVA SCOTIA THAN WE WERE LET US SAY SEVEN YEARS AGO? The Chair: HEALTH MINISTER >> I’M NOT SURE WHAT THE STATUS WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO. BUT AGAIN WHAT I CAN SAY FROM THE DATA THAT’S HERE BEFORE ME THAT WAS TABLED BY THE MEMBER OPPOSITE, WE ARE CERTAINLY IN A BETTER SPACE THAN WE WERE THREE YEARS AGO The Chair: THE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU AM I TOO TAKE FROM THAT THAT THE MINISTER DOES NOT HAVE A SENSE OF THE DEPARTMENT’S OWN AND HIS OWN OF WHETHER IN THE CURRENT PERIOD WE ARE GAINING OR NOT GAINING ON THE DIABETES FRONT? The Chair: THE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WHAT I DON’T HAVE AGAIN HERE FOR BUDGET ESTIMATES DEBATE IS THE DATA THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. AS I INDICATED, MUCH OF THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN BASED ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE DOCUMENT AND THE DATA THAT WAS TABLED BY THE MEMBER AND DIABETES WAS ONE OF THE VARIABLES THAT WAS ASSESSED BY DR. KIRK ON BEHALF OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY. AND THAT DATA WAS ASSESSED FOR THE YEARS 2016, 17 AND 18. AND AGAIN TO THE MEMBER’S QUESTION OVER THAT THREE YEAR PERIOD, THE DATA I HAVE ON HAND DOES CLEARLY SHOW 2018 THE PREVALENCE RATE IS LOWER THAN EITHER THE YEARS 2016 OR 2017. AS FAR AS BROADLY ON DIABETES AS A SPECIFIC DISEASE, AGAIN, IT IS AN AREA THAT I HAVE HAD BRIEFINGS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DURING MY TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS TENURE AS A HEALTH MINISTER. I HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION RECENTLY ENOUGH TO DELVE INTO MORE DETAIL AS TO OUR ABSOLUTE LONGER TERM DATA. MOST OF MY RECENT PREPARATION AND I GUESS FOCUS HAS BEEN ON THE BUDGET DETAILS FOR THE DEPARTMENT. SO AGAIN IF THE MEMBER WANT TO DELVE INTO MORE INFORMATION AS TO THE LONGER TERM PROGRESS OF DIABETES AS A SPECIFIC DISEASE OR HEALTH OUTCOME, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY WE COULD DELVE INTO AND PULL SOME OF THE DATA WE DO HAVE AND MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO HIM OR HIS CAUCUS. I THINK, BEGIN, IT’S JUST NOT INFORMATION I HAVE SPECIFICALLY HERE AT MY FINGER TIPS The Chair: THE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL THESE CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT THIS THESE IMPORTANT INDICATORS OF PROVINCIAL POPULATION HEALTH, PARTICULARLY ABOUT REGIONAL VARIATION AND THAT. WITH THE SHORT TIME THAT WE HAVE LEFT TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SWITCH GEARS

A LITTLE BIT AND ASK THE MINISTER A QUESTION OR TWO ABOUT THE FUNDING FORMULA FOR HEALTH-CARE AND OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN NOVA SCOTIA. THE MINISTER, I KNOW, IS AWARE THAT OF THE LONG-STANDING DISCUSSION IN OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABOUT THE NEED FOR A FUNDING FORMULA THAT DOES MORE THAN RECOGNIZE PER CAPITA FOUNDATION, A FUNDING FORMULA THAT CAN TAKE ACCOUNT OF OUR DISPERSED POPULATION. THE GREATER COSTS OF SERVING A DISPERSED POPULATION. THE GREATER COST OF SERVING AN OLDER POPULATION, NOT TO SPEAK OF THE COST OF SERVING A POPULATION IN COMPARISON TO THE NATIONAL AVERAGE HAS LOWER INCOME. THIS IS A FAMILIAR AND LONG-STANDING CONVERSATION IN NOVA SCOTIA. I WANT TO ASK THE MINISTER FOR HIS OWN VIEW. IS HIS VIEW THAT WE DO NEED IN ORDER TO HAVE COMPARABLE HEALTH SERVICES HERE TO THE REST OF CANADA, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A FUNDING FORMULA THAT RECOGNIZES MORE THAN THE PRESENT PER CAPITA BASIS FOR THESE CALCULATIONS? The Chair: THE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR INDEED, AS THE MEMBER HAS NOTED, WE DO HAVE FUNDING FORMULA IN PLACE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS A FUNDING FORMULA. THE CANADA HEALTH TRANSFER, MR. CHAIR THAT BASE FUNDING IS ESTABLISHED A TEN YEAR AGREEMENT THAT I THINK WE’RE YEAR FOUR. YEAR FOUR, THREE OR FOUR ON THAT FUNDING AGREEMENT, MR. CHAIR AND THE FOUNDATIONAL COMPONENT ON THAT HEALTH TRANSFER IS THE TRADITIONAL FUNDING LINE THAT THEY HAVE. BUT IN OUR NEGOTIATIONS, MR. CHAIR, WE DID SECURE BILATERAL FUNDING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT RECOGNIZING IN FACT TWO VERY KEY PRIORITY AREAS THAT ARE SHARED BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OR GOVERNMENT OF NOVA SCOTIA AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THOSE AREAS ARE MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTIONS AND CONTINUING CARE AND COMMUNITY-BASED DELIVERY AND THESE AREAS AND THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TARGETED TO THESE TWO AREAS, MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE WAS SOMETHING WE WERE ABLE TO LEVERAGE TO RECOGNIZE THE NEEDS OF OUR POPULATION. THE FUNDING ALLOWS US TO EX EXPAND OUR INVESTMENT IN THESE TWO PRIORITY AREAS IN WAYS THAT RECOGNIZE THE NEEDS OF OUR POPULATION. – CERTAINLY WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF, I CONTINUE TO MAKE THE CASE AS I BELIEVE DO IN PARTICULAR MY ATLANTIC COLLEAGUES, THAT CERTAINLY WE BELIEVE THAT HAVING A NATIONAL HEALTH FUNDING FORMULA THAT MORE BROADLY RECOGNIZES THE HEALTH NEEDS AND HEALTH OUTCOMES WITHIN POPULATION IS PERHAPS A BETTER FORMULA AND APPROACH THAN POPULATION BASE. BUT AT THE PRESENT TIME, THE FUNDING BEING PROVIDED BY THE FEDS IS AGAIN BASE FUNDING WITH A DEFINED INCREMENTS OVER THE TEN YEAR PERIOD AS WELL AS THE TARGETED FUNDING IN THE AREAS OF MENTAL HEALTH ADDICTIONS, CONTINUING COMMUNITY CARE The Chair: THE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO, THREE MINUTES >> THANK YOU. I’M INTERESTED IN THE MINISTER’S THINKING ABOUT THIS AT A BASIC LEVEL. IN THE MINISTER’S VIEW, ARE THERE NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE PRESENT BUDGET WHICH COME FROM OUR OPERATING ON A SYSTEM OF PER CAPITA BASE TRANSFERS? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I BELIEVE WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS A HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM WHICH WE HAVE INVESTED REALLY A RECORD AMOUNT INTO WHICH MEANS THAT BETWEEN OUR ECONOMIC GROWTH AS A

PROVINCE, AS WELL AS THE INVESTMENTS PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH FEDERAL PROGRAMS LIKE THE CANADIAN HEALTH TRANSFER, WE ARE IN A POSITION AS A PROVINCE TO EXPAND OUR HEALTH-CARE FUNDING, TARGET PRIORITY AREAS WITH NEW AND INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS, STABILIZE AND EXPAND EXIST GOES PROGRAMS EXISTING SERVICES AS WELL AS INVEST IN OTHER VERY IMPORTANT SOCIAL PROGRAMS AND SERVICES WITH FUNDING THAT DOES NOT REST IN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS THROUGH DEPARTMENTS OF EDUCATION, JUSTICE, COMMUNITY SERVICES AS WELL AS THE DEPARTMENT OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AND OTHERS. THIS BUDGET AS THE MINISTER OF FINANCE INTRODUCED JUST YESTERDAY, DURING HER SPEECH, MR. CHAIR, STRESSED MANY OF THOSE POSITIVE INVESTMENTS AS OUR DISCUSSION OVER THE PAST ALMOST HOUR NOW HAS FOCUSED ON A VERY IMPORTANT. I DO SINCERELY THANK THE MEMBER, THE LEADER OF THE N.D.P. FOR BRINGING TO THE FLOOR OF THE LEGISLATURE A SIGNIFICANT FOCUSED DISCUSSION ON THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH. THE IMPORTANT ROLE THAT THAT PLAYS IN HEALTH OUTCOMES FOR NOVA SCOTIANS. FOR DRAWING THE ATTENTION THERE. AGAIN, IT PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SAY IN FACT ON THE FLOOR OF THE LEGALITIURE WE CAN AGREE WE AGREE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS ARE AN IMPORTANT FACTOR. THAT’S WHY AS A GOVERNMENT WE’RE INVESTING IN AREAS TO ADDRESS THEM. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT INVESTMENTS IN THOSE FOUNDATIONAL AREAS IS THAT YOU DON’T NECESSARILY ALWAYS SEE THE IMMEDIATE RESULTS IN INVESTMENTS. THE PRE PRIMARY PROGRAM. THIS IS A GENERATIONAL INVESTMENTS. POSITIVE OUTCOMES THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION SPOKE ABOUT THAT I REFERRED TO. THOSE COME OVER THE LIFETIME OF THAT CHILD WHO WILL GROW TO BE AND WILL HAVE A HIGHER PROBABILITY OF REALLY CHANGING THE TRAJECTORY OF HIS OR HER’S FAMILY. AND THE NEXT GENERATION. THIS MR. CHAIR HAS HELPED THE PROVINCE The Chair: ORDER, THE TIME FOR THE N.D.P. CAUCUS HAS EXPIRED. NOW TO THE CONSERVATIVES. THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. I WANT TO OFFER THE MINISTER AND HIS COLLEAGUES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A BREAK OR FOR YOURSELF BEFORE WE BEGIN The Chair: EVERYONE GOOD >> GREAT >> CONTINUING ON WITH DOCTORS, RECRUITMENT EFFORTS, I THINK 2016, THE PROVINCE HAS SEEN 440 NEW DOCTORS. CAN THE MINISTER TELL ME HOW MANY DOCTORS RETIRED AND HOW MANY DOCTORS DEPARTED FOR OTHER REASONS? The Chair: MEMBER The Chair: MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WE’RE JUST ENDEAVOURING TO TRACK THAT DOWN. I DON’T HAVE IT AT MY FINGER TIPS. BUT WHAT I CAN INDICATE. I BELIEVE THE MOST RECENT NATIONAL DATA THAT STATISTICS CANADA, I CAN’T REMEMBER THE SOURCE, DOES SHOW THE CONTINUED NET IMPROVEMENT WE’LL BE LOOKING THAT UP. FOR NOVA SCOTIA. I BELIEVE OF PARTICULAR INTEREST, I THINK, TO THE MEMBER’S COLLEAGUE TOO MANY PAPERS HAVE – THE MEMBER MEMBER’S COLLEAGUE, THE MEMBER FOR INVERNESS HAS PREVIOUSLY FREQUENTLY ASKED THAT SAME QUESTION, BUT VERY LOCALIZED TO ANTIGONISH. SO FOR THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS, IT DOES SHOW THE NET INCREASE. PHYSICIAN ACTUAL

STARTS, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NUMBER OF PHYSICIANS THAT ARE SLATED TO START AND ACTUAL PHYSICIAN DEPARTURES, THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS UP TO MONDAY, THERE WERE NET ONE NEW SPECIALIST IN ANTIGONISH AND NET TWO NEW FAMILY PHYSICIANS. SO AGAIN THAT SUPPORTS THAT NOTION THE RECRUITMENT EFFORTS OF THE PROVINCE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ANTIGONISH IS ONE EXAMPLE. I KNOW SPECIFICALLY THE MEMBER FROM INVERNESS DURING THE LAST SITTING HAS MADE EXPLICIT REFERENCE TO THAT. THE CONCERN ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PHYSICIANS COMING IN VERSUS COMING OUT. I FIGURED I WOULD BE PROACTIVE SINCE HE ASKED THAT ON TWO OCCASIONS TO TABLE THAT DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS NET THREE NEW PHYSICIANS, ONE SPECIALIST, TWO FAMILY PHYSICIANS OVER THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS IN THE AREA OF AND THE ANTIGONISH The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> TO BE CLEAR, IS THERE A DOCUMENT PERHAPS THE MINISTER CAN TABLE FOR THE WHOLE PROVINCE SHOWING DOCTORS THAT HAVE BEEN RECRUITED. WE KNOW THERE’S BEEN 440 SINCE 2016. BUT IS THERE A WAY THAT HIS DEPARTMENT GAUGES THOSE THAT DEPART? WHILE I’M ASKING THAT QUESTION, AS WELL, CAN THE MINISTER TELL ME WHY ARE WE NOT HAVING MANDATORY EXIT INTERVIEWS? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK AS I NOTED IN THE FIRST ONE, WE’RE LOOKING TO SEE IF WE HAVE THE DATA IN THE BROADER SENSE ON THE PROVINCIAL LEVEL TO SHARE WITH THE MEMBER. IF I GET IT DURING ESTIMATES, I’LL TABLE IT, AS WELL. WITH RESPECT TO – I GUESS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT HAS BEEN NOTED WITH SOME DEPARTURES. AGAIN, THE ABSOLUTE NUMBERS IS THE WAY PEOPLE MEASURE. THERE ARE WHEN PHYSICIANS OPERATE AS INDEPENDENT PRACTITIONERS, THERE’S TWO WAYS WE GENERALLY MEASURE THEIR PARTICIPATION. WE KNOW THEY’RE AN ACTIVE PHYSICIAN IF THEY’RE BILLING THE PROVINCE FOR THEIR SERVICES. THE OTHER VARIABLE IS WHETHER THEY’RE CARRYING A LICENCE WITH THE COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS. SO THE VARIABILITY OF THE NUMBER OF LICENCED PHYSICIANS I KNOW IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON THE COLLEGE OF PHYSICIAN AND SURGEONS WEBSITE SO THAT’S READILY AVAILABLE TO TELL ALL NOVA SCOTIANS THE NUMBER OF LICENCED PHYSICIANS IN THE PROVINCE. BUT AGAIN WHEN YOU GET INTO SERVICE DELIVERY OF PHYSICIANS, THAT’S WHERE BILLING INFORMATION MORE ACCURATELY REFLECTS BECAUSE YOU CAN BE LICENCED AND NOT PRACTISING. SO WE DELVE INTO THAT SPACE, AS WELL. SOMEONE MAY REDUCE OR RETIRE THEIR SERVICES. BUT MAINTAIN THEIR LICENCE SO THAT DOESN’T IMMEDIATELY TRIGGER AN AWARENESS OF THEIR RETIREMENT SO THERE IS WORK. THE OTHER VARIABLE AND QUESTION THE MEMBER ASKED WAS NOT JUST ABOUT GETTING THE DATA, THE INFORMATION, BUT – THE EXIT INTERVIEWS. I THINK AGAIN, MR. CHAIR, THAT BECOMES ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH EXIT INTERVIEWS. NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY HAS CERTAINLY BEEN DIRECTED WHEN THEY BECOME AWARE TO REACH OUT AND OFFER TO HAVE THE EXIT INTERVIEW WITH THE HEALTH-CARE PROVIDERS, PARTICULARLY PHYSICIANS. BUT ULTIMATELY PHYSICIANS AS I JUST MENTIONED WITH THE LICENCING AND THE BILLING PIECE ARE NOT EMPLOYEES IN MOST INSTANCES. SO THERE IS NO DIRECT MEANS OR MECHANISM FOR THE HEALTH AUTHORITY TO MANDATE THE PHYSICIAN TO HAVE AN EXIT INTERVIEW. THE OFFERS MADE THE HOPE WOULD BE PHYSICIANS THAT HAVE INPUT WOULD TAKE THAT TIME AND AGAIN AN EXIT INTERVIEW I THINK IS A VERY GOOD PRACTICE TO HAVE. AGAIN, AN EXIT INTERVIEW ONE SHOULDN’T AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME REFLECTS REFLECTS NEGATIVITY. IN SOME CASES PEOPLE EXIT THEIR FIELDS BECAUSE OF JUST GENRE TIMER GENERAL RETIREMENT. IN SOME INSTANCES PEOPLE WANT TO

PURSUE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITY ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE ROLE AS OPPOSED TO A CLINICAL ROLE. AN ACADEMIC ROLE THEY MAY CHOOSE TO PURSUE. OR PURSUE AN OPPORTUNITY ELSEWHERE. HAVING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DRAWS A PHYSICIAN OUT OF ACTIVE CARE, DELIVERY IN THE PROVINCE WHETHER THEY STAY, RETIRE, JUST SHIFT THEIR CAREER WITHIN THE PROVINCE OR PURSUE OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE, THAT IS HELPFUL FOR US TO KNOW AND CERTAINLY HOPE PHYSICIANS WOULD TAKE THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY UP ON OFFERS TO COMPLETE EXIT INTERVIEWS WHEN THEY IDENTIFY THEY WILL BE WRAPPING UP THEIR SERVICES IN THE PROVINCE The Chair: MEMBER FOR >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. TO EXPRESS THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE, WHETHER LONG-TERM OR SHORT TERM, GOOD, BAD, BUT IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COLLECT THAT DATA. SEE WHAT WE DON’T HAVE TO IMPROVE ON. BUT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE ON THOSE THINGS THAT MAY BE PUSHING HEALTH-CARE PROFESSIONALS INTO OTHER PROVINCES. SOMETIMES EVEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY WHICH I WANT TO FOCUS NOW ON NURSES. IN THE BUDGET SPEECH, I RECALL THE MINISTER OF FINANCE INDICATING WE NEED MORE NURSES. I’M WONDERING IF THE MINISTER CAN IDENTIFY WHY IS IT BECAUSE RETIREMENT REASONS OR SOME OTHER REASON WHY WE NEED MORE NURSES I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY A FEW NURSES THAT HAVE RECENTLY GRADUATED THAT CAN’T FIND WORK IN THIS PROVINCE. THEY’RE HEADING TO THE U.S. IT’S FRUSTRATING AND HURTFUL WHEN WE SEE THEM LEAVE THE PROVINCE THEY DON’T WANT TO LEAVE. THE HEALTH MINISTER, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR I THINK AS I EXPRESSED IN MY RESPONSE. THE MEMBER AND I ARE IN AGREEMENT AS TO THE VALUABLE OPPORTUNITY THAT EXIT INTERVIEWS PROVIDE FOR BOTH THE HEALTH AUTHORITY BUT ALSO THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR AS THE PHYSICIAN TO AGAIN SHARE WHAT BOTH POSITIVE AND IF THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK. THAT I THINK IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH. I WOULD CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE BOTH THE HEALTH AUTHORITY TO CONTINUE MAKING THE OFFERS TO CONDUCT EXIT INTERVIEWS AND CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE HEALTH-CARE PROVIDERS TO TAKE THE HEALTH AUTHORITY UP ON THOSE OFFERS. THE QUESTION AROUND, I’M NOT SURE THE SPECIFIC ON THE NURSES CERTAINLY THE MEMBER MENTIONED SHE BECAME AWARE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT RECENTLY CAME TO MY ATTENTION. IT’S A TOPIC THAT I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH BOTH THE PRESIDENT OF THE NOVA SCOTIA NURSES UNION AS WELL AS THE C.E.O. OF THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY. IN FACT, WE HAD A JOINT DISCUSSION AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP JUST WITHIN THE LAST WEEK OR SO THAT IS KEY PLAYERS REPRESENTING BOTH NURSES AS WELL AS THE HEALTH AUTHORITY TO DELVE IN TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DISCONNECT CAME FROM THERE. BUT CERTAINLY I WANT TO LET NURSES THAT ARE GRADUATING KNOW THERE ARE JOBS IN THE PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA THERE’S JOBS WITH THE EMPLOYERS IN THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY. I BELIEVE RECENTLY I HEARD THAT THREE OF THE GRADUATING NURSES I BELIEVE ARE GOING TO A COMMUNITY REGISTERED NURSES GOING TO CANSO. A YEAR AGO WAS UNABLE TO RECRUIT NURSE, REGISTERED NURSES DOWN TO THE CANSO COMMUNITY. A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY IT IS. IN THIS YEAR’S GRADUATING CLASS, MY UNDERSTANDING THERE’S A NUMBER OF THEM GOING DOWN TO CANSO THAT OFFERS THREE OF THEM I HEARD ANECDOTALLY. I DON’T HAVE DIRECT CONFIRMATION. BUT I HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THREE NURSES WILL BE GOING TO THAT COMMUNITY. IT DOES SHOW THERE ARE JOB OPPORTUNITIES BUT ALSO CERTAINLY TO LET NURSES KNOW THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES ARE NOT LIMITED TO JUST THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY LONG-TERM CARE CENTRES THROUGHOUT THE PROVINCE LOOK TO HAVE REGISTERED NURSES WITHIN THEIR FACILITIES. THE VONs

THERE ARE OTHER EMPLOYERS BESIDES THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY REGISTERED NURSES WITHIN THE PROVINCE CAN FIND EMPLOYMENT The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> ARE THERE ANY CURRENT INCENTIVES OR BONUSES FOR NURSES TO REMAIN IN NOVA SCOTIA AFTER THEY GRADUATE? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY, I’M NOT SURE THE FULL EXTENT WHERE THEY HAVE THEM BUT AGAIN I DO KNOW THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN HARD TO RECRUIT AREAS, THERE ARE AT LEAST SOME INCENTIVES. I MADE REFERENCE TO THE CANSO. THERE WAS A SIGNING, I DON’T KNOW IF THEY WHAT THEY CALL IT, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE SIGNING BONUS THE HEALTH AUTHORITY WAS PROVIDING TO ATTEMPT TO ATTRACT NURSES TO THAT REGION. I BELIEVE LAST YEAR WHEN ONE OF THE CRITICAL, REACHED A CRITICAL LEVEL OF NURSING SHORTAGE WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY, THE MUNICIPALITY ALSO STEPPED UP TO PROVIDE SOME COMPENSATION THAT WAS A DECISION MADE BY THE MUNICIPAL YOOMENT NOT ONE. THERE IS NO EXPECTATION OF MUNICIPAL UNITS BUT IN THAT CASE, THERE WERE TWO SOURCES OF INCENTIVES FOR NURSES TO GO TO AN AREA IN HIGH NEED WHAT THE FULL RANGE OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ACTIVE INCENTIVES, I DON’T HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON HAND The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I’M WONDERING IF THE MINISTER CAN REFRESH AND UPDATE ME ON HAVING NURSE PRACTITIONERS IN OUR ER DEPARTMENTS I KNOW ABOUT A YEAR AGO, PERHAPS THERE WAS A PILOT PROJECT THAT WAS STARTING TO ENSURE THAT EVERY ER IN THE PROVINCE EVENTUALLY WOULD HAVE A NURSE PRACTITIONER. I’M WONDERING IF, HOW MANY CURRENTLY HAVE A NURSE PRACTITIONER AND IF THERE ARE PLANS TO ENSURE ALL ERs ACROSS OUR PROVINCE HAVE A NURSE PRACTITIONER TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT AND FAIR The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR >> THEY PROVIDE A VALUABLE ROLE IN OUR PROVINCE. WE HAVE SEEN AN EXPANSION IN THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR NURSE PRACTITIONERS AS PER OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION. AS THE MEMBER IS NOTING IN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS ONE OF THE PIECES WITH NURSE PRACTITIONERS THOUGH IS IT’S ON A RELATIVE SCALE. THE OPPORTUNITIES WERE NOT AS PREVALENT AS THEY ARE TODAY. SO YOU RUN INTO A SUPPLY-DEMAND CHALLENGE. WE HAVE TO MANAGE OUR EXPANSION ALONG WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF SUPPLY OF NURSE PRACTITIONERS TO PROVIDE THE CARE. WE DO HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES. DIGBY IS ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT STARTED WITH A NURSE PRACTITIONER IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT PROVIDING LOWER ACUITY FOR THE RESPONSES WITHIN THEIR SCOPE OF PRACTICE TO HELP SUPPORT BECAUSE AGAIN ONE OF THE CONSTRAINTS ON OUR ABILITY TO MORE RAPIDLY EXPAND OPPORTUNITIES FOR NURSE PRACTITIONERS IS THE SUPPLY OF NURSE PRACTITIONERS. SO WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT NURSE PRACTITIONER TRAINING THROUGH DALHOUSIE PROGRAM. EXPANDED THE NUMBER OF SEATS THE OTHER YEAR WE PUT IN AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM WHERE AN EXISTING REGISTERED NURSE WOULD CONTINUE TO GET FUNDING WHILE THEY COMPLETED THEIR NURSE PRACTITIONER UPGRADES, I DON’T KNOW IF IT’S CLINICALLY REFERRED TO AS A MASTERS, SIMILAR TO COMPLETING A MASTERS LEVEL OF STUDY THAT THEY WOULD BE COMPLETING ON TOP OF THE REGISTERED NURSE DEGREE. WE PROVIDE THAT COMPENSATION. BUT THAT COMES WITH THE RETURN OF SERVICE TO AN UNDERSERVED AREA IN THAT CASE, WE’RE PREDOMINANTLY FOCUSED ON ROLLING OUT IN UNDERSERVED AREAS FOR PRIMARY CARE. WE HAVE BEEN HAVING CHALLENGES WITH PHYSICIANS AND OTHER HEALTH-CARE PROVIDERS THROUGH THIS TRAINING PROGRAM AND INCENTIVE. IT’S BEEN ABLE TO SUPPORT THE OTHER PHYSICIANS IN COMMUNITIES AND

PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IN THE PRIMARY CARE SPACE SPECIFICALLY THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, I MADE REFERENCE TO A RECENT MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE NOVA SCOTIA NURSES UNION. THIS WAS A TOPIC THAT HAS COME UP, AS WELL. I REALLY THINK SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS THE BIGGER CHALLENGE THERE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE POTENTIAL ROLE IS RECOGNIZED AND ACKNOWLEDGED. BUT AGAIN WE WOULDN’T WANT TO SEE A SITUATION WHERE WE EXPANDED OPPORTUNITIES WITHOUT THE SUPPLY TO FILL THE POSITIONS. ONLY TO SEE PRIMARY CARE MOVING INTO EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS. NOT HAVING A NET BENEFIT TO THE SYSTEM IN A NURSE CHOOSES OR PREFERS A DIFFERENT WORK ENVIRONMENT. IT IS A CHALLENGE TO STRIKE THE RIGHT BALANCE WITH THE AVAILABLE SUPPLY TO MAXIMUM MAXIMIZE THE ROLES THEY PLAY. TO MAXIMIZE THE HEALTH OUTCOMES FOR OUR PROVINCE The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST A THOUGHT THAT CAME TO MY MIND PERHAPS IF WE HAD ENOUGH DOCTORS FOR EVERY NOVA SCOTIAN, THEN WE COULD TAKE THE NURSE PRACTITIONERS AND PUT THEM IN THE ER AND BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THIS PROVINCE. I KNOW THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE PLAN TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A NURSE PRACTITIONER IN EVERY ER. THEY ARE VALUABLE. I KNOW THERE’S A LOT OF GREAT COMMENTS ON NURSE PRACTITIONERS AND WHERE THEY ARE SERVICING NOVA SCOTIANS IN ERs. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WITH REGARDS TO THE ABERDEEN HOSPITAL IN PICTOU COUNTY, A REGIONAL HOSPITAL, HAS THERE BEEN ANY RECENT DISCUSSIONS WITH REGARDS TO GETTING A NURSE PRACTITIONER FULL TIME IN THAT ER The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVEN’T HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ABERDEEN. I REMIND THE MINISTER, THE OPERATIONAL WORK FALLS TO THE PURVIEW OF THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY. WHILE I HAVEN’T NECESSARILY HAD DIRECT CONVERSATIONS, THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY OPERATIONALLY WOULD EVALUATE THE NEEDS OF THEIR VARIOUS COMMUNITIES AND THE HOSPITALS WITHIN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS TO PRIORITIZE THE RESOURCES THEY PUT IN PLACE AND THAT’S NOT A CONVERSATION I HAVE HAD. THAT DOESN’T MEAN THE ORGANIZATION HAS OR HASN’T. IT JUST MEANS I WASN’T PART OF CONVERSATIONS OF NURSE PRACTITIONERS AT ABERDEEN The Chair: MINISTER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY PATIENTS WERE SERVED BY 8-1-1 AND WHAT THE TOTAL COST WAS? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> JUST FOR CLARITY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE’RE REFERRING TO THE 8-1-1. TELEHEALTH PROGRAM AS OPPOSED TO THE 8-1-1, NEED A FAMILY PRACTICE? GIVE ME ONE SECOND TO DOUBLE-CHECK THE DATA NURPS The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER

>> THANKS, MR. CHAIR, JUST FOR MAXIMIZING THE TIME FOR THE MEMBER, WE’RE STILL LOOKING. I DON’T SEE IT READILY IN THE INDEX OF THE BOOKS THAT DATA WE BROUGHT WITH US. SO IF THE MEMBER WANTS TO MOVE ON, I’LL MAKE NOTES IF I CAN TRACK IT DOWN AND PICK IT UP. I’M GOING TO GO WITH THE ASSUMPTION WE’LL BE BACK HERE TOMORROW HAVING THIS CONVERSATION The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. I BELIEVE THE COST IS CLOSE TO 6 MILLION. BUT WHAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS IS THERE GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL INCREASE IN THAT NUMBER? AS WELL AS I’M WONDERING HOW MANY ARE EMPLOYED? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I GUESS THE CHALLENGE WE’RE HAVING HERE IS THE WAY THE DATA PARTICULARLY THE FINANCIAL DATA GETS ROLLED UP FOR ESTIMATES, THE 8-1-1 PROGRAM IS ROLLED UP IN A LINE ITEM REFERRED TO A I THINK PROVIDER SERVICES. IT’S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITHIN THE HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM F THE WAY WE CONNECT TO HEALTH-CARE PROVIDERS. THAT’S WHY WE HAVE A BROAD NUMBER. BUT IT’S NOT PULLED OUT SPECIFICALLY TO THE 8-1-1 SYSTEM. AND I THINK WHEN YOU’RE ASKING, WHEN THE MEMBER WAS ASKING ABOUT EMPLOYEES, I DIDN’T CATCH WERE THEY REFERRING TO THE NUMBER OF NURSES AND EMPLOYEES EMPLOYED BY 8-1-1 TO DELIVER THE SERVICE IS WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT. 8-1-1. THE MEMBER MENTIONED 6 MILLION I THINK IS ABOUT 5.5, CLOSER TO 5.5 The Chair: THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU. SO WHEN WE CALL THAT NUMBER. I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT IS IT ONLY REGISTERED NURSES OR IS THERE ANY ALLIED HE’LL CARE PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE ALSO HIRED TO WORK UNDER THIS SERVICE? AND IS THERE ANY DATA THAT THE YOU’RE GAUGING TO SEE WHEN THOSE CALLS ARE ENDED, HOW MANY OF THOSE CALLS ARE ACTUALLY THE PATIENT ON THE OTHER LINE ARE TOLD TO GO TO THEIR DOCTOR OR TO THE ER. DO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF HOW MANY ARE TOLD THAT? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IN FACT, WE DID COMPLETE A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT LAST YEAR ON THE 8-1-1 SYSTEM. THAT REPORT WAS MADE PUBLIC AS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. I DON’T RECALL WHAT THE ABSOLUTE NUMBER WAS BUT I DO RECALL IT WAS AN INTERESTING REPORT BUILDING ON THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS BY THE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND DATA SET HE PROVIDED SOME OF THE SURVEYS SHOWED THE SURVEY QUESTIONS BEING PERCEPTION AND IN THE REPORT IT DID SHOW SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WERE ABOUT THE PERCEPTION OF HEALTH-CARE PROVIDERS AND THE 8-1-1 SERVICES BEING DELIVERED BUT IT ALSO DID HAVE MORE ABSOLUTE DATA SUCH AS WHEN A PATIENT WAS RECOMMENDED TO AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, TO GO TO AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, DID THEY GO OR NOT GO? IN SOME INSTANCES IF THEY CALLED AND THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO A DOCTOR AT EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT BASICALLY THE QUESTION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, DO WE HAVE DATA THAT SHOWS WHETHER PATIENTS WHO CALL UNTIL FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF 8-1-1 AND AGAIN THERE WAS THAT COMPREHENSIVE REPORT THAT WAS COMPLETED AND LAST YEAR THAT DOES SHOW IT HAS HAD A POSITIVE IMPACT. PEOPLE DO GENERALLY FOLLOW THE DIRECTION THAT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO CALL 8-1-1 FIRST AND REFERRED TO AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT TEND TO WHICH MORE ACUTE HEALTH-CARE NEEDS WHEN THEY SHOW UP AT THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT THAN THE AVERAGE POPULATION. AND GENERALLY THAT WILL THEY DO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF THE 8-1-1 PROVIDER. NOT IN ALL INSTANCES. THERE’S VARIABILITY THERE. THERE’S PEOPLE WHO INTENDED TO GO TO THE ED WHEN THEY CALLED AND THEY WERE RECOMMENDED NOT TO GO SOME BUT NOT TALL FOLLOW THE ADVICE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT DAY, GO TO A WALK-IN CLINIC OR PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER. OTHERS

WHO WERE CALLED WITH NO INTENTION TO GO TO A HEALTH-CARE PROVIDER AND THE RECOMMENDATION REFERRAL. JUST, AGAIN, I GUESS FOR THE SAKE OF VALUE FOR ANYONE WHO HAS NEVER USED THE 8-18-18 SYSTEM OR NOT SUPER FAMILIAR, WE HAD A HEALTH SITUATION IN MY FAMILY A FEW YEARS AGO. WE DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO IT. WE CALLED 8-1-1. MY INITIAL THOUGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT BASED UPON THE SYMPTOMS. THEY PROVIDED A LOT OF VALUABLE INFORMATION THAT HELPED US GET THROUGH THAT SITUATION. IT DIDN’T REQUIRE AN EMERGENCY VISIT. BUT IT WAS THE RIGHT CLINICAL RECOMMENDATION WE WERE ABLE TO PROCEED THROUGH THE NEXT DAY AND FOLLOW UP WITH THE HEALTH-CARE PROVIDER. IT WAS THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT. THERE WAS NOTHING CLINICALLY THAT COULD BE DONE TO ADDRESS THAT SITUATION. IT WAS A NATURAL THING THAT TIME WOULD PROCESS THE POINT IS JUST REACHING OUT, THE ADVICE THEY GIVE IS CLINICALLY ACCURATE ADVICE. IT DOES I THINK EVEN AS A NEW PARENT WHERE IT WAS OFTEN AGAIN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, OFTEN USED PARTICULARLY FOR THAT SIMPLE THING OF WHEN IS THAT TEMPERATURE SO HIGH YOU SHOULD GO IN WITH A NEWBORN OR YOUNG CHILD? DATA YOU SHOULD KNOW, BUT THE TIME BETWEEN FEVERS YOU SOMETIMES FORGET. I DO BELIEVE THE HEALTH SERVICE FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES, ALSO THE DATA FROM THE REPORT THAT WAS CONDUCTED LAST YEAR DOES SHOW THAT IT DOES PLAY A VALUABLE ROLE AND THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT LIKE MYSELF DO VALUE THE SERVICES PROVIDED. AND TO AN EARLIER QUESTION, I THINK THE MEMBER WANTED TO KNOW, MR. CHAIR, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE SERVICED AND FOR THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVE FISCAL 18-19. WE KNOW THAT JUST UNDER 91,000 PATIENTS WERE SERVICED THROUGH THAT SYSTEM The Chair: THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I BELIEVE THE MINISTER IS INDICATING THIS IS AN INVESTMENT, A WORTHY INVESTMENT I’M WONDERING IF HE CAN CONFIRM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS AROUND ADDING TO THIS SERVICE. OTHER ALLIED HEALTH-CARE PROFESSIONALS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE REGISTERED NURSES THAT ARE ON THE OTHER LINE. ARE WE THINKING ABOUT ADDING DIETICIAN OR PHYSIOTHERAPIST? ANY OTHER ALLIED HEALTH-CARE PROFESSIONALS THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW IN YOUR DEPARTMENT YOU MAY ADD TO THIS 8-18-1 SERVICE? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR CERTAINLY WE DO LEVERAGE THE SERVICES OF THE 8-#-1 SYSTEM TO SUPPORT OTHER AREAS. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE SMOKING CESSATION PROGRAM THAT WE RUN THROUGH THE 8-1-1 PROGRAM. I BELIEVE GAMBLING SUPPORT, AS WELL, RUNS THROUGH THE 8-1-1 SYSTEM. SO THESE, MR. CHAIR, ARE EXAMPLES. WHERE WILL WE DO LEVERAGE THE SYSTEM TO DELIVER PROGRAMS WHICH I THINK IS TO THE MEMBER’S NOTE. I’M NOT AWARE OF AGAIN A DIETICIAN TYPE OF PROGRAM. I DON’T RECALL THAT STREAM. I GUESS MY RESPONSE, MR. CHAIR, I GUESS IS WE DO RECOGNIZE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DELIVER PROGRAMS OTHER THAN ITS ORIGINAL INTENTION FOR IMMEDIATE CLINICAL CARE. BUT TO RUN OTHER TYPES OF PROGRAMS THROUGH THAT SERVICE OFFERING AND WE HAVE LEVERAGED THEM. THE NOTION OF I GUESS THE MEMBER’S QUESTION AROUND DIETICIANS AS AN EXAMPLE I DON’T RECALL ANYONE MENTIONING OR SUGGESTING THAT. BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTH MYSELF ACTUALLY ENDEAVOURING TO INQUIRE IF ANYONE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I CAN THINK OF POTENTIAL VALUE THERE. RIGHT NOW WE DO AGAIN JUST TO ANSWER SOME OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS QUICKLY. I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION THE MEMBER HOW MANY NURSES, AT 8-1-1. THERE’S APPROXIMATELY 45 BOTH FULL AND PART-TIME NURSES SUPPORTING THE SYSTEM. THREE TYPES OF STAFF. ASSOCIATES, COUNSELLORS AND NURSES

GAMBLING SUPPORT AND SMOKING CESSATION. DIETICIANS IS NOT ONE THAT HAS EVER COME UP, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING FUTURE PROGRAM EXPANSION I WOULD RAISE THE QUESTION. IT HAS TO BE PRIORITIZED AMONGST THE OTHER PROGRAMS AND SERVICES DELIVERED WITHIN THE PROGRAM The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE’RE LIVING IN A MODERN WORLD THINGS ARE CHANGING QUICKLY VIRTUAL HEALTH IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE SOMETHING THAT WE ALL WANT TO TAP INTO. AND I’M WONDERING IF THE MINISTER CAN CLARIFY. WE HAVE HAD RESIDENTS THAT HAD TO GO OUTSIDE THE PROVINCE FOR MEDICAL CARE WHICH THE PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA PAID FOR BECAUSE THEY COULDN’T RECEIVE THAT CARE IN THIS PROVINCE. WE ALLOWED THEM TO GO, MOST RECENTLY HAD A RESIDENT GO TO BOSTON TO GET AN EYE OPERATION. IT WAS COVERED. IT WAS A GOOD PROCESS OF US WORKING IN ORDER TO GET THAT HAPPEN FOR HER. I’M GRATEFUL THE SYSTEM ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN. MY FRUSTRATION COMES FROM THOSE THAT DON’T HAVE A DOCTOR OR ANY PRIMARY CARE. WHY WOULDN’T WE CONSIDER A SYSTEM SOMETHING LIKE MAPLE. I’M SURE THE MINISTER IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT SYSTEM I DO HAVE RESIDENTS THAT USE THAT SYSTEM. BUT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES. AND I THINK THAT’S WRONG. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE COVERING THAT SO I’M WONDERING IF THE MINISTER COULD MAYBE GIVE ME HIS OPINION ON WHY WE’RE NOT COVERING THE COST FOR NOVA SCOTIAN TO RECEIVE VIRTUAL CARE FROM EXAMPLE MAY BE MAPLE. BUT WE ALLOW OTHERS TO GO OUT OF PROVINCE AND RECEIVE CARE AND PAY FOR IT? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> SO A LITTLE BIT TO UNPACK THERE. BECAUSE I’M NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. – NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. IN ONE INSTANCE THE NOTION OF RECEIVING OUT OF PROVINCE CARE. IF YOU’RE TRYING TO DO THE COMPARISON TO MAPLE PERHAPS TALKING PRIMARY CARE SETTING MR. CHAIR. OR SERVICES CERTAINLY NOVA SCOTIANS ARE ABLE TO GET OUT OF PROVINCE CARE IF THEY HAPPEN TO BE IN ANOTHER PROVINCE, NATIONALLY WE HAVE RECIPROCAL BILLING ARRANGEMENTSES ARRANGEMENTS WITH SISTER. TO THAT END, TALKING SPECIFICALLY JUST TO THE PRIMARY CARE, OTHER HEALTH SERVICES OUT OF PROVINCE, THAT CARE IS PROVIDED AND YOU DON’T PAY OUT-OF-POCKET. IT’S RECIPROCALLY BILLED THROUGH THE PROVINCE. WE DEAL WITH EACH OTHER. JUST LIKE PEOPLE FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS RECEIVE CARE IN NOVA SCOTIA. WE JUST WORK OUT THE NET BALANCES AT WHATEVER INTERVAL FINANCIALLY BETWEEN THE JURISDICTIONS. SEAMLESS FOR CITIZENS. I THINK THE EXAMPLE THOUGH THAT THE MEMBER DESCRIBED WITHOUT KNOWING CERTAINLY THE SPECIFICS OF GOING TO SAY BOSTON FOR AN EYE SURGERY OR TREATMENT THAT, MR. CHAIR, IS LIKELY A CLINICAL SERVICE OF A SPECIALIZED NATURE THAT’S NOT PROVIDED HERE THAT WAS CLINICALLY NECESSARY. THAT MET THE CLINICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR CARE THAT WE COULDN’T PROVIDE HERE IN THE PROVINCE. SO THERE IS A PROCESS. BUT IT WOULDN’T BE THE FAMILY PHYSICIANS THAT PROVIDE THAT REFERRAL. IT WOULD BE A SPECIALTY SERVICE THAT GOES THROUGH AND WOULD REQUIRE THE SPECIALIST TO MAKE THE CLINICAL RECOMMENDATION FOR A PATIENT THEY DO THAT THROUGH MSI AGAIN, ROUGHLY SHOULD BE SEAMLESS FOR THE PATIENT. IF THE SPECIALIST IS MAKING THE REFERRAL THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA. GETS EVALUATED. THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY SUBMIT THAT PRIOR TO ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THROUGH. SO AGAIN JUST AN EXAMPLE OF A SERVICE THAT’S NOT PROVIDED HERE THAT IS LUNG TRANSPLANTS. THAT’S A PARTICULAR SERVICE THAT IS ONLY PROVIDED AT LIMITED NUMBER OF

PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND THERE WOULDN’T BE ENOUGH OF THEM CONDUCTED IN THE PROVINCE TO BE DONE SAFELY. SO IT IS CLINICALLY FOR PRUDENT. I BELIEVE WE GENERALLY PATIENTS GO TO TORONTO TO RECEIVE THAT PARTICULAR SERVICE. AS IT RELATES, MOVING AWAY FROM THE NOTION OF OUT OF PROVINCE HEALTH-CARE SERVICES INTO THE NOTION WE TALKED ABOUT I THINK IN OUR LAST CONVERSATION ABOUT AN HOUR-AND-A-HALF AGO IS THE NOTION OF VIRTUAL CARE. WHAT THE MEMBERS RAISED WHEN MENTIONING MAPLE IS PRIVATE THIRD PARTY SERVICE PROVIDERS FOR THE HEALTH-CARE DELIVERY IT’S SOMETHING WE’RE AWARE OF SOMETHING THAT WE’RE EVALUATING WHAT ARE THE VISITTAL CARE OPTIONS – VIRTUAL CARE BETWEEN 2016 AND NOW A LOT HAS CHANGED. THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF SERVICES THAT HAVE ADVANCED. WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH INTERNET CONNECTIVITY. IF WE’RE GOING TO ROLL OUT SERVICES THAT ARE DELIVERED AND REQUIRE BROAD BAND SERVICES, WE NEED TO ENSURE RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. IT’S GREAT THE PROVINCE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS AND REALLY LED BY DEVELOP NOVA SCOTIA HAVE SET ASIDE ALMOST 200 MILLION TO HELP EXPAND RURAL BROAD BAND INTERNET ACCESS TO ENSURE CITIZENS HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN ADVANCEMENTS IN TECHNOLOGY, FOR WORK, PLAY OR INDEED THEIR HEALTH-CARE. BUT IT IS RELATIVELY NEW SERVICES. THESE ARE RELATIVELY NEW SERVICES. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE AS WE’RE EVALUATING THEM, WHEN WE PULL THAT LEVER, WE MAKE SURE WE DO IT PROPERLY. AND TO AVOID ANY POTENTIAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF PURSUING A PATH BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTOR WITHIN THE CURRENT HEALTH-CARE ENVIRONMENT AND IT REQUIRES A LOT OF CONSULTATION, ENGAGEMENT AND ENSURE WHAT MODEL WOULD BE BEST SUITED. WHETHER IT’S GOING TO A PRIVATE THIRD PARTY OR ENGAGING WITH OUR EXISTING POPULATION AND PROVIDING THEM 89 TOOLS TO PROVIDE VIRTUAL CARE WITHIN THE PROVINCE The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH, MINISTER, FOR THAT BEEN ANSWER. I WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF DIALYSIS UNIT THAT’S GOING AHEAD AT THE HALIFAX INFIRMARY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW OR HAVE AN EXPLANATION OF HOW WE GET TO THE EXPANSION OF BEING SIX CHAIRS. WHAT KIND OF MEETINGS WERE HELD? CONSULTATIONS AND PERHAPS EVEN STAKEHOLDERS TO DETERMINE THAT IT WAS SIX CHAIRS THAT THE EXPANSION WOULD INCLUDE? The Chair: THE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AS THE MEMBER KNOWS, WE HAVE DONE REVIEWS ON THE NEEDS FOR DIALYSIS. MOST OF THAT ATTENTION HAS BEEN ON MORE RURAL SETTINGS. CREATING OR EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF SEATS. THAT WORK WAS DONE BEFORE MY TIME IN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS. AS PART OF THE QE II DWMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY, INCLUDING ON THE PENINSULA. – THE EXPANSION OUT TO BAYER’S AND DARTMOUTH GENERAL, THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY ENGAGING WITH CLINICIANS AND HEALTH-CARE PROVIDERS. AND EVALUATING THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE CAME UP WITH A NEED FOR A DOZEN SEATS IN PRESIDENT HRM AREA. SO SOME OF THE EXPANSION, SIX SEATS IN DARTMOUTH GENERAL AND SIX SEATS ON THE PENINSULA. THAT REALLY WAS THE CLINICAL RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE A DOZEN NEW SEATS IN THE CENTRAL ZONE HRM REGION. AND BASED UPON THE SPACE AVAILABILITY AND CONFIGURATION, THAT’S HOW WE LANDED ON SIX IN

DARTMOUTH AND SIX OVER HERE ON THE PENINSULA The Chair: THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU. I THANK THE MINISTER FOR HIS ANSWER. I’M CURIOUS ABOUT THE EXPANSIONS IN KEMPTVILLE, DIGBY, GLACE BAY AND DARTMOUTH. HOW MANY CHAIRS THEY’RE RECEIVING. AND PERHAPS YOU CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TODAY. BUT ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE COST PER LOCATION OF THOSE AREAS THAT I JUST MENTIONED WITH THE COST WILL BE PERHAPS YOU WOULD HAVE THE NUMBER OF CHAIRS EACH OF THEM ARE RECEIVING The Chair: MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AGAIN, THE DECISIONS AROUND THE BULK OF THE DIALYSIS EXPANSIONS WERE MADE BEFORE I CAME INTO THE ROLE OF MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS BASED UPON A REPORT AND WORK THAT WAS DONE ANALYZING WHERE THE BEST LOCATIONS FOR EITHER NEW SITES OR EXPANSIONS BASED UPON THE SYSTEM. BUT THOSE SEATS, MANY ARE COMING ON-LINE AM WE EXPECT IN THE 2021 FISCAL YEAR TOTAL NUMBER OF IS 42 DIALYSIS STATIONS. THEY ARE DIGBY, SIX STATIONS, KEMPTVILLE, 12 STATIONS, WHICH IS INCLUDING THE REPLACEMENT OF SIX IN BURWICK. DEEMED TO HAVE APPROPRIATE WITH KEMPTVILLE DARTMOUTH EXPANSION OF SIX STATIONS. HALIFAX WITH THE EXPANSION OF SIX STATIONS. AND BRIDGEWATER WITH 12 STATIONS THAT’S IN THE DESIGN PHASE. THE COST ESTIMATES DARTMOUTH GENERAL DIALYSIS, TOTAL PROJECTED COST FOR DARTMOUTH GENERAL DIALYSIS IS ABOUT $7.75 MILLION. 7.75 THE EXPECTED COST FOR DARTMOUTH GENERAL. FOR GLACE BAY, ABOUT THE SAME. 7.7 MILLION DIGBY GENERAL. THEY’RE ABOUT $7.7 MILLION FOR THE PROJECTS EACH. THE HALIFAX INFIRMARY WE’RE AT THE EARLY STAGES MOVING INTO THE DESIGN AT THIS POINT IS ABOUT 300,000. AGAIN, THAT’S ALMOST COMPLETED FOR THE DESIGN WE’LL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION ONCE IT GETS TO THAT STAGE The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PAST MINISTER OF HEALTH NOW THE CURRENT MINISTER OF COMMUNITY, CULTURE AND HERITAGE, IT WAS UNDER HIS DIRECTION FOR THESE AREAS TO RECEIVE CHAIRS. MY CONCERN IS THAT PICTOU COUNTY HAS OVER 46,000 PEOPLE. AND WE HAVE FOUR CHAIRS. AND MY COLLEAGUE FROM PICTOU CENTRE, FROM PICTOU EAST AND I, ALL THREE OF US THE LAST SEVEN YEARS HAVE BEEN STANDING IN OUR PLACE REQUESTING TO BE AT LEAST REVIEWED, TO BE CONSIDERED. WE HAVE PEOPLE TRAVELLING TO HALIFAX AND OTHER LOCATIONS TO RECEIVE THIS LIFESAVING SERVICE. I HAVE A MAN 87 YEARS OLD. IT’S NOT RIGHT. IT’S NOT FAIR. SADLY WE HAVE THE SPACE IN THE PICTOU HOSPITAL TO AT LEAST HAVE ANOTHER SIX CHAIRS. MAYBE EVEN MORE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE MINISTER WHAT ARE THE PLANS TO INCREASE THE DIALYSIS CHAIRS FROM FOUR TO WHATEVER NUMBER AT THE PICTOU HOSPITAL The Chair: MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I BELIEVE AGAIN THE PROCESS THAT WAS UNDERTAKEN INCLUDED A REPORT

AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CLINICIANS AROUND TO IDENTIFY AND PRIORITIZE THE RECOMMENDED LOCATIONS. YES, UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PREVIOUS MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS, THAT PROPOSAL WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FOR FUNDING. BUT THE ORIGINATION OF THE PROPOSAL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AT THE MINISTERIAL LEVEL. THESE ARE BUSINESS PLANS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME FROM CLINICIANS. I KNOW THAT CERTAINLY THE MEMBER FROM ARGYLE-BARRINGTON, BOTH THE PREVIOUS AND CURRENT HAVE ASKED ABOUT THE DIALYSIS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES ON A REGULAR BASIS MUCH LIKE THE MEMBERS FROM PICTOU WITH COUNTY HAVE, AS WELL. MY RESPONSE REMAINS THE SAME THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. AS I SAID IN THE PAST WE NEED TO GET THOSE IMPLEMENTED, ESTABLISH THE CHANGE THAT THAT HAS TO THE CARE AND THE TRAVEL PATTERNS, THE NECESSARY TRAVEL PATTERNS FOR THOSE IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES TO HELP INFORM THE NEXT PHASE OF REVIEW FOR DIALYSIS. BUT AGAIN THERE WAS A REVIEW DONE A FEW YEARS BACK AT THAT REVIEW INFORMED PROPOSAL FOR NEW AND EXPANDED DIALYSIS SITES. THOSE ARE THE SITES THAT WERE ASSESSED AND APPROVED PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. WE NEED TO GET THESE CHAIRS UP AND RUNNING. THAT’S BEEN THE FOCUS AND PRIORITY THAT WE HAVE HAD AS I SAID IN THE PAST, WHEN WE’RE DONE AND AGAIN THIS IS THE YEAR WE EXPECT TO SEE THE EARLIER PROJECTS COME ON STREAM WHICH I THINK MEANS WE’RE NEARING THAT POINT WHERE WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE OF CONSIDERATION FOR DIALYSIS STATIONS. BUT WE’RE NOT QUITE AT THAT POINT IN TIME YET BECAUSE THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING, NOT JUST FOR THE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS BUT ALSO THE ONGOING OPERATIONAL INVESTMENTS THAT ARE MADE. SO AGAIN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE’RE DOING SO AND MAKING THESE INVESTMENT DECISIONS. IT’S IMPORTANT AS THE MEMBER RIGHTLY NOTED, VERY IMPORTANT LIFESAVING INVESTMENTS IN DIALYSIS. IT’S ALSO WORTH NOTING SOME OF THAT INCLUDES HOME DIALYSIS TREATMENT OPTIONS AND EVALUATING WHAT IF ANY CHANGES ARE NECESSARY IN OUR NEVADA AIR TRAFFIC NEPHROLOGY TO SUPPORT NOVA SCOTIANS MAY FIND HOME DIALYSIS IS RIGHT FOR THEM CLINICALLY AND OTHERWISE BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY POSITIVE BENEFITS FOR BEING ABLE TO HAVE HOME DIALYSIS UNITS ESTABLISHED. YOU DON’T NEED THEM IN LARGE HOSPITALS. AND IN MANY CASES HAVE THE DIALYSIS RUN WHILE YOU’RE SLEEPING. IT GIVES A DIALYSIS PATIENT THEIR LIFE BACK. IT DOESN’T SERVE ALL PATIENTS, BUT FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE ELIGIBLE, IT’S AN AREA I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME FURTHER WORK AND OPPORTUNITIES PURSUED BECAUSE OF HOW SIGNIFICANT THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES CAN BE FOR THOSE ELIGIBLE. AND JUST LOOKING AT US ON A NATIONAL BASIS, WE LAG BEHIND MOST OF THE COUNTRY FOR THE ADOPTION RATE OF HOME DIALYSIS. SO AGAIN CHAIRS IN HOSPITALS AREN’T THE ONLY SOLUTION. SOME ARE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES, AS WELL. THAT’S WHERE I THINK THE NEXT REVIEW IS LIKELY TO FOCUS. A COMBINATION OF NOT JUST THE PROVINCIAL LENS, BUT IN TERMS OF PROVINCIAL SITES, BUT ALSO OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOME HEMO DIALYSIS, AS WELL The Chair: THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WITH REGARDS TO THE SUTHERLAND MEMORIAL HOSPITAL LOCATED IN PICKS TOW, THERE ARE PICTOU, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHANGES WITH OUR CLINIC THAT IS BEING BUILT. IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND PERHAPS BLOOD COLLECTIONS OR PERHAPS THE VETERANS UNIT OR RESTORATIVE CARE UNIT OR MAYBE OUR DIALYSIS UNIT. WITH THIS EXTRA FREE SPACE WE’RE GOING TO HAVE LOCATED AT THIS HOSPITAL, I’M WONDERING WITH THE MINISTER HAS ANY PLANS HIMSELF FOR THIS

AREA, THIS FREE SPACE WE’RE GOING TO NOW HAVE? The Chair: MINISTER OF HEALTH >> JUST LOOKING FOR CLARITY WHICH SITE IS MEMBER REFERRING TO The Chair: THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THE SUTHERLAND HARRIS MEMORIAL HOSPITAL. WE’RE MOVING OUR CLINIC OUT OF THE HOSPITAL WE’RE HAVING A NEW ONE BUILT AND IT’S DELAYED. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WILL DEFINITELY BE READY BY SEPTEMBER. AND THIS IS GOING TO FREE UP A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE IN THIS HOSPITAL AND I’M WONDERING WHAT DISCUSSIONS HAVE TAKEN PLACE TO ENSURE WE CAN STILL USE THAT SPACE? The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THANK THE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. THAT AGAIN AS I NOTED IN PAST OPERATIONAL WORK NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH THAT CLINIC. AS WELL AS THE WORK THEY WOULD HAVE WITH THEIR HOSPITAL SPACE AT AS YOU SHER LAND MEMORIAL. I’M NOT AWARE OF ANY PLANS, PROPOSED BY THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY AT THIS POINT FOR THAT SPACE THAT DOESN’T MEAN THEY’RE NOT PREPARED WITH THEIR OWN OPERATIONAL PLANS. BUT AGAIN AS FAR AS WHEN THEY WOULD TIME THAT TO BRING FORWARD FOR BUDGET CONSIDERATION, I THINK THEIR FOCUS IS LIKELY ON GETTING THE NEW SPACE AND PROJECT COMPLETED SO THAT THEY MAKE THAT CHANGE AND THEN THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT AND HOW THEY WOULD WANT TO MAKE USE OR DO WITH ANY EXCESS SPACE THEY WOULD HAVE WITHIN THE SUTHERLAND HARRIS SITE. BUT AT THIS POINT THERE’S NOTHING THAT I’M AWARE OF THAT WOULD SUGGEST NEW PROGRAMS WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR SITE The Chair: THE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST >> THANK YOU. I NOTE THE MINISTER HAS SEE ME STAND IN MY PLACE AND ASK OFTEN ABOUT THE VETERANS UNIT THAT IS LOCATED, AS WELL IN THE SUTHERLAND HARRIS MEMORIAL HOSPITAL. WE’RE AWARE THERE’S A FEDERAL COMPONENT TO OUR VETERANS UNITS. WE’RE ALL AWARE, AS WELL, POLICY ON A FEDERAL LEVEL STATES THAT THESE UNITS ARE NOT TO SERVE ANYONE BEYOND THE KOREAN WAR, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING TO CHANGE SINCE 2013 MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT’S BEING REVIEWED AND PERHAPS THESE CHANGES WILL COME. BUT CURRENTLY AT THE AS YOU SUTHERLAND HARRIS MEMORIAL HOSPITAL WHERE THE VETERANS UNIT IS LOCATED, THERE ARE 20 BEDS RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE 11 VETERANS. AND OFTEN, YOU KNOW, I COMPLAIN ABOUT HAVING THESE EMPTY BEDS THAT ARE NOT BEING UTILIZED, AND OF COURSE WE COULD BE UTILIZING THEM. AND I’M WONDERING IF THERE’S BEEN ANY RECENT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MINISTER’S FEDERAL COLLEAGUES ON CHANGING POLICY AND ENSURING THAT WE ARE USING THOSE BEDS FOR NOT JUST OUR VETERANS, BUT PERHAPS OPENING THIS THEM UP AS COMMUNITY BEDS, AS WELL? The Chair: MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR INDEED, THE MEMBER HAS CORRECTLY NOTED HOW THE VETERANS BEDS, PARTICULARLY IN THE LONG-TERM CARE SPACE ARE FIGURED IN. BE A SIMILAR SITUATION IN MANY COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE PROVINCE MR., CHAIR. THE FEDERAL POLICY ON HOW THEY DEFINE VETERANS FOR ELIGIBILITY FOR THE BEDS FOR WHICH THEY PAY THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE OR RESERVE I GUESS THOSE BEDS IS THE PURVIEW OF THE FEDERAL VETERANS AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT BUT AS FAR AS RECENT CONVERSATIONS, I HAVEN’T HAD A RECENT CONVERSATION, BUT CERTAINLY AT THE STAFF LEVEL IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS TIMELY. IT IS PART OF OUR BROADER WORK IN EVALUATING OPPORTUNITIES TO ENSURE

AVAILABILITY AND OF LONG-TERM CARE BEDS IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY’RE NEEDED. WE ARE EVALUATING MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS. SOME ARE BUILDING AND EXPANDING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN METAGIN, THE ANNOUNCEMENT TO REPLACE THAT FACILITY, WE TOOK A BROADER LOOK AT WHAT THE ANTICIPATED DEMAND FOR THE REGION WAS. – WE ADDED ADDITIONAL BEDS SO IT’S NOT JUST A REPLACEMENT. IT’S A REPLACEMENT PLUS ADDITIONAL BEDS. SAME THING IN CAPE BRETON. WHEN WE DID THE REDEVELOPMENT, WE WERE DOING THE ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE LONG-TERM CARE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE. AND WE BUILT IN THE ADDITIONAL BEDS THAT’S ON THE MORE TRADITIONAL BUILDING NEW BEDS APPROACH. BUT WE ALSO HAVE BEEN WORKING TO IDENTIFY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AGAIN, AROUND THINGS LIKE VETERANS AFFAIRS BEDS. WE CERTAINLY DON’T WANT TO PREVENT VETERANS. THAT’S WHY R WHERE THESE CONVERSATIONS GET CHALLENGING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE CARE THEY NEED WHEN THEY NEED IT. SO AGAIN WE WANT TO BE ENTER THOSE CONVERSATIONS CAREFULLY BECAUSE WE DON’T WANT TO HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. BUT AS I SAID, MR. CHAIR, THE WORK OF THE DEPARTMENT AND CONTINUING CARE TEAM I THINK HAS SHOWN SOME INGENUITY. PRIME EXAMPLE IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT WE MADE IN THE FALL RESPECTING THE CONVERSION OF VACANT RCF RESIDENCE CAL CARE FACILITY BEDS HERE IN HALIFAX 30 OF THEM INTO LONG-TERM CARE BEDS. THESE WERE BEDS THAT WERE ESSENTIALLY CHRONICLELY VACANT AT THE RCF. A LOWER LEVEL OF ACUITY CARE. WE’RE GOING VACANT. IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER AND FASTER TO HAVE AT THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY RENOVATED AND TRANSITIONED TO BE LICENCED AS A LONG-TERM CARE IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THAT FACILITY WAS RELATIVELY NEW AND WAS BY AND LARGE BUILT TO THE LONG-TERM CARE STANDARDS SO IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT ALL RCF THAT HAVE VACANCIES WOULD BE ABLE TO DO EASILY. BUT WHEN WE SAW THE OPPORTUNITY AND HAD A WILLING PARTNER, WE PURSUED IT THAT MEANS WE’LL HAVE 30 ADDITIONAL LONG-TERM CARE BEDS COMING ON STREAM IN HALIFAX I BELIEVE AS EARLY AS THE END OF THIS FISCAL. THAT IS MARCH, THE END OF MARCH 2020 The Chair: MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST. 30 SECONDS >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ON WITH SOME QUESTIONS AROUND THE VETERANS UNIT, BECAUSE IT IS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE. IT’S A GREAT SERVICE THAT’S THERE. AND I KNOW THAT THE MINISTER IS NOT GOING TO HAVE TIME TO ANSWER MY NEXT QUESTION. SO I THINK I WILL JUST TAKE MY SEAT AND WE WILL MOVE ON AND I WILL CONTINUE ON WHEN WE START AGAIN. THANK YOU SO MUCH The Chair: THE TIME FOR THE CONSERVATIVES HAS EXPIRED. NOW ON TO THE N.D.P., 23 MINUTES THE MEMBER FROM HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. A COUPLE MINUTE BREAK? NO The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR UNFORTUNATELY, I APPRECIATE AND I THINK MY COLLEAGUES HERE APPRECIATE THE OFFER OF THE LEADER OF THE N.D.P. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY DON’T SEEM TO ENJOY THESE SEATS IN THIS CHAMBER AS MUCH AS WE DO. SO THEY WANT TO JUST KEEP GOING AND WRAP UP THIS EVENING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE The Chair: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WELL, THERE’S CERTAIN KIND OF JOBS WHERE YOU PUT YOUR HEAD DOWN AND GO. WELL, WITH SOME OF THE TIME THAT WE HAVE LEFT TO CONCLUDE YOUR MARATHON HERE THIS AFTERNOON AND THIS EVENING, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO WHERE WE LEFT OFF THINKING ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE PROVINCE OF THE FEDERAL-PROVINCIAL FUNDING FORMULA. SO I HAD BEEN ASKING ABOUT THE MINISTER’S ASSESSMENT OF WHETHER IN FACT WE NEED SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE PRESENT

FORMULA. THE MINISTER REFLECTED SOME ON THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IN A MORE FOCUSED WAY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR HEALTH-CARE BUDGET. WOULD THE MINISTER SAY THAT THE IMPACT OF HIS GOVERNMENT HAVING ACCEPTED A PERSECUTE CAP TA-BASED FUNDING TRANSFER FORMULA. WOULD THE MINISTER SAY THIS HAS HAD A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE BUDGET FOR HEALTH IN NOVA SCOTIA IN THE COMING YEAR? – PER CAPITA The Chair: THE HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER AGAIN THE AGREEMENT FOR THE CURRENT CANADA HEALTH TRANSFER AS WELL AS THE BILATERAL FUNDING FOR TARGETED TOWARDS MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION AND COMMUNITY CONTINUING CARE SERVICES HAS HAD POSITIVE IMPACTS. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LEVERAGE THAT FUNDING SUPPORT TO EXPAND PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES IN PRIORITY AREAS LIKE MENTAL HEALTH AND CONTINUING CARE. TWO OF THE THREE PRIMARY MANDATED ITEMS FOR THIS GOVERNMENT, BUT FOR ME IN MY TENURE AS HEALTH MINISTER, MY MANDATE LETTER HAD TO BE FOCUSED ON IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ROLL OUT PROGRAMS AND SUPPORTS MORE QUICKLY THAN WE WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE IF WE DIDN’T HAVE THAT TARGETED FUNDING AVAILABLE TO US. BUT THAT SAID, MR. CHAIR, WE CERTAINLY WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR CONVERSATIONS AND EXPRESS OUR POSITION WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE DO BELIEVE THAT CONSIDERATION FOR AN ALTERNATIVE MODEL OF FUNDING, ONE THAT WE THINK WOULD SUPPORT ALL CANADIANS IN FACT WHEN HEALTH-CARE FUNDING DOLLARS ARE FUNDED IN A MODEL THAT IS RELATED TO THE HEALTH-CARE NEEDS OR CHALLENGES AS OPPOSED TO A PER CAPITA BASIS. WE’LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. AND HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD. WE APPRECIATE THE FUNDING PROGRAM. IT IS MORE FUNDING THAN WE WOULD HAVE HAD UNDER THE PREVIOUS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THIS GOVERNMENT CHOSE AND AGREED TO PROVIDE TARGETED FUNDING WITHIN OUR PRIORITY AREAS. THESE ARE AREAS THE HEALTH OF OUR POPULATION NEEDED. AGAIN, THE COMMITMENT TO TARGET AND FOCUS ON CONTINUING CARE. THAT REFLECTS AND RECOGNIZES ONE OF THE PRIMARY HEALTH-CARE NEEDS OF OUR AGING DEMOGRAPHIC HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA The Chair: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. BUT IT IS CERTAINLY NOT A PERIPHERAL THING TO BE ASKING ABOUT. SO MANY AREAS OF CONCERN IN HEALTH-CARE POLICY IN NOVA SCOTIA WHEN WE PURSUE THE AREA OF CONCERN, WE FIND OURSELVES BACK AT THE QUESTION OF FISCAL ADEQUACY FISCAL COMPETENCE. THE ROOT IS FEDERAL TRANSFERS. I DON’T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANYONE WHO WOULD QUESTION THE POINT THE MINISTER HAS MADE THAT BENEFITS HAVE ACCRUED FROM THE CONTINUING CARE MENTAL HEALTH AREA TARGETED FUNDING. THAT’S NOT WHAT IS AT ISSUE. I DO THINK IT IS A FAIR QUESTION AS WE ASSESS TOGETHER THE ADEQUACY OF THE HEALTH ESTIMATES FOR THE COMING YEAR TO ASK THE MINISTER IS THE PER CAPITA FUNDING FORMULA WITH WHICH WE ARE OPERATING PRESENTLY IN OUR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PROVINCE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HAS THIS RESULTED IN A RESULT WHICH IN THIS YEAR’S BUDGET IS BENEFICIAL OR RESULT WHICH IS DETRIMENTAL? The Chair: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK THE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. AS I NOTED PREVIOUSLY, THE CANADA HEALTH TRANSFER AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTERED INTO, YOU CAN’T TEASE THESE FUNDING PROPOSALS OUT. IN FACT, THE AGREEMENT WE ENTERED INTO IS A TWO PART COMPONENT ONE IS THE BASE CANADA HEALTH

TRANSFER FUNDING WHICH WAS BY AND LARGE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE PREVIOUS CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS GOING TO PUT IN PLACE. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE GOT NEW FUNDING COMMITMENT FROM THE CURRENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN TARGETED AREAS THAT WERE SHARED PRIORITIES BETWEEN US PROVINCIALLY AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO I WOULD SAY TO THE MEMBER’S SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THE CURRENT CANADA HEALTH TRANSFER PROGRAM THAT’S IN PLACE, IS IT BETTER THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD IF WE DIDN’T ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT PREVIOUSLY? IN FACT, THIS IS THE BEST AGREEMENT WE COULD GET WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT IS BETTER THAN WHAT THE PREVIOUS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS GOING TO PROVIDE TO A SIGNIFICANT DEGREE, PARTICULARLY IN PRIORITY AREAS, PRIORITY AREAS, ONE OF WHICH DIRECTLY RELATES TO SOME OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC HEALTH CHALLENGES THAT IS OUR AGING POPULATION DEMOGRAPHIC WITH THE SUPPORT AND TARGETED FUNDING. THE OTHER THING THAT’S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS PRIOR TO THIS AGREEMENT, THERE HAD BEEN A LONG-STANDING AGREEMENT, MR. CHAIR, WHICH DID HAVE A HIGHER RATE OF GROWTH IN THE TRANSFER, BUT THAT HIGHER RATE OF GROWTH, MR. CHAIR, DIDN’T ALWAYS RESULT IN THE DIRECT POSITIVE HEALTH OUTCOMES SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I THINK SOMETIMES WITH JUST LOOKING AT NUMBERS THAT WAY AND NOT AT THE ACTUAL AREAS OF CARE AND ENSURING THERE’S A FOCUS DELIVERY, CAN BE THAT OUTCOMES SOMETIMES DON’T GET ACHIEVED AS INTENDED. WHAT WE’RE SEEING WITH OUR INVESTMENTS IN MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTIONS, AS I SAID EARLIER, ONE EXAMPLE. ADULT URGENT CARE ACCESS TO THE PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA HAS GONE FROM 85%, MEETING THE CLINICAL TARGET TIME TO 98% OF PEOPLE MEETING THAT TARGETED TIME. FOR URGENT CARE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES. THAT IS IN PART ACHIEVED BY INVESTMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US AS A PROVINCE, TO SHARE WITH OUR HEALTH-CARE PROVIDERS. NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY. AND SO WE’RE SEEING POSITIVE OUTCOMES, MR. CHAIR ON THE BASIS OF THAT TARGETED FUNDING PART OF THE CURRENT HEALTH TRANSFER. AGAIN TO THE MEMBER’S SPECIFIC QUESTION, I BELIEVE WE HAVE SEEN POSITIVE OUTCOMES BASED UPON THE AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTERED INTO BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE’LL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE I THINK FOR A MODEL OF HEALTH-CARE FUNDING WE BELIEVE COULD BE EVEN BETTER THAN THE CURRENT MODEL OF FUNDING The Chair: HONOURABLE MEMBER FROM HALIFAX-CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THE ADEQUACY OF THE FUNDING FORMULA. AROUND THE TIME WHEN THE MINISTER’S PARTY WAS IN GOVERNMENT THE LAST TIME, IN THE 90 CIRQUE DU 90s, THE PORTION OF OUR PROVINCIAL HEALTH BUDGET THAT WAS FUNDED FEDERALLY WAS RIGHT AROUND 50%. AND TODAY IT’S RIGHT AROUND 25%. THE, I’M WONDERING WHAT IS THE MINISTER’S VIEW OF THE PROPORTION OF THE PROVINCIAL BUDGET THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE PROVINCIAL HEALTH BUDGET THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BE SUPPORTING? The Chair: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF HEALTH >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, I THANK THE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. I THINK WHAT AGAIN NUMBERS ARE MAGICAL THINGS, MR. CHAIR. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE QUESTION THE MEMBERS REFERENCE A PROPORTION OF OUR HEALTH-CARE DELIVERY VERSUS THE PERCENTAGE THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE CANADA HEALTH TRANSFER FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND LOOKING AT IT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, WHAT THE MEMBER MAY GET LOST IN TALKING ABOUT THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS IS WHERE WE HAVE EXPANDED OUR HEALTH-CARE DELIVERY INTO AREAS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY EXPLICITLY PART OF THE CANADA HEALTH ACT. SO ONE MUST CONSIDER THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT I THINK OF OUR AGREEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE AND THE WORK WE DO AGAIN, I THINK WHAT WE SAW IN

THE CURRENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS RECOGNITION THAT SOME OF THE HEALTH-CARE NEEDS OF THE POPULATION GO BEYOND THOSE DEFINED ORIGINALLY IN THE CANADA HEALTH ACT. AND MADE AVAILABLE ADDITIONAL TARGETED FUNDING INTO NEW AIRS WHICH ALLOWS US TO BEGIN EX EXPAND THE SERVICES FASTER THAN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH PROVINCIAL FUNDING ALONE THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU IDENTIFY THE NEED AND THETHAT JUST BECAUSE YOU IDENTIFY THE NEED AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE THAT YOU CAN SOLVE ALL OF THOSE PROBLEMS BY JUST FLICKING A SWITCH. IT DOES REQUIRE TIME IT DOES REQUIRE INVESTMENT, IT DOES REQUIRE SOME CHANGES. THAT IS THE PATH THAT WE ARE ON. WE ARE MAKING THE INVESTMENTS. WE ARE MAKING INVESTMENTS EARLY, AGAIN, BACK TO THE FIRST SET OF QUESTIONS THAT THE MEMBER HAD BEEN INQUIRING ABOUT, MR. CHAIR THAT WAS FOUNDATIONAL IN THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH WE RECOGNIZE IN THE PROVINCE THAT MOST PARTICULARLY MORE SEVERE MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS DO PRESENT THEMSELVES FIRST IN ADOLESCENCE AND YOUNG ADULTS SO WE HAVE HEAVILY TARGETED OUR INVESTMENTS TOWARDS OUR YOUTH TO THE PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE AND PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE INTERVENTIONS AS WELL AS TOOLS AND SUPPORT THE YOUTH NEED SO THEY ARE GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY DESPITE PERHAPS HAVING MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES, EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE A HEALTHY AND PRODUCTIVE LIFE WHICH WE KNOW IS POSSIBLE PROVIDED THEY HAVE THE NECESSARY DIAGNOSIS AND SUPPORT SERVICES AROUND THEM. THAT’S WHY WE HAVE INVESTED HEAVILY IN A VARIETY OF SERVICES, AGAIN, PARTICULARLY TARGETED TO YOUTH. IT’S DONE AGAIN, NOT JUST IN THE DEPTH OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND NOT WITH YOUR PARTNERS WITH THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY AND THE IWK, BUT THE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE SUPPORTING US AND PROVIDING CARE LIKE IN CAPE BRETON WHICH SERVED AS THE MODEL THAT WE ROLLED OUT WE HAVE SEEN TEN OF THOUSANDS OF VISIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY — VISITS. THESE BENEFITS OF THESE EARLY INTER VIOLENCINGS AND SERVICES, WE WILL REALLY SEE AND REAP THE TRUE BENEFITS OF THOSE IN THE YEARS TO COME. SO, AGAIN, THAT ALL DOES TIE BACK TO THE MEMBER’S QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNDING AND THE SUPPORTS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AGAIN, I DO SAY WE WILL ALWAYS AS A PROVINCE CHAMPION MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO FUND THE PRIORITIES OF THE PROVINCE, HEALTH CARE IS CLEARLY ONE OF THEM. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. BUT WE WILL ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE GRATEFULLY THE SUPPORT THAT WE DO HAVE AND THE SHARED PRIORITIES AND THE INVESTMENTS IN THESE AREAS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING >> The Chair: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU. MAYBE I HAVE NOT ASKED THE QUESTION WITH ENOUGH FOCUS. DOES THE MINISTER NOT THINK THAT THE PROPORTIONAL OF PROVINCIAL HEALTH EXTENDURES PROVIDED BY THE GOVERNMENT TO NOVA SCOTIA, DOES THE MINISTER NOT THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE GREATER THAN AT PRESENT >> The Chair: MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AS I STARTED IN THE FIRST NOTE, NUMBERS BECOME A DIFFICULT THING. I COULD SAY YES TO THAT AND, MR. CHAIR, WOULD CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WITH NO ADDITIONAL

MONEY, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS NO PROVINCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS, THEIR CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE 100 PERCENT. SO SIMPLY STATING A PERCENTAGE IS NOT ALWAYS NECESSARILY THE BEST MECHANISM TO ESTABLISH OUR FUNDING. WE APPRECIATE THE FUNDING WE HAVE BUT WE RECOGNIZE AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY WE WILL CONTINUE TO CONVERSATION WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ENSURE WE PURSUE A FUNDING MODEL. WE THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO MORE WOULD WE APPRECIATE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? WOULD WE PUT THAT FUNDING THROUGH THE CANADIAN HEALTH TRANSFER TO GOOD USE IN OUR HEALTH SYSTEM? YES, WE CERTAINLY WOULD. WILL I DON’T HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH MY FEDERAL COUNTER PARTS CERTAINLY. THAT’S PART OF OUR ON GOING AND LIKELY PART OF THE CONVERSATION OF EVERY HEALTH MINISTER SINCE THE 1960s WHEN THE CANADA HEALTH ACT AND THE TRANSFERS WERE FIRST ESTABLISHED. I WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THE HEALTH TLIFY FROM OUR PARTNERS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL — DELIVERY. I BELIEVE AT THE ATLANTIC PREMIERS MEETING, THE ATLANTIC PREMIERS INCLUDING OURS HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA DID MAKE IT PUBLICALLY KNOWN THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGES IN THE CANADA HEALTH TRANSFER THAT WE DO BELIEVE AND, AGAIN, AS HEALTH MINISTERS, WE CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES BUT WE ARE IN THE SITUATION WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW WE AS A PROVINCE WILL MAXIMIZE THE FUNDING THAT WE GET FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT THE HEALTH CARE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS OF NOVA SCOTIA AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR FEDERAL COUNTER PARTS TO THE MAKE THE CASE FOR FUNDING THAT ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE HEALTH CARE NEEDS OF OUR POPULATION. WE ALL, MR. CHAIR, RECOGNIZE THAT WE DO HAVE SOME HIGH, ON A PER CAPITA BASIS, MANY OF THE FACTORS ARE HEALTH FACTORS THAT WE HAVE AND CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROVINCE. ON A PER CAPITA BASIS ARE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT. PART OF THAT IS DUE TO A MULTITUDE OF FACTORS, ONE IS OUR AGING DEMOGRAPHIC. DISPROPORTIONALLY IMPACTING THE ATLANTIC REGION WE WILL CONTINUE THAT ADVOCACY BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF THE FUNDING THAT WE DO GET CURRENTLY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THAT WHICH IS PROVINCE ALSO CONTRIBUTED >> The Chair: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX CHEBUCTO >> THANK YOU. THANKS TO THE MINISTER FOR HIS REFLECTIONS ON THAT VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, THE ADEQUACY OF THE FUNDING FORMULA WHICH IMPACTS SO MANY DIMENSIONS IN THE PROVINCE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SHIFT GEARS A LITTLE, THEN, FOR I GUESS A FIND QUESTION I’M THINKING ABOUT THE LAST EMERGENCY ROOM ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT THAT CAME OUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND HOW IT INDICATED AN UNSCALDED E RECOLLECTION CLOSURE THAT WAS THE GREATEST SINGLE ESCALATION SINCE THIS GOVERNMENT CAME TO POWER. I DEAL WITH THE PATTERN ESCALATING ANNUALLY UNSCHEDULED ER CLOSURES, I WANT TO ASK THE MINISTER HAS WE CONCLUDE THIS EVENING. IT HAD BEEN HIS VIEW IN THE PAST, THAT’S CANADA LATING OF EMERGENCY ROOM — ESCALATING PATTERN OF CLOSURES, IS IT STILL HIS VIEW THIS IS NOT SYSTEMIC OF A HEALTH CRISIS IN THE PROVINCE >> The Chair: HEALTH MINISTER >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MY REVIEW REMAINS THAT THE CHALLENGE WITH MAINTAINING AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT HOURS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING RELATES DIRECTLY THE AVAILABILITY OF THE APPROPRIATE HEALTH CARE STAFF TO PROVIDE THE SAFE OPERATION OF THOSE THE FACILITIES. THAT IS WHEN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES ARISE IS WHEN THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY ALERTS THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE WILL BE A CLOSURE FOR THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. THAT RELATES TO ONE OF OUR VERY KEY PRIORITY AREAS, THE EXPANSION OF TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR NURSES AS WELL AS PHYSICIANS, THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS NEEDED IN THIS PROVINCE TO SERVICE

PRIMARY CARE AS WELL AS EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER CARE THROUGH THE OUR HEALTH SYSTEM. WE RECOGNIZE THAT, MR CHAIR, AND WE ARE TALKING STEPS TO — TAKING STEPS TO IMPROVE THE AVAILABILITY OF — >> The Chair: TIME. THE TIME A LOTTED FOR CONSIDERATION FOR SUPPLY AND DEMAND ECLIPSED SORRY, I WAS GETTING A MESSAGE FOR MY BABY SITTER >> I MOVE THAT THE COMMITTEE RISE AND I DO REPORT PROGRESS AND BEG LEAVE TO SIT AGAIN >> The Chair: THE MOTION IS CARRIED. THE COMMITTEE WILL RISE AND REPORT ITS BUSINESS TO THE HOUSE >> The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE THE CHAIR ON THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE ON SUPPLY WILL NOW REPORT >> THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON SUPPLY HAS MET AND MADE PROGRESS AND BEGS LEAVE TO SIT AGAIN >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST BEFORE WE GO THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER, I HAVE ONE ORDER OF HOUSEKEEPING HERE. EARLIER TODAY DURING OPPOSITION DEBATE, THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR COLE HARBOUR EASTERN PASSAGE READ A QUOTE AND TABLED THAT EMAIL AND AS I HAD MENTIONED, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DISALLOW THE TABLING OF THE DOCUMENT AS THERE IS NO AUTHOR OF THE EMAIL PROVIDED. WE HAD REQUESTED THAT AND ALSO I DO WANT TO REMIND ALL MEMBERS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE NECESSITY TO IDENTIFY THE AUTHOR OF WRITTEN DOCUMENTS, IF YOU ARE GOING TO QUOTE ANYONE IN YOUR VERBAL COMMENTEDS, YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHO YOU ARE QUOTING. I DID RULE AS RECENTLY AS SEPTEMBER THE 12th, 2018, WHEN I SAID, QUOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE HONOURABLE MEMBERS IT’S AGAINST THE RULE TO FEELS CHAMBER TO READ AN EMAIL WITHOUT IDENTIFYING THE AUTHOR OF THE EMAIL. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY FROM WHOM THE QUOTE CAME. SO IF EVERYONE CAN CAME THAT IN MIND. WE WILL RETURN TO DOCUMENT TO THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR COLE HARBOUR EAST EARN PASSAGE. THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER >> THAT CONCLUDES THE GOVERNMENT BUSINESSES FOR TODAY. I MOVE THAT THE HOUSE RISE TO MEET TOMORROW BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 1 P.M. AND 11 P.M. FOLLOWING THE DAILY ROUTINE IN Q.P. BUSINESS WILL INCLUDE THE CONTINUATION OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE ON SUPPLY. AND WITH TIME PERMITTING, SECOND READING ON BILLS 220, 221, 223, 225, 226, 227, 228, AND 230 >> The Speaker: MOTION — OH MOTION THE FOR THE HOUSE THE RISE TO MEET AGAIN TOMORROW, FEBRUARY 27th, BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 1 P.M. AND 11:59 P.M.. ALL THOSE IN FAVOUR OF THE MOTION SAY I. MOTION THE CARRIED. THE HOUSE STANDS ADJOURNED UNTIL TOMORROW AT 1 P.M