A guide to plastic free school canteens

hello everybody we’re just about ready to get started here it’s almost 6:30 we’ve got quite a lot of people already logged on so we want to make sure that we start right away as we know we’ve got dinner time and a lot of things happening at home and work and other things so we really appreciate everybody logging in tonight and then we’ve had a really great response across the board from Kenting managers principals to PNC members to school parents so really thrilled with the response myself I’m Shireen from food nasties and plastic now C’s and the Northern Beaches Council and the waste team and the swap for good team are very excited that she decided to take interest in this webinar tonight and helping schools rid themselves of single-use plastic and waste in general and food waste so we’ll get started right now so just a little bit of an overview on the swap for good and the swap for good program was launched in June with the council the program provides information education resources cross promotion ideas for businesses to help give alternatives to single-use plastic so it’s a really great initiative from the Northern Beaches Council Alisha and Sasha from the SWAT for good team and the waste team are fantastic in initiating programs and giving soliciting advice and suggestions to local businesses as well as school canteens now a few reasons why we should swap for good I’m pretty sure a lot of you are aware of a lot of these problems that we have with landfill with litter polluting the ocean micro plastics that break down and become a massive problem toxic chemicals and sustainability and so this is um I want to see if you remember what the world war on waste the plastic footprint when do you remember how long it took Australian households households to generate that much plastic one minute and in one day the entire South Seine and manly norstein queenscliff beaches were covered in plastic in just one day so this is why it’s imperative that wherever we can help and start whether it’s big or small so using single-use plastics any way we can to protect the ocean and the planet so I want to be kind of honest with you guys and say that this is about single-use plastic and it is about recycling but really we want to reuse as much as possible so when I go to canteens and schools and discuss how to implement a program of eliminating single-use plastic it really starts with trying to reuse what they have or getting in products that are reusables recycling is actually the last route we’d like to go to obviously recycling is fantastic and we need to continue the education of it and we need to do it but the first are that we want to focus on is reusing and reducing so we want to reduce the amount of waste we create we want to use reuse containers reuse any materials when possible before we actually recycle now just quickly before I keep going we’re going to have a large Q&A obviously for an hour after this so while I’m going through please jot down any questions you have because I know there’s going to be a lot and I may miss it I may not develop the answer enough so please write it down and we’ll get to it as soon as we finish the slides okay so far as far as canteens are concerned first thing I like to say is your goals what are our goals are they short-term are they long-term so we got to define the goals gee want to the waste free plastic free single-use plastic free and what do you want to do obviously every school is gonna be different we’ve got different populations of schools from 200 kids to 700 K we have different volunteer initiatives and the amount of volunteers canteens might get our difference your goals will be different your budgets are going to be different some schools will have lots of money to spend those schools will not have any money to spend what is your PNC involvement and what is the school’s stance on the canteen eliminating single-use plastic so define your goals first and then from that we decide what support do you have so as I mentioned do you get volunteers is the principle behind the school which is the canteen which is very important do you have some parents that might want to be

part of the Green Team canteen committee we thought a look at what support do you have to make this work so again a school in P and C or PMF support your volunteers and as I mentioned do you want to be single-use plastic free do you want to be really completely waste free and have reusables do you want healthier food which kind of goes hand-in-hand with eliminating excessive packaging and excessive waste do you want to attempt to reduce food waste which is hugely important in canteens we generate lots of food waste the children generate lots of food waste which we know goes on to make lots of emissions and we need to develop some kind of system to help with the food waste then is it something that you would like to attain the ocean friendly certification which is a fantastic goal for any schools canteen to have which means you eliminate plastic such as plastic water bottles straws cutlery things you might have already done to this day and you can obtain a certification that makes the canteen feel proud the students the school and it’s recognized by the Surfrider Foundation and it’s kind of a nice goal to set the campaign sets of quick changes that I think are pretty easy and obviously I know some of you listening have already implemented some of these all of these may be only one of them what quick changes on plastic cutlery it just needs to go there’s obviously a solution of having reusable cutlery whether it’s titanium or if you already have Singla steel they’re also bamboo that those are obviously a better choice than having plastic plastic straws we all know now that you can get paper straws you can get bamboo straws you can have pasta as straws I mean that or most schools really don’t even need straws I find a lot of schools that I work at and the kids don’t even take a straw so there’s other ways of just completely getting rid of the item that’s such as straws or replacing it with a better sustainable option plastic cups this is a big one but most schools don’t use cups anyway but there’s opportunity to have reusable even if they are reusable plastic cups and you have them all ready for school programs using those and having them be returned to the campaign there’s rice husk us which are a natural products made from a natural fiber again having to be returned so there’s water bottles that will have a secure lids there’s stainless steel options which are fantastic so there’s quite a few options for plastic cups I know a concern we have is for the slushie machine in the case of schools that still have slushie machines my suggestion would be he would have to go to reusable cups again a solution is the melamine cups even a cheaper option would be polypropylene which is a high-density plastic cup with chousen no bpa no BPS you know they can be purchased at eBay IKEA for literally about 30 cents a cup again with that program you will have to get a reusable thin so they get put into bins or the children will have to bring them back to the canteen but again that is an easy switch you just have to have the have all your I guess implementation in order of how the we’ll get back to the campaign which we can touch on later because that is a tricky one and everybody needs to be on board with reusables so soy sauce cashews easy get rid of them a way to fix that is either to have soy sauce available at the canteen counters which a lot of schools already do send reusable sushi soy sauce bottles to the classrooms in their baskets if you have that type of school that has baskets with all the food putting the soy sauce in that but a majority of schools that I’ve spoken to a lot of them don’t even use soy sauce it is available as I mentioned in the counter and reusable bottles but it is not something that some has become an issue kids actually just eat their sushi and the fishes aren’t really needed anymore and they are one of the number-one pollutants of in the ocean and beaches so it is very important to eliminate the soy sauce and all you need to do is tell your sushi provider that you don’t want them anymore it was very simple so that’s that the next one is the squeeze any sauces and it’s the similar concept that you know a lot of schools have the barbeque or the ketchup in those small little plastic containers again getting rid of those is a fantastic solution to help with the single-use plastic and supplying reusable tomato sauce or BBQ bottles at

the canteen window for the kids to use if they were so choose or to send it to classrooms like the soy sauce but again I think you will find in all my studies with other schools the kids actually don’t use it very much I do believe it’s different in high school but if you leave it available at the counter you wash them out every few weeks keep them clean at the end of each term they get cleaned out and refilled it’s a very simple solution to rid yourself of that ongoing cost of constantly buying the squeezed needs as well it’s very cost effective to buy the large container of tomato sauce or barbecue and to refill maybe the five that you have sitting at the counter or if you buy 20 to go to all the classrooms but you can it’s a one-time investment as opposed to a non-korean cost with the squeeze knees so again a very easy change for cling film which is often used in several canteens and rapidly and a lot of them for everything it’s I think a lot of people would know now that you can use beeswax it is a fantastic cover to anything except for raw meat as well as silicon wraps you can find them anywhere nowadays online or any of your good you know reusable stores flora and fauna bio me so all of those cling film I all the canteens that which I’ve changed over and nobody uses cling film anymore it’s just not a necessity and it is an incredible pollutants and it doesn’t break down so the easy switch for clean film is based on silicon covers that you can reuse and reuse and reuse or wraps and again it is an investment you buy them they I think you know the ones that I’ve had I’ve been lasting over two years obviously you’re gonna have some breakage but silicon is a natural fiber that will break down as opposed to plastic so it is better for the environment with no toxins so it is a better choice so that’s what I would suggest for cleaning film baking paper another common item that needs to be used when you’re baking in a canteen but again I believe that a lot of you would know now that you can use a silicone baking mat purchase those at any good cooking store online and they again are an investment you use them over and over and over again that’s a very easy fix for baking paper sushi without plastic I know I had a lot of people already email in about that the sushi without plastic and I’ll go deeper into the sushi later about ordering that from your local sushi provider which is very simple a sushi can be wrapped in beeswax wrap it can also be put into paper bags which can be obviously recycled in your cardboard paper so there’s two options for sushi it’s a I know people are afraid of removing the plastic and the extra work becoming time-consuming but I am gonna be honest with you for canting to become sustainable sustainable more eco-friendly reducing rice it does come with an extra effort but if the rewards are far better when you reduce the waste you will see how much less waste is coming over that campaign and going into your bins if you reduce the plastic so these wax wrap which is a great fix for that and small paper bags you know like the lowly bag size pop it in there a little bit bigger if you’ve got more and easily recyclable because there’s no waste on them from sushi there’s they’re not it’s full of say like spaghetti sauce or tomato sauce where it can’t it’s hard to beat recycles so paper bags you know paper bags there’s good and bad with them obviously it is waste and this is what we’re trying to eliminate even though it can be recycled we’re trying to dial back the recycling so a reusable bag is best so there’s I think a lot of people are familiar with sticky beaks they have a reusable lunch bag that a lot of schools already Hughes I developed a paper craft bag that is biodegradable bag that can be used as well so there’s other options and using the paper bags which is a reusable bag and it is a quick fix that will save you thousands of dollars and save thousands of pieces of paper that are going to go into the recycler so reusable bags are the first thing if you’ve got the budget to change you come back you clean them they obviously are delivered back to the campaign and we can touch on that a little bit later I just wanted to give everyone a quick snapshot of quick changes that you can do and whether you do one or two or five or you do all of these over a certain amount of time or right away that’s completely up to you and how far you want to take the canteen and so one more is your plastic food containers which is obviously the huge thing I’ll go into a little bit more of that later obviously using reusable

containers it is a bit tricky in a can’t saying you want to try to tick all the boxes at a canteen needs which is can they be microwaves can they be put in the oven or a pie warmer can they be put in the freezer you want to stop some food in the freezer and can they be put in the dishwasher so the answer to that is there are polypropylene containers which is again the plastic say like a sistema that I wouldn’t recommend because it’s plastic it can take some of those boxes for heating food and keeping warm food in any plastic is not a good idea there are stainless steel containers which are fantastic but again they cannot go into the oven you do not want to burn a child on accident so there’s a few things that are pros and cons with stainless steel obviously for salads yogurt and fruit certain items are great salads sandwiches in stainless steel that’s a great option there’s another product made out of rice husk that is fantastic it does tick all the boxes as far as what a canteen needs and it can be composted naturally if something was to happen to the container and I can touch on more of that later or if you have questions about the rice husk let me know and it is a natural product product that doesn’t contain any bpa any mel of mine any BBS any microplastics so we can talk about that later and then the last thing for a quick change is plastic labels the stickers that we all put in on the bags now if you use a reusable bag for example like this one that has a window you can print it onto paper because unfortunately the sticker that a lot of people use say from plexi schools it cannot be recycled the top of it so printing it guillotine eing it and putting it on paper and into the window is a fantastic way to save on the plastic label waste another one is this other bag that I mentioned there’s a window back here so again plastic labels I know that’s not an easy fix for some people but again down the line maybe when you get the reasonable bags it’s something that you can switch to okay so a little bit more in depth about swapping this for that and I I’ve already set all this cling film this just gives you a visual to look at aluminum foil which is another item that contains centuries a lot of which is an unnecessary waste and difficult to be recycled and as some schools may not even have recycling that I’m looking to tonight you may not even have a commingling pickup at your school so which means everything that I’ve mentioned is going into landfill you may not have a soft plastics as well so again all of that stuff that can be recycled in its own separate bin if you do not have a recycling program at your school it’s actually all going to landfill so I think we touched on most of that I think only thing I wanted to mention was the purchasing of non recyclable products that’s the next step for canteens that want to be waste free as possible is eliminating purchasing products that come in packaging like confectionaries like chips and smoothly bars and other items like that it’s actually looking for items that might be recyclable if that’s the one if that’s where you’re at but preferably purchasing items in bulk and then putting them into reusables like cups for example maybe like a cup like this would have pretzels in it or both crisps if you had crisps at your school or fruit salad that was sold over the counter maybe even a scoop of gelato I know Phil goalie uses wonderful little silicon cups for all of their gelato which come back to them wheeler Heights uses egg cups made of silicon that has their gelato come back to them now I want to be very clear I know not everybody is going to have a canteen that can do everything right away so this is just an overview of what you can do like I said immediately or slowly down the line but for a lot of the food that you purchase you need to look at when you purchase it can that be recycled or can I find that in a bulk item and put it in a reusable or actually not keeping waste over-the-counter so those are huge things so eliminating waste is obviously where we’re tracking on this okay just another image to show you and two little tips is bloomerang bags a lot of people have a boomerang bag chapter when you pick up your bread from the bakery giving them the boomerang bags so you’re eliminating

bringing plastic bags back into the canteen these are just other things above and beyond servicing the food that you can do when you order Coles and Woolies asking them for no plastic bags when you’re ordering your fruit and vege asking your fruit provider do not put your 1 zucchini in a plastic bag those are little things that the canteen manager and supervisors can actually do to eliminate waste within the canteen so I just wanted to share that with you these are some more images about how to use reusables so these are icy pole holders so these are actually ones that we other hikes uses that they’ve had for about 4 years so yes they are plastic this is long before we implemented that but then again this is a reusable plastic these are homemade icy poles with obviously a wooden stick that can be recycled in the compost or the cardboard in paper recycling that is an idea there’s also stainless steel aisi pole holders which can be bought on ebay amazon anywhere which is obviously a little bit more eco-friendly without it being plastic however if you’ve already have these things this is a great way to keep to not bring in any icy pole waste because a lot of icy poles and canteens come with packaging that’s that can’t be recycled period or it’s a soft plastic and a stick and if you don’t have a soft plastic bin it’s not going anywhere but landfill so to purchase frozen treats for the children the best is for them not to have any packaging again I think I mentioned gelato going into the silicon cups in the photo maybe even an ethnic comb if schools wanted to do that obviously there’s no waste in that that’s just an image of a small I think fruit salad that serves at a school in a reusable cup so like a cupcake liner okay so as far as sushi Anna this is a massive concern for a lot of schools because sushi is a can be a really good revenue source and obviously it’s healthy but the problem is it does have a lot of plastic and it’s not just the handles it’s the bento boxes its Ruggieri which I know some schools sell so the first thing you can do is ask your sushi provider to provide them naked which means without the plastic and you can either as I mentioned when you get them you wrap them in the beeswax wraps which have to be just a touch on that when you’re done with them and they do come back to the campaign they will be needs to be sanitized in the floor water and your sanitizer and then you hang them to dry and that’s how you protect them they will need to be reduced every six to eight months depending on the frequency of use and their look and feel the other option if the beeswax racks is out of your deck at the moment is to use the paper bags that I mentioned which a lot of people use for everything but that’s a great function but can we know that can be recycled so as far as the bento boxes and the small portions and the baby via the baby bent toes this is a little bit more tricky excuse me ideally I would love everyone to have reusables which can be done and can be given to your sushi provider and they can swap it in and out however a lot of the sushi a lot of the schools and the northern beaches which is obviously what we’re focused on and in the sense that the provider sees a lot of these schools and he has now with the pressure that we’ve put on him to stop using the single-use plastic containers he’s now creating cardboard box so he’ll have small bento boxes cardboard boxes that sushi will go into so he’s not your sushi provider it is something you can ask from the sushi shop that you might get your sushi from again putting them getting them in a container and putting them in a reusable is the dream however it’s obviously not gonna be right for everybody at the moment and maybe not for a while but again with cardboard being unknown material that we can recycle I would suggest putting on the pressure for that to get that or to get a container within the canteen to put your baby Mentos or not to serve them and to offer more options of the handles so again it’s how far you want to take it and where you want to stand on your canteens I guess stance on sustainability and so I guess it’s an individual thing but we’d like to see eliminating at least the plastic around the handrails and trying the paper bag and then hopefully

down the line doing the beeswax wraps to eliminate the waste of the paper I know there’ll be more questions on that one but that’s a big one so I just wanted to touch on that and that’s what schools that are becoming waste free or single-use plastic free that is what they’re doing just some more images of how schools might eliminate the plastic cups so obviously there’s two choice there’s some water bottles there the blue one was used by wheeler Heights which was a five dollar bottle from Target that was actually used to replace plus water in plastic plastic water bottles which was a quite a while ago and at that time it was an option for kids to borrow not purchase the water but I would say now after a year and a half it’s no longer allowed not allowed what we don’t borrow it anymore it’s taken off the menu online kids are responsible as we all know to bring their own water bottle there’s bubblers some schools even have water filling stations so there’s no reason why any schools should be selling plastic water bottles now I know that there’s money in that and that’s a good revenue stream but again this is where you need to decide where you want to be and where you want to stand as far as being single-use plastic for you that is the easiest thing to get rid of first is plastic water bottles I just don’t need them so you know and maybe replacing it with another revenue source whatever that might be if you feel like that’s gonna lose the canteen money it’s time to be creative and come up with some other ideas outside of plastic water bottles that the canteen can implement to offset that loss if they feel that that’s gonna be such a great loss but a lot of schools I know that that actually still haven’t don’t actually sell a lot of water bottles it’s an afterthought where kids get to school and realize they’d forgotten their water model and you might sell a few I assure their schools that sell tons of them but that is the perfect opportunity to stop selling them and to implement either a water bottle borrowing system which need to be returned to the campaign or even if you’d like to charge people for that so if you’d like to charge a child two dollars to borrow that which is what you might sell the water model for then that’s totally something they can’t your canteen can discuss and if they have no problem with that and think that that’s a good thing to do I think that’s a fantastic way to offset the use of the single-use plastic bottles and remember that once you buy the water bottles the same less steel preferably you know that’s an investment you will have them for a long time you will keep them anything criss-crossed that they get returned and we’ll talk about how to help initiate the return of your reusables but that is one thing that really should be the first thing that canteens need to get rid of is now there’s obviously heat cup in the middle again that’s perfect for smoothies that’s perfect for juices it depends on how you distribute them obviously it all depends every school is gonna be different some schools so 50 some school sell ten so it’s whether or not you have the money I think those are from Kmart or target two dollars a KeepCup again a very small investment to reduce waste again which you’ll have over and over and over again you can put labels on them that says please return to the canteen you can number them you can allocate them to students so you know which student has taken you know which keep up is it number one 350 there’s other things you can do if you’d like to keep the more structure on where they’re going and who has them as far as getting them back to the canteen or to a bin that might be on the school property and then up at the top is really nice leak-proof dual hall like it’s hot cold that fill goal the plateau purchase again a little bit more expensive so this kind of gives you an overview a look at what might be five dollars the one on the left and then the bill of goal the one which was a little bit more than that but they’ve got their logo on it it’s beautiful they get returned to the canteen if they get taken home by mistake parents know it belongs to the school because it has their logo on it so that was a fantastic option for their juices I and their hot chocolates I think at wintertime and I think they sell ice they have iced teas so that’s those images for you again the picture of the container the bento box is the rice husk made from rice hulls that I was talking about that’s like a bento box that would have anything in it for it hot or cold um the bag is a craft compostable

washable eco-friendly bag that is lined that is an option for a reusable bag those are something that I’ve created with sake and make quite a long time to find something that is that will suit canteens needs and become be as eco-friendly and sustainable as possible so those are just an option of that and we can talk more about that or you can email me about any of these things later and to discuss them further but I know some people won’t be looking at this stuff now and some people will I also want to mention a really great reusable option which I have to say do use out neither heights occasionally as I know every canteen every school excuse me has a lost-and-found so we might have in that Boston found bin at the end of two months 30 40 containers all all different sizes and shapes and we will try to get them back to the kids and if they don’t get back they some of them are given to the canteen that we feel we could use their sanitized obviously and we might use them for fruit salads for putting a bit of something cooking in our pudding banana bread in without having to actually purchase that item we’ve actually reused it yes it’s plastic we haven’t purchased it but the idea behind the canteen sustainability programs that I implement are reusing or either what you have what you can find locally before we try to get something in that we have to recycle so another great way is you for those containers to not go to landfill is to actually reuse them for food that you might be serving over the counter to the kids when you’re implementing a reusable program okay so this slide is really just to talk about because what we’ve talked about now is that the canteen can do as far as changes and how we can implement some of those we can’t do any of that if we don’t have a bin system on the school property now I know a lot of schools now especially and then all the beaches have a similar bin systems to the ones who set up at wheeler heights a couple years ago and other schools schools like they’ll go the plateau where we implemented implemented a waste-free program they actually have no bins on their property which is absolutely fantastic and I’ll talk a bit more and show you some images of that but we need to discuss how you as a school can get a bin system going if you don’t have one what bins you’re going to need and kind of show you what they look like now the images I’m going to show you they don’t have to look like this you can buy your bins from Bunnings front you can borrow them they could still be on your at the school and in a shed and you can put signage on them they do not have to be new they can be anything to help facilitate the canteens program which has to go with the schools being slashed compost recycling program or whatever you currently have or what you’re going to need to implement so for you bidding systems ideally you need a yellow bin which a lot of us have at home now I know that a lot of schools do not have a commingling bin system that is picked up it is possible it is very inexpensive I think fortnightly you can get your commingling picked up for at a school just like we can at home it’ll cost to school $18 to fortnight another company might be $28 a fortnight but if you’re going to be recycling which again is our last hope in eliminating plastic but I understand we have to start somewhere you will need a yellow bin now that will take care of your drinks your cans your plastics if you still have them like your Emma and tongs your nudie juices which are tetra packs which can be recycled and Vera mine all of them can be returned and earned as well which can be another bin if you wanted to implement a return and earn program which is fantastic there’s several companies like Rockdale that will come out and pick up your veins they give you bins and they will pick up your bins and they will deposit a hundred percent of that money into the canteen account or the PNC account so returning in our name is a fantastic way to offset the recycling of those cans and bottles and stuff that will go into a yellow there’s some icy holes that can go frozen snacks that can go into the commingling and some so–that’s you’ll need that so then you’ll need a soft plastic things that’s mostly for the children that will be bringing their soft classics from home I

encourage every canteen to eliminate also plastics most of schools that I work at that we obviously transform the plastic side we also transform the many sides to help with the plastics and help eliminate waste is by obviously not purchasing products as I mentioned earlier that are wasteful so Chris cookies muesli small snacks yogurts yogurts with a twist but kids will bring those from home so the school needs to help as well to have these things available for the children to be learning how to recycle their stuff properly whether it’s from the canteen or from home so you have a soft plastics bin composting which is ideal so I know some schools don’t have a compost system even if you can just get one barrel it’s fantastic for all the waste from the canteen and from the waste from the children’s lunches that they can put in there and the waste from the canteen food that’s coming out that they can actually put into the compost bin and learn what to put in there and I’ll show you some examples of that in a minute so composting really goes hand in hand with the canteen program with the commingling returned in RNA as a bonus if we can do that that’s there and obviously if you have a worm farm that’s just apology as I can say compost is in there twice the worm farm is another great option in addition to the compost or instead of if you do not have room for compost I know st. Cecilia’s doesn’t have room in bag ala they don’t have room for a compost they have these amazing worm farms that are cylinders that have been put on the school grounds because they’re a very small school and all the compost that can go in a worm farm goes in there from the canteen so it’s absolutely fantastic so there’s always opportunities for everybody and you just got to figure out which one is going to best fit your school and how everything’s gonna get to these areas which I’ll touch on in a moment and then the last one is the canteen reusable beam which is if you’re going to implement reusables you will need to either designate the reusables to come back to the canteen window or to go to bins on the school grounds that will be brought back to the campaign that will obviously need to be cleaned daily so there’s two options for that but in order to do it anything reasonable even if it’s only the cutlery or if it’s only going to be cups in the beginning you have to decide how you’re gonna implement that in ideally for me bringing everything back to the canteen is fantastic and bins are great but I’m a belief that the less less than the bins on the property the better the less option for the kids to throw things into the wrong bins and obviously it is obviously a baby steps in the beginning things are going to go missing things are going to be found in the old hole things are gonna be found in the bush it’s education education education and that’s where it’s important for the school principal to be on board the P and C to be on board but teachers to be on board and other students to help facilitate how this is all going to work so here’s some images of school bins now this is just one example as I mentioned they can be anything there’s a soft plastic you’re commingling you’re organics so compost your landfill which in this case is a see-through bin which was done on purpose so the children and everybody can see exactly what was going in there and how much waste was being accumulated and also how meant how much stuff was being thrown in the landfill that didn’t belong in the landfill that actually could be put into the other bins provided and then there’s a paper bin to the right a simple small square bin that a lot of classrooms use and that’s for paper cardboard there in mind at this particular school paper and cardboard can go into the organics so that’s kind of why the paper is so small it is kind of shared between both so as not to overload the organics bin with too much paper but it can be shredded and put in there and broken down pretty paper cannot and you can see that the images on the bins kind of show you exactly and it shows the children what can and cannot go in there so this is a really good way for the kids to understand you know what they should be putting in there and what they shouldn’t be putting in there so obviously you can see in this photo how small the landfill is that is after two days of school there’s hardly anything in that landfill and that’s because one the canteen gives very little waste over the counter and

they have a reusable program and also the students with their waste from home their chips or yogurt all those things I mentioned that we talked about the clean film there’s Ziploc all the stuff they still bring from home now can go into the designated recycling bins where we know it will be taken and recycled I’ve just done a separate image of the reusable so this is a sample of a canteen reusable ban and again like the other bands it kind of explains what what goes in there I think this has changed over time but water bottles meaning the stainless steel water bottles keep cups all containers put salt containers that everything goes into at that school comes back there are titanium sporks there that was the reusable cutlery and then the bags are reusable that are brought back and rinsed out if dirty otherwise students shaking out and cleaned so that is an example but again I want to be very clear it doesn’t have to be a big plastic expensive thing it can be anything that might be laying around that’s correctly labeled and identified may be painted so the colors there that reflects what the reusable colors should go to the green for the compost the red for the landfill all of those I know many schools that I see images from you know it’s very it’s really simple you don’t have to be extravagant with the bins so I just wanted to show you this is an image from bill Golda Plateau so they again are a waste-free school so they’re canteen does not sell anything over the counter that it’s packaged in a any waste that comes in any packaging they have no icy poles that have any packaging even the sticks that you would have saw in the other slide they do not even have that so this school has no bins over the counter around the school sorry and this is how they set up in the in the beginning so again really simple containers were going kids came up with their containers in their material at the time was material be beeswax now food they scrape their scraps in there that would take to compost and then their bags which would shake out into the food waste and their bags that would be put in there now so once these were full it wouldn’t the canteen would just take them straight into their dishwasher and clean them as the lunch was going on so you know halfway through maybe it has they’ll start with the cleaning so they could get it done in order to leave on time and then here’s another slide of what they moved to so this was yellow beans that they already had I think in a cupboard somewhere and I wanted to show you the messy photo because that’s actually how it looks and so kids again that would come and put their bags in the slot material in a slot their containers in a slot which were for them or reusable Systema containers with their logo on them and then everything else in another bin there’s bags in the bottom there’s a plastic side being that all the food was straight into so this is just practice and practice with the kids occasionally we’d find you know some cutlery around the grounds kids would pick that up bring it back so yes so this is another way of looking at it of how it might come back to the canteen and it’s whatever would suit the school that you’re in if you wanted to go this far again this is they obviously did it straight away took a couple months you know the principles very hands-on there so the canteen managers were very eager and their P&C members were very supportive so again you need all these things to kind of facilitate it if I go back to actually this school in order to make their program work they have a sustainability Leadership Program so what that means is they have 50 to 60 children that were elected or put their hands up to be in a Leadership Program simpler some similar to SLC and either on a roster and it might be these four kids this day those four kids for recess and for lunch and they’re on a roster for the term and their job is to help man the bins to return the bins to the compost to put the recycling into a larger recycling bin to be picked up to take us off plastics and take them to the teacher that’s that sphere heads this sustainability program they have parent volunteers that take this as the soft plastics Monday through Thursday the canteen takes the soft plastics on Friday to your red cycle centers so like Coles and Woolies if that’s something you wanted to implement the reusables would come back to the canteen and the kids the children in the program help unload the bin so check the rubbish out take the paper label out take this fork

out shake them out if the dirty obviously the canteen team will sort that out but help empty the veins that is part of their program that is how this reusable program works for them the landfill is taken by the maintenance the groundskeeper he does that and the paper is recycled in this school by year five so there’s live there’s a program that works for this school which can be implemented in any school but you obviously need to have help from the school to allow for whether it’s some the classroom roster they might assist with sustainability in the canteen or it might be a sustainability leadership program where it’s actual children are part of this program so I know other schools will do year three we’ll do term two all year four will do term five and they do exactly the same thing they manage the bins during recess and lunch and implement it that way and assist the campaign and assist the school really because this is a school’s program as well as the canteens program you cannot do the canteen cannot function without the school assisting them with the program I’ll just go on to that so as far as canteen operation which I’m very familiar with so time management is key so implementing this program you need to know obviously how you gonna manage you are you gonna fit it in those six hours or five and a half or whatever your allocated as a manager at your school how it’s gonna work and that might determine your steps so that might determine your baby steps steps with your reusable program with switching to more homemade food to eliminate it’s bringing in waste with cleaning of the dishes which is obviously going to take some more time so time management is key you’ll need the principal and the teachers support of the canteen and the PNC of this process 100% hands down you cannot do it without the school on board and student the sustainability program I just touched on that if you can initiate that it is a fantastic system support system for the canteen and for the compost which obviously doesn’t belong to the cans name for the soft plastics and the commingling which belongs to everybody so the leadership program or the classroom sustainability program is for the entire school so it’s not just a canteen program as I mentioned so you need all these other programs to help facilitate everything so how is your canteen volunteer program you know most schools that I work at that I over the last seven years it’s not that good so how are you going to get more volunteers you get more just be cut because you’re now more eco-friendly and dangle some pants really appreciate that and you’ll find he will get more volunteers because of because of that or will you not do you need to get a new online signup roster system do you need more classrooms involved where you actually allocate classrooms should be part of term one and this week and turn to that week and designate classrooms you will need help from your canteen subcommittee to help make sure you have help in the canteen too especially when the program is just beginning especially when you’re deciding what you want to do but that’s really when the reusable program kicks off as far as eliminating straws and cutlery and single and plastic bottles that’s that’s a no-brainer that’s not gonna take you any more time eliminating soy sauce fish’s eliminating squeezed means that’s not going to take you more time so it’s the big stuff that’s gonna take you more time and it’s when you’re eliminating the food and packaging that’s when you’re gonna need help but in the beginning the implementation of the single-use plastic is enough it’s not going to be volunteers are not gonna be needed for that and then the parent green team a lot of schools have green teams and it’s you know obviously encouraging them to help you more when you need to help cleaning bags help doing you know just more time in the canteen so another question I was asked is how do we purchase the products and I guess I first thing I ask is do you need that item you know crisps are a big question you really need to sell crisps at school yes I realize they’re a moneymaker I guess you need to decide where you’re going to draw the line about what you’re gonna sell and a is it nutritious and does it come in packaging if can i buy that in bulk can we put crisps in here if it’s a necessity or can I swap it out for something that might be a little bit healthier or can I take it away all together and yeah maybe make something from scratch that is obviously going to be healthier because most things are if you be looking at your nutrition and it’s gonna be more cost effective because it’s homemade anything any time you must make something from scratch

it’s gonna be more cost effective buying anything bulk okay so then again obviously I’ve mentioned it limit your products and packaging just define them like everyone asks me how do you do it justifying them do you need nine of phrasing treats at a school campaign do you I mean you know again this goes back to nutrition and what’s really needed and maybe just dialing it and half of it and seeing them what exactly you need instead of buying maybe the icy pole with the wrapper and the stick making the homemade icicles make a you know with the cardboard stick in a reusable container you’re gonna make a lot more money and it’s more cost it’s more cost effective and it’s better for the environment and you can also obviously make it more nutritious you can add free you can take away a lot of the juice and add water there’s all this tricks you can do that are actually going to take a lot of boxes um a lot of questions I get about is how are we gonna wash all this three visible stop if we go down that route so I think there was a little bit of misunderstanding and communication from maybe the Food Standards Board council about commercial dishwashers so it was my understanding for a while that it was a necessity to have reusable items in the campaign you had to have a commercial dishwasher so exciting news is you don’t so yeah the bonus is with the commercial dishwasher is you know they are being sanitized at that high degree of heat with the sanitary sanitizer in there it is also a key with time management if you’ve got 700 kids out of school and you’re doing reusables and you’re gonna wash them in 90 seconds to a minute or two minutes that is key to a reusable program so a canteen manager isn’t there till five o’clock at night washing dishes okay so that is the massive bonus with a commercial dishwasher however if that is not in your budget because they are anywhere from 3,000 to 5,000 dollars which is a massive expense you can have a double bowl sink so a lot of canteens have two sinks so you’ll have one for washing one for sanitizing it can be used for reusables which is fantastic news I just want to make it very clear this is Northern Beaches Council but that is a health and food and safety standard for all of Australia that you can have a double sink but you must be able to show council when they come in that you know how to use it properly so that’s how much water the heat the sanitizer the type of sanitizer the dishwashing liquid and how you wash your containers so again having a course will do the dishwasher takes all that stress out of it but if you can’t afford it a double sink is is doable and fine but us you also must have a hand sink so you cannot be watching your hands in the same sink that you’re sanitizing in so I know a lot of canteens do have a smaller hand sink but if you don’t that’s what you’re gonna need to have I just put under there for the commercial dishwasher which you know as far as me being a canteen manager it’s fantastic to have when you’re washing did you need the time you need to do it quickly don’t want to be there all day so look for a used one look like Gray’s online look for second hand maybe a parents a builder at school I know another school just got one off a parent that’s a builder and that’s why I wrote that that found one on the property you know ask around look for school funding most canteens are PNC funded that does sound like a good school cost to me so maybe negotiate with the school principal that if that’s gonna be implemented into the program in order for it to work you’re gonna need some help to purchase a commercial dishwasher now if you can’t at this time you know start with a double sink and then do some funding and see how you go so and also don’t forget to recycle with from the canteen you need to have compost in the canteen you need to be doing your yellow commingling within the canteen because clearly there’s not there’s products that you bring in that your cheese’s you know your milk your juices other things that you might have in bulk that you’re going to need to recycle yourself so you’re gonna have to make sure that in the campaign you do your own recycling so you’ve got your chicken food if you have chickens you’ve got your compost if you have compost your yellow bin and that you’re recycling all your paper and cardboard so just make sure you’ve got that set up with eating the canteen as well as around the school so I know this is a lot of information so we’re getting near the ends so I just wanted to give you some ideas cuz I know the biggest question is how can how can we afford this now again it comes back to how much do you want to do baby steps set yourself your goals you know what’s

going to cost you where your budget is remember this in the investment this will eliminate reoccurring cost the takeaway containers you order every month the cutlery order every every month or every two weeks or however you do your purchasing with the reusable program it is an investment all the paper bags that you’re ordering all the time you know that you’re sending out with the kids and that are maybe getting recycled maybe not having reusable bags all the reusables are an investment so you’ve got to remember that when you’re trying to find get funding from the PNC or get funding from the school this is an investment in the in the school in the planet you know so it’s not an entry occurring cost that you’re currently getting so help from your school obviously just mentioned that help from your PMF or your pain see fundraising opportunities a lot of campaigns don’t see fundraising I work in a lot of them that do you know some sell the entertainment will help offset their sustainability program some do tea towels some do cookbooks the goal the plateau did a fantastic cook book a while ago you know maybe it’s recipes that you get from school parents but all the money you put it together with your subcommittee and all that money comes back to help purchase that commercial dishwasher maybe you have a dad stay either Mike this a fantastic dads day where on one day you know they’ll make enough money to purchase you know reusable bags that they purchase a year ago it kind of offset that cost grandparents say let’s get the grandparents involved there’s lots of grandpa you know I know we’re always looking for help in the canteen this is a perfect way get them in it to bake to try to start making some homemade items that you’re now gonna implement because you’re not gonna buy the muesli bars that come in packaging which are full of you know sugar and artificial colors and flavors or you know lollies or whatever you might have but have them come in and support the school and get involved there’s several other out-of-the-box ideas that you can think of but this is what canteens I think are becoming and PNC’s are realizing it your subcommittees are going to be you’re gonna need them more than ever to help with the fundraising there’s also I know some schools have been looking at their before and after school program so some schools own them their own age some do not but asking them for a donation I know one school just got a nice donation they wanted to help with the sustainability program a lot of their after-school care programs have a lot of money and they want to donate it to something that’s important to them and why not the program that’s the thing the school that they’re in so that’s just an idea these are just ideas they might fit your school and they may not France there’s loads of grants out there you just have to look there’s a nude food grant that’s going all the time there’s a brand new New South Wales government grant which is a fifteen thousand dollar sustainability grant that’s just been launched there’s all little tiny ones there’s a fantastic Facebook page for sustainability neat schools New South Wales she always has grants available information available it might be 2,000 it might be 15,000 you know get if you need help with that maybe put it out there in the school newsletter get a parent that’s familiar with grants there’s information on the northern beaches council website there’s classes you can take on how to write grants so there’s other things I know it seems like a lot but these are ways that you can help offset the costs that you might incur to implement this program so we went through this already so that’s just the basics of you know the little things that you might need to get started so I won’t really go on with that I just wanted to touch on your current menu because we did touch on that it kind of goes hand-in-hand with the sustainability program is healthy food because eliminating waste you eliminate fine packaged and processed food so I just wanted to remind everyone the assessments coming soon in December consider what you’re buying consider what they’re coming in consider what the ingredients is and don’t forget that’s due in December and try not to when you look if you can’t could be completely waste free have a look at what you’re purchasing and please make sure it’s recyclable a lot of products you look at it and you think it might be it’s not called the supplier and if they do not know call the manufacturer of the product it’s very easy to do to find out if your what you’re selling is recyclable I was just a sample menu if anyone wants to see it I just wanted to show you some food that is actually made and sold in a completely reusable canteen that it is easy to do that things are recyclable that are on this menu or the returned and earned all the food that served and that daily specials are in reusable containers all the recess and over the counter all homemade conserves in either cups or silicon or paper bags or weaves everything’s reusable all the frozen items are made on a school property or in reusables so she’s a snapshot if anyone wants to see

that at a greater length I’m happy to send it to you privately so this is just a snapshot about what food nasties and plastic nasties wheat what I do when I come into a school into a campaign and assist and how to make the program implement the program from either a couple items to a full-scale waste free overhaul so it’s a C or it’s as little as you want but I’ll leave that there for you to have a look at but I know we’re nearly at seven thirty and I’m pretty sure there’s lots of questions so I might just go over to the Q&A now and get started alright so water bottles are okay there’s a question from men and she’s asking about water bottles are refillable interpreted it I’m not quite sure 100% or what she means but when I’m talking about the same as steel water bottles we want to eliminate single-use plastic replace them with that if your school does not feel comfortable with replacing with losing the cost of the plastic bottles then you can charge a fee for them online the same same fee and they can refill them at the bubbler down the line which I did mention now they’re just far out at some schools but actually they’re not even borrowed anymore because kids bring their own so yes so the water bottles we want to get rid of single-use plastic and we went to initiate with stainless steel water bottles if you feel that your canteen needs to keep offering water as a revenue source or just to your kids but I think the children nowadays should know to bring their own water bottle so let’s go on what is this okay so the question from Kathy what does that school used to collect the soft plastics in okay so that school uses a I’m not sure of the brand to be honest I can probably find out for you it is a compostable bag and they buy that online if I can email you later and then so they put that in that and then when they take it to Moody’s and Kohl’s they empty it into that a lot of times they keep the back a lot of times sometimes depends on the parent the volunteer that’s doing it don’t put the compostable bag in there now again let’s be cute later about compostable stuff it’s only gonna be composted if you’ve got a the correct composter and as well as biodegradable we got to be careful when we’re biodegrading micro plastics like a plastic it’s still gonna break down into plastic tiny bits so neither are the answer I would suggest with soft plastics is when you take it to pulls or will leave it’s just literally which is what we do on Friday at the canteen is emptying the plastic bag the contents came to the red cycle of the bin which is acts grocery stores so we’re actually taking it out and putting it in so I know you can I will have it look Kathy but there’s a better answer but my answer would be to go ahead and just don’t sell classics into your red cycle center bins there’s already a plastic liner in there so it’s not a necessity to actually have the plastic in there if that makes sense and then just keep reusing the plastic bag so hope that answered your question let’s go down a few more just a quick question this is from Alexandra how would you clean Reidsville bags don’t suppose they could go into a commercial okay so it’s a great question it depends on the bag that you have so sticky beats which is a popular one and it can go into a dishwasher it does wear and tear them a lot quicker then they would like because I know from experience so a lot of times you either hikes I can only speak and four build Ola they can be rinsed out obviously the soapy water and we have it we put up a air dry system which was just made with old rods that they had in the maintenance shed where we put them over to air dry we line dry them with a clothesline clothes pins signa steel I’m Vegard ride that way there is a few that I have that are made with that have a lining and sticky because the lining it’s mostly just wiped out so what happens is the logo comes off on their bag and kind of goes everywhere and it actually makes their bags look dirty terney so I unfortunately would say hand-washing is the way to go now I have put them in the washing machine on a

gentle cycle and again the logo does tend to go fast it does clean them very well and it doesn’t distort the bags so I don’t know that commercial dishwasher would probably be the same but again it’s just a lifespan of the bag that you’re taking but it can be done but you will you will see them to tear it faster than they probably should so I hope that answered your question I will try to find the perfect bag down a line which can go into a commercial dishwasher or washing machine that comes out perfect I’m sure okay Jan how do you secure a paper label from flexi schools to a paper bag okay I didn’t have a phone call with Kimber key and again Northern Beaches Council TIFF and some other cardboard recycling manufacturers they did not seem to have a problem with the food label being on the paper bag so again you do get different conversations from people but they use it as an example if they’re using a cardboard box and you’re mailing that occur overseas and that has a label on it or you’re mailing it anywhere and it has it label on it that can be recycled so the plastic the plastic tag of flexi schools label onto the paper bag can be recycled from what I’ve been told again it depends on who’s taking your cardboard and recycling because everyone’s got different plants that it goes to and I don’t know what school you’re from so you have to find out a hundred percent if it can’t now if it can’t the best thing to do is to go reusable because then you can print the flexi school labels onto an a4 sheet you can guillotine them cut them and they go right into the slot into the reusable bags that I’ve talked about so again and it eliminates a paper bag so a for me again it’s kind of a no-brainer if you can get the reusable bags it eliminates two things the waste of the bag and the waste of the sticker so in the back of the sticker can’t be recycled so there’s a lot of reasons to stop using the sticker I know it’s convenient but it’s really not that much different when you start guillotine and shoving it in for P double si for the kids that leave the property they do not leave with a recent reusable bag they leave at some schools with a paper bag obviously so they can because the reusables won’t come back sticky tape is used and again it’s a very small amount with the paper label to secure it and that shouldn’t affect the recycling of the bag so I hope that answered your question Jim okay let’s see this is from anonymous ok we already have it plenty of heat cups of people don’t actually use them ok so this is a good one coffee cups which we all know is a terrible pollutant and cannot be recycled and the only thing I can say is to stop using coffee cups I’m not sure if you’re serving coffee in them because I think only high some High School’s do that is you’re just gonna have to get a reusable cup because coffee cups is just straight to landfill and it’s just as bad as single-use plastic so again it’s using a cup here’s a rice husk one that has the silicon which is biodegradable which is eco-friendly I can tell you how to get this if you want to speak to me if you don’t need to have a lid on it and you want to put stuff in it you know that can be a melamine cup that we see at every cafe now MLM is not my favorite but it’s fantastic and it can be reused and reused and reused and reused you can raise them but popcorn in them you can put press pretzels you can put fruit salads you can put the juice it all depends on what exactly you want to put in them so if you want to email me later at my email and tell me exactly what you want to use it for I might be able to give you a more specific solution but a reusable cup is going to be your option and again even if that is a reusable cup that you get you know the colored ones from Ikea I don’t encourage fine propylene aplastic but I understand you’ve got to start somewhere and you can use them for a hundred different reasons I kind of hope that helps let’s see Stephanie do you have any advice on how to get the holes communicate how’d you get the whole school community on board no and I say that because it isn’t as easy as you think which is I’m sure why you’re asking the majority think it’s great love what you’re doing but it’s never you’re never gonna get the entire school community on board about anything that happens in a school whether that’s what events you’re doing for fundraising what programs your sports programs you’re running how many air conditioners do you need and definitely about you know a sustainability program out of a school canteen and school but I definitely

think it’s happening right now they can’t avoid it it is the state of the planet you know they all you can do is keep showing them I guess progress and what that might be is landfill decreasing the landfill from X amount to X amount showing them the rewards of what the canteens doing the children are doing the schools doing you know the goals that you’re kicking because I’ll tell you what the students really embrace this program they love to recycle they will go home and tell their parents how to recycle they are proud of what their school is doing you know with the teachers on board and implementing maybe education behind the program and making it fun for the kids and yeah I guess it’s really just showing explaining why you’re doing it now why are we doing this because right now our canteen is selling five hundred water bottles a month what does that equate to showing them figures and sizes and the way stealing waste audits do mean trash audits at your school and showing them visually to the school community in the newsletter on your websites so they can see how much waste at your beautiful school you’re generating and then how many how you you know decrease those numbers and how proud the kids are and I think with those bit-by-bit you’ll get more and more school community behind you but it is it is hard and it’s gonna be hard in the beginning but you got to latch on to the people that support you and use that and help facilitate them and positive reinforcement in ideas so I hope that helps out um apparently the new healthy canteen guidelines specify low fat not regular milk okay so analyse that much of a new stuff wells guidelines so I guess I’m not going to tell you what you should and shouldn’t do cut in the canteen alright there’s ways around everything and I think if common sense is telling you that that’s probably not the most nutritious item I think that it becomes an occasional food and there’s a way is to not use that I’ve been in about eight schools in the last couple weeks and none of them so low-fat milk and none of them use margarine so I’ll just leave that with you to kind of yeah you facilitate what you think is nutritious and you know if that means that you need to say you have those things or not have those things and not have anything to replace them you know that’s that’s your call can cutlery be washed in the dishwasher and still I mean yes most definitely in a commercial dishwasher and in your double bowl see everything that’s reusable can be washed I know people heard that rumor for a while about the titanium and that it couldn’t be washed in a domestic dishwasher I have to be very clear domestic dishwashers are not allowed in to wash utensils or containers in a school canteen it needs to be done in the double bowl sink the correct way which you can get all that information on the food and healthy standard website on how to sanitize properly and I would suggest to have it on your wall so everyone knows how to do it even the volunteers when they come in and everyone knows how much to put in each thing and how you should be doing it properly but and absolutely in a commercial dishwasher they’re completely fun to watch cakes are buy a pack a good company bio packets fantastic company we’re not going to knock anyone that’s trying to eliminate plastic and its core single-use but I have to be very clear which I do mention early or bio pack does make a bioplastic when bio plastics are not the best choice for recycling and for breaking down and ending up in the ocean and the beaches so it is definitely not a choice I would suggest it is also very expensive they also have requirements for their compost abilities so a lot of their items they sell cannot be composted in a school composter or domestic it needs a commercial composter and you’re gonna have to get that to the correct facility to break it down so biotech does offer straws and obviously things with out of the micro plastics please make sure if you can actually correctly compost it if you’ve got something or if it’s gonna biodegrade

the way they say it will ninety days in a campaign a domestic composter and a school compost garden I would suggest you try it but my advice would be to avoid the micro plastics at all costs the cornstarch is all those that are gonna break down the cutlery that are gonna break down into little bits so unfortunately I was reusable is the best way to go or cardboard and paper only because we know it can be recycled in its truest form so I hope that helps Kate Susy what is the best way to clean a silicon baking mats I used them and found that I can put it back too because they yeah unfortunately Susy I do find they do become greasy baking soda I found was really good and cleaning like I think an old cleaning tip from way back that did help sanitizing them properly in the correct sanitizer and the baking soda but I think that’s just a natural compound of the silicon it does have that film but it’s not dirty if you’re cleaning it properly so I do the baking soda hot water scrub them and we hang dry them instead of stacking them on top of each other I find it does tend to get a little bit greasy as well but they’re a fantastic alternative to baking paper they cannot be recycled baking paper isn’t it’s good there is a compostable biodegradable paper from I believe it’s alpha foods that is a lot better than actual baking paper so you might want to look into that and if you need more information on that just give me a call but I would suggest trying the silicon and maybe trying different mats I know there’s some called a greener they’re a little bit fiddly but they don’t get as greasy they do wind up like in a little ball but they don’t get as greasy as some of the six that thick silicon max that people can buy so I might just be trying to find the right product but try one more time cause yeah baking paper it’s a pretty wasteful item but thank you so much for asking Susie all right Sophie can you tell me more about the rice us also existing products are made okay so just briefly because I think this is a conversation I can have if you got to email me I have been developing these for a year trying to come up with a product that can tick boxes for canteen managers so the rice has looks like it actually looks like it’s not it’s made from the whole of rice and if you want a googol rice husk and what it’s made from it’s you do it so you can understand a little bit more about it and this is an example of the bento box so you can put hot cold in there it goes to 120 degrees it can’t be put in the freezer it can be put in the dishwasher it can be put in the pie warmer can’t be put in your oven if you keep it at let me know about 80 degrees so you know what what I wanted to do was have something that went that ticked all of our boxes as canteen managers where you can have things hot cold clean them quickly they go in the commercial dishwasher and this is the product that I found that is the best if it breaks cracks for some reason you can bury it it will biodegrade naturally in six to nine months it doesn’t leak any toxins but this is a private product that I have had made and it does have everything with it like the cutlery the cups small boxes small round containers so for maybe yogurts fruit salads whatever else you might sell it all just depends every canteen is going to be different and have different needs so I have found this to be the best product being HEPA friendly and ticking all the boxes that we need so yeah so maybe just email me and I can give you more information about that and how schools and the packs there’s kits for schools obviously you don’t have to buy everything maybe you want to start with just the cutlery there is a couple different options and you know that’s what they look like so happy to share any of that information and more information I thought the rice has privately just because there’s so many questions right now I hope that’s okay Thank You Sophie um with CJ Frye I think we talked about recycling as much as we can but most of the items like Southwest and paper get covered in food I thought items had to be cleaned to be recycled yeah well they do but inside a canteen if you’re doing your soft if you’re doing your commingling obviously anything that we have jars of mayonnaise Kansas say butter chicken sauce Posada all of those can be cleaned out on our end and recycle properly we can only do so much for the kids soft plastics are generally not too messy I deal with them all the time it’s usually use lees and

crisps and everything but I think we need to be clear that you have to be recycling so even though it’s not our first choice we can’t teach kids not to recycle so if something spots something on it and the school grounds say yogurt it has to be recycled anyway so I guess we’ll leave that with this recycling plants it may not get recycled it’s when you dump a lots of food in the commingling say food gets dumped it goes across everything and it gets contaminated you have an issue but it’s a really tricky one because you can’t enough recycle we have to recycle and you have to do the best you can and we have to teach the kids to do the best they can I guess this is kind of touches on why I love no bins in school because if kids are bringing yogurt tubs and squeeze new yogurts whatever anything else that might be messy they should be taking that home to their house and being responsible for their own waste as opposed to dumping it in the school recycling and possibly contaminating what we’re trying to do which is recycle correctly so it’s a tough one but I think at the end of the day yes if it’s covered with food it’s not going to get recycled it’s gonna contaminate it but you’ve got to try and you’ve got to teach them the soft rock sticks you’ve got to teach them to recycle it anyway and let the red cycle centers and the recycling plants handle that situation as far as paper most paper can be recycled even if it’s soils a little now if it’s saturated with food no it’s not gonna be recycled and again these are both great great questions because it’s why we should be reusing everything because once we foil them it’s very unlikely they will not be recycled so if we are reusing everything and selling items in reusable containers that can be easily cleaned and if we’re not offering packaged food items that can be messy then there’s no problem so again it goes back to that’s really where we want to focus is on reusing and eliminating as much use of paper as possible and eliminating as much use soft plastics coming from the canteen I know you can’t change what’s coming from home and that’s why I’d like it’s to take their soft plastics home with them in their lunchbox and not contaminate the school’s stuff with it or not to have them at all because if the canteen is not selling any soft plastics I’m not sure why the canteen or the school should be responsible for taking all of the children’s rubbish to the read cycle center so again this is every school’s different every opinions different but I feel that if they’re going to bring rubbish to school they should take rubbish home and recycle it into their own recycling systems so I hope that answered your question reusing is just always better ok do you know of schools that have their own washing stations where students can bring their own waste free options I did seminar I do believe there is a small Catholic school and I can’t to be honest remember the name and they bring their own containers but that’s the only one I’ve ever heard of so again I think that depends I don’t believe a big school could do that maybe a school of 250 I think this schools only opened two days a week might have 200 maybe only 40 kids order from the canteen it is doable where they have their container there again that’s just up to the canteen I guess if they want to facilitate that if they can obviously everything has to come back and be sanitized properly but it’s definitely a reusing option that is fantastic you just have to it just if it suits your school I guess if they’re bringing you a bunch of plastic containers are you putting hot food in it is that leeching toxins can it go into the pie warmer probably not it depends on ya what type of container it is and how you’re gonna keep that food warm yeah I like a spaghetti I don’t really know how that’s gonna work even if it’s a stainless steel I guess you as a canteen manager gonna have to go straight from oven to container and hope that it’s not gonna affect the children as far as temperature and stuff so it is a bit of a tricky one I would think that it won’t work at most schools hope that helped Thanks is it more difficult to implement these changes if your canteen soon hmm okay so this is anonymous they want to know about a third party tinder I would say most definitely it’s gonna be tricky because if you’ve got a campaign that is a tender so it’s a lease and they’re already there it’s going to be very tricky to implement it halfway through their lease so I guess you in this case

you may have to wait till the tender runs out and I’m in the process of working with the high school that is doing the same thing and what is happening is in their tender agreement they have puts in it what they the lessee will have to do to meet these sustainability requirements so whether that is to reuse reusables whether that is to use only recyclable materials or cardboard bamboo or to implement a company like pack 360 which is a company that you buy all the containers from them they supply your bins they pick up all the compostable material if they take it all to their plant they compost it it all gets composted ethically responsibly without any microplastics and I only mention them because it’s one that I’m familiar with and another company called waste ninja and they’re both both companies are part of those wat for good program that the waste ninja will pick up waste for them as well Fleck your compost and stuff so I just it is possible but it will incur a cost to them or it’s how you offset the cost is the school going to pay for them to use the sustainable a better company in these containers or is the cost go to them it’s going to be very tricky in the in the interim are they there but I think if you implement it when the tenders up you just hopefully have to find the right person that will take the tender so I hope that I hope that helps Honda what about juice flavored milk cow canteen replace them okay so yeah so again it depends I think it’s Vonda what you want to do about your juice in your milk so if you don’t want to be a waste-free canteen you just want to get rid of Plested you say you have juice like Neely juice um unfortunately they have a straw so a lot of campaigns have stopped using them we’ve been putting pressure and pressure on them to remove the straw all together and let canteens just give the students a paper straw or to not use a straw I’m having the same conversation with Emma and Tom’s as well which is a the best flavored milk I think on the market because it’s naturally flavored a lot of schools that I work at I don’t have flavored milk that’s artificially flavored so Emma and Tom’s are very eager to probably eliminate the straw and leave it up to the canteen to have a straw available being a paper straw or a reusable straw for the children to to take or to not take I think you’ll find some kids just drink it right out of it but otherwise you can put the paper straw in the bag with a drink or if you don’t want to have any waste it’s using the leak-proof drinks so the stainless-steel drink cups or Li any type of I’d say leak-proof because obviously you’re gonna have to fill them and put them in a basket or on a counter and you don’t tipping over you’ve got to be very careful so the leak-proof is important so you’re either going to use a leak-proof reusable cup which is cup which is ideal or you’re going to use recyclable nudee which I’m not I love their juice but I’m not a proponent of their straw so I’m hoping they’re gonna work that I’ve seen but they are returning urn and they are recyclable so they do have a positive and same with Emma and tongs but it’s very hard to find youth any type of popper any type of juice that doesn’t come with a plastic straw so that is why schools tend to go with the no leak because you just can’t find it without straw at the moment so I encourage anyone that’s interested email Navy email MN tongs ask them to develop it they both know that canteen managers are cancelling them left right and center that are trying to eliminate that plastic straw because if you don’t have plastic straws in a canteen but then you’ve got a maybe juice you’re kind of sending the wrong message you’re contradicting yourself with the kids and they’re pretty well aware of it and they will come up and say how come I got a straw when you’re telling us not to use a straw so they really got to try to figure out how you’re going to eliminate batches and then I guess the last thing is is that does your school really need the juice I know they’re moneymakers for the canteen however some schools that we’ve implemented this programs that they don’t even sell juice anymore they their decision is do kids really need juice at school they might sell the Parmalat milk with a paper straw and let them have water so again this is what happens when you’re thinking about these ideas you have to ask yourself is it nutritionally viable do they really need it and if your answer is yes how can you replace it with about most you know sustainable option possible so I hope that I hope that helps okay Sophie what are the benefits of using

silicon in reusable containers I’m not sure silicon in reusable containers not sure what that means exactly Sophie but I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s been this it’s just better than using plastics because there are no toxins in it and it breaks down naturally and doesn’t emit toxins when you’re done with the silicon it is a better choice then plastic so I wouldn’t necessarily are those are benefits except for you’re not using plastic which is toxic and doesn’t break down so that’s why a lot of the options oh I think you mean for like the cupcake liners I think that’s why a lot of schools have opted for that one it can be very inexpensive some of them are dual purpose so when you schools use those cupcake liners they put ice cream in it they put frozen juice in it they put fruit cups in it popcorn in them they’re cheap and they’re more they’re just more eco-friendly so and obviously they come back so that is I guess the benefit to it instead of using plastic Jan I can see any suggestions for sustainable ice blocks Oh Lord a thousand students and we saw about five hundred say okay South in a perfect world you would make homemade ice and holes in the trays for those students with the sticks gelato is another great one again that would be five hundred scoops today you can scoop them free scoop them freeze them have them ready when you have volunteers in there that’s a great option I’m just trying to think the other thing is if you can’t get away from that making sure what you have is recyclable so you know if you’ve got an icy pole like a eliminate icy pole that has the cover on it with the stick that can be recycled in the soft plastics and the stick can be in compost or it can be in paper cardboard smooth is which I’m on the fence about because they can be recycled in the yellow recycling but they do when you cut them have that little end that we put in the yellow bin anyway that’s a tricky one that can be recycled I know Juicy’s can’t with scum like clippo style and clippos cannot be recycled so a lot of ice creams that have that wax lining cannot be recycled so obviously anything homemade is the way to go however if you want to make sure that then if you can’t get rid of things just check with a manufacturer if they can be recycled I mean that’s really all I can suggest the other thing is scooping you know the ice cream onto cones but obviously you know you’re gonna need to have volunteers for that so everything has to kind of fit your school’s needs I hope that helped if it is a tricky one with icy poles you know that’s a lot of students a thousand and one hundred so I think my best suggestion is if you can’t do the homemade ice blocks you can do them small you can do them big you can invest in the same Estill make ice equal makers but you obviously gonna have to have a freezer to put them in you know is to make sure what you’re serving it can be recycled so hope that helped it is a bit of a tricky one okay good question how many extra hours with a canteen manager need per day to implement these changes so I have to be honest and say it’s gonna be different for everybody because it depends on what you’re implementing how many hours you’re already given most canteen manager I think at five to six hours so how fast you work how many volunteers you get what exactly you’re doing do you have a commercial dishwasher so it’s going to vary I’m definitely gonna say you’re gonna need your full six hours and tell do you have a sustainability team that’s helping you bring in stuff are you using bins are they bringing them to the counter so if this is something you’re seriously thinking about it’s probably an email question to me I need to know how many students you have I need to know what you’re thinking of doing how many lunches you do a day how many specials you have so there’s a lot of area variable questions for how many hours it’s gonna take you know something that might take me five hours it might take someone that I work with six and a half maybe I have volunteers that say maybe I don’t but a hundred percent it will take you six hours and probably a little bit more until you get everything dialed down but there’s lots of variables that go into that for me to be able to help answer that specifically for you yeah so if you’re not if you’re just implementing getting rid of single-use plastic like the basic stuff it’s not

going to make a difference but once you start using reusables it’s gonna make a difference but that’s why you need the support from everybody else and probably extra help until that happens from your PNC convener from your subcommittee from volunteers letting them know that you’re implementing this program yeah so email me separately if you’re serious about it and that goes for everybody because it’s on a case-to-case basis in order for me to answer that kind of 100% Kathy thank you that did answer to and about dropping off for the supermarket yeah recycling is full true I don’t know what to say if it is little then you might have to come back but email me and look at me a chance to kind of research it a bit better but I do feel like I’m gonna come up with that answer but if you want to go with the compostable bag the more eco-friendly bag I’ll get a delete for that and I know that’s been asked before in sustainable New South Wales Facebook page so let me look into that but just email me to remind me but otherwise yeah I know I mean I’ve been driving around for a week sometime in the soft plastics in my car waiting for that thing to go down so it is a tricky one um let’s see hope everyone’s still hanging in there do you have any suggestions on how to encourage parents who packed their children’s lunch to take a similar approach the canteen excuse me even if the canteen do what they can parent stuff correct so biggest nightmare in the world I totally agree parents packed so much waste and again that’s why I go back to why I feel it’s very important for kids to take home their own rubbish and show their parents exactly how much rubbish they’re accumulating because when the canteen when the school provides a bin system parents don’t get to see all the waste that we’re accumulating on the school property because we’re taking care of it so that is a huge reason why I really want schools to focus on a node bin system or start with a bin system and then kind of figure out of that and slowly break away from that especially soft plastics but what was I going to say about that the only thing I’ve done in the past is I’ve taken photos of all the ziplock bags in my landfill because the kids will hide their full sandwiches which are commonly in a ziploc bag or cling film I’m hiding in landfill right because they don’t want anyone to know that they’re throwing it away and they don’t take it home because they don’t want to get in trouble so common-sense stuff so I have taken it all out I’m taking photos posted it in our newsletter posted in the school’s our canteen Facebook page to show the parents what’s happening with their beautiful sandwiches in a non recyclable item you know and how they’re being wasted so I do that a lot I do do informational newsletter content talking about food waste talking about soft plastic photos of the soft plastics on a Friday which are can be see in a massive pile it’s just sharing that information letting parents know getting the schools to do waste-free wednesdays which i know a lot of schools do some have stopped maybe doing more of those but i guess you know it’s just education and unfortunately you know parents it is an easy thing and we’re all guilty of it grabbing you know the cookies in a thing that come in 10 different bags as opposed to buying them in bulk and putting them in you know a reusable thing or a bento box with little containers so I guess it’s just education and trying to show them all the waste with images so parents never see what we see so maybe it’s laying out all the yogurt pouches that are predominantly carnation all the sandwiches all the ways doing the waste audit as I suggested and showing all the rubbish is that they arrange the school and give them tips on how to eliminate that so you can find tips like that all over the Internet I’ve done a lot of articles like that just popping in a school newsletter so that’s kind all I can kind of suggest and it’s a tough one thanks for that question excuse me for a sec okay Kathy about milkshakes in schools so I think I kind of touched on that earlier but keep house perfect knots they only really they come you can get keep cups I think in 250 ml 350 ml five with email they’re perfect for milkshakes so they’ve closed the lid on them not all of them have an open spot some of them have that closely if it becomes a

problem where they’re spilling it might be something where milkshakes need to be picked up at the canteen window if not you know it’s just trial and error to see what cups work as I mentioned before there are leak proof cups you just kind of have to search for them I can give you clues on them if you want to email me but yeah that’s an easy fix milkshakes depends on how many do but it just has to be a leak proof reusable top like the cheapest way are the $2 keep cups from Target Kmart things like that you know okay keen to know what other schools use for making their own icy pools that is healthy and cost-effective okay so I can only speak where the schools I know so I know a lot of squeeze use your generic 100% juice with no added sugar and they water it down so it becomes very diluted half-and-half a lot of them put fresh berries in them a lot of some other schools will use organic or non-organic coconut milk you know with it berries in it with coconut in it I mean really honestly you can think of anything or at some schools that have a bigger canteen budget where these organic juice will do green juices will use some schools even squeeze their own juices so it’s wherever you stand with your budget and how much you can spend in your purchasing you can go from as low scale to a $2 bottle of 100% natural juice no artificial colors flavors no added sugar and I’ll eat half of that it literally makes an icy fool about eight cents each and then you can pack it with blueberries raspberries strawberries what you want frozen berries to cut costs fresh berries so with icy poles you can pretty much do whatever you want I know some people do coconut milk with cacao to make it chocolate fresh strawberries with milk blend it in a blender then you’ve got strawberry natural flavored strawberry I suppose you know I know some schools use flavored milk unfortunately not my favorite go-to thing lot and they pour that into their icy pole holders so yeah I think there’s quite a few options there but really you can just do anything and it is extremely cost effective that is a fantastic moneymaker if you sell the small ones you can sell them for 50 cents to a dollar you know get the larger and more the bigger icicles sell them from 2 $3 and your cost to make that would probably be anywhere from 20 cents to 80 cents depending on what you’re putting in it ok I just go down as a few more okay sorry okay have you tried reusable stainless steel lunch boxes with names with kids buy and bring into the canteen and take home for cleaning each day no I have not good idea most definitely do I think they’ll remember to bring them back probably not so a few hiccups with that one but if you implement that I love it but I’m I’m not sure what you’re putting in them it’s just a sandwich it doesn’t have sections or because hot food is tricky with stainless steel saying the still cannot go into a dishwasher either it gets scratched up terribly so they will need to be hand washed I was using stainless steel for the sushi baby bentos for a while as a trial which regret which works great because they’re cold so anything cold that’s gonna go into them is fantastic I’m not quite sure about putting hot stuff in them if the kids if you have a program that you can implement like at the beginning of the year and every student is responsible to bring I’m not sure you know with their name on it you will probably get a child that orders lunch that doesn’t have one so you might have to have spare isn’t that big of a deal but yeah the cleaning is a bit of a if they take it home to clean I guess that’s fine these are all great ideas I’m just not sure what you’re serving in them and if it’s gonna suit all your needs but it might so yeah I’m not 100% sure I’d have to see exactly what you’re gonna use that for you know I like the idea of them purchasing it another way to offset your cost of buying reusable bags and reusable containers is to implement you know a sustainability levy a cost on flexi schools we have one on flexi schools that when you go on before you order your first lunch you know you pay

for that bag to use it all year so there’s a certain fee you could do the same for a container or you could just make it all one price to use everything that you’re implementing every year now let’s be clear that once they pay that here they’ll pay next year and you’re still using the same product so now you’re making money hung fully on what you’ve invested so it’s a fantastic way to recoup your cost of all the reusable items that you’ve purchased so that’s a very easy way there’s also sustainability levy that you can put into your PNC that can offset costs of the reasonable program as well obviously that has to be approved by school and PNC but I know some schools are doing that now and talking about doing that I know some parents would be happy to pay for that as opposed to pay for you know something else at PNC magazine that they might pay $15 for they might be happy to donate $25 or as part of their school fees to offset the costs to run this program yeah so I guess digressed a bit but on the same is steel yeah I’m just not sure if you would fit everything in it like if Tom ordered a sandwich with a fruit salad with a banana bread if it’s all gonna fit in that container if it’s all gonna get mushed together hey you gonna separate it or is he gonna have two containers and stainless steel can be kind of expensive so price-wise it can be a bit tricky so if you wanted to talk to me more about that definitely email me privately and let me know more in depth what you want to use it for I’m let me just see if I’ve missed some here so I hope that answered that question I’m a student my school is not entirely on board with all the sustainable option I have talked with teachers and leadership councils but haven’t been able to progress due to financial problems on the sinning how do I encourage my school to implement even basic sustainable options this is anonymous you know I it’s hard I can give all the suggestions I’ve already given the only way for schools to get on board is for to go for you to go to PNC meetings for you to show statistics to for you to show solutions I guess and numbers so you know that means you doing a little bit of research and saying how much this might cost how you might be able to help with you know with those costs or some ideas for fundraising but really it’s just keeping up emails to the school suggestions yeah it’s a real hard one when you’re students but it’s really you just need to get the school on board and I guess it’s just keep knocking on doors sending emails suggestions and helping them with ideas to implement it but I’m really I feel bad like I can answer that one fully but it’s just really just to keep persisting and persisting and persisting and show and giving them solutions because they probably don’t know how to fix the problem but if you can give them a solution to the problem and the benefits of doing it whether that’s financial or environmental then I think you know eventually they’re gonna have to hopefully come to the party that’s all I can say sorry hope that helps okay all right let’s see it’s going up do you have the brand of the lovely clear okay so do you know the brand of the lovely clear landfill bin it’s not one I’ve seen and looks sniffing okay yes I do you know the branch is from Queensland from a company called Rudd a lot of schools those were from wheeler heights and when about two years ago we had about 33 schools come to do a tour of wheeler heights and the program because at the time we were the first one to implement anything like that those things I we purchased for a lot of different reasons one being that the birds can’t get in it they’re very sturdy they were color-coordinated they were guaranteed warranty etc and most importantly they have that c3 bin which is what it’s called and when I was doing a lot of work with the environment of coastal centre in and their waste team it was suggested that we show the kids just how much waste they were generating on a daily basis now as you can see that photo there’s not a lot which is absolutely fantastic but at the time it was horrendous so their name is red are you d Queensland I’m not this is easier bin and a lot of schools I know in the northern beaches have that exact same thing system set up that helps um see sea hats okay Sarah’s asking do you have suggestions for things like fruit salads or yogurt and usually they go into lunch bags the media okay so reusable containers now I’ll go from like the really low end which is the one sitting in the lost-and-found right now that we’ve cleaned we put

fruit salads and those we at certain schools fruit salads yogurts all that stuff anything that’s gonna need to lid it easily can go into those small containers that are left behind months after we tried to find the owner and we right returned to the canteen or sticker goes on it returned to the canteen the property of the canteen property of wheeler Heights or bill go that wherever it might be however there’s also small containers like that that would be perfect these are the ones made oh the rice husk if you’re interested let me know I’m the goodness is the only one that has these you can go to stores obviously and get plastic foods public containers I would urge you not to only because of you know they’ll be here for five hundred years however you know any container with the lids gonna do reusing what you have already there in the canteen or in lost-and-found or implementing these eco-friendly rice husk ones which come into fixed sizes or whatever fits your budget so again if you want to contact me privately if you have to go a certain direction for certain reason and then I can discuss with you but there’s definitely an option out there for you to use 100% because actually let me just let me think while I’m talking a lot of the containers if you wanted to use cardboard they will soak especially with yogurt they’re not gonna be any good and then a lot of them that are food grade will have that wax lining that’s a lot of people buy and they think that it’s because it’s cardboard that hates recyclable and even if you put say popcorn in it because of that wax lining it’s not recyclable so be very careful when you’re looking at paper cardboard compostable biodegradable that you researched your product because most likely it’s not gonna break down the way you can get it so again anyway let me know Sarah Smith email me and we can talk about what you want what you want to get for those items okay Sarah our canteen serves roles with feelings just tuna made Mayo we currently wrap and cling wrap who to put in the tub suggestions for alternatives okay fantastic suggestions beeswax wraps on upset okay there’s they last forever if you treat them correctly you can read them every six months or whatever you need to yeah that’s a fantastic solution or if you need to put them in a reusable container if you’ve got containers you can put them into a reusable bento box but cheapest easiest right call your local boomerang bags see if they’ve got any extra fabric lining lying around you can get beeswax all over the place now call the environmental coastal center google it they’ll help you Council might even have ideas get some moms dads grandparents around dip your cloths do your beeswax it’s actually quite fun and that is the perfect solution the cling film you do not need cling film anymore it’s a terrible nuisance it cannot be broken down yes so if you can not for some reason due to these wax wraps you put them in a paper bag so you can get paper bags that are exact length like a rack blank like you know sausage and a bundling you or squares you get a hundred different sizes of paper bags and I would be putting in that but my first suggestion would obviously be to make the beeswax racks super simple very cost effective sanitize it properly you know at the end of the day you’re going to have to get it back so you’re gonna have something to let how you’re gonna get that back and it’s gonna be you know a little tricky in the beginning but if you’re gonna get rid of cling film you can use beeswax Rex to wrap everything your banana bread you can make scrolls your garlic breads your cookies your muffins virtually everything so thanks they’re a great question okay see come your expense this is from Vonda again from your experience with the school’s using reusable systems does it all come back or is it scattered around the playground great question and now it does not all come back in the beginning and it is definitely trial and error and every school is different every school think the children are different at every school principals are different teachers are different in the sense of what I by that is how they help facilitate the program and I have to say at the Lola plateau they did very well they had I’m sure some loss but it’s a very minimal

compared to say example wheeler Heights in the beginning kids were throwing stuff in the bin to hide that they didn’t eat it they were using those sports for digging in the ground they were using cups to dig in the ground so when it’s very important to have the principal on board to support the program to let the children know if they do not put things in the correct bin if you have bins if they do not return them to the canteen properly a they will something will happen they may have to pick up trash during recess and lunch they may be you they may be rewarded for doing the right thing or they may be reprimanded for doing the wrong thing that’s however the school wants to take it but yes I would I would be lying if I said don’t expect to lose a percentage of your stuff in the beginning because it’s your learning they’re learning education is key giving them time to understand what you’re doing why you’re doing it where it should go and if they don’t do it correctly there’ll be consequences or you think you do it correctly they’ll be rewarded whether that’s a canteen voucher or an icy pole in the beginning until they learn or however your school wants to run it but again I strongly feel the lessons you have on the property the less opportunity they have to throw anything away in the wrong rim I think all reusable should come straight to the canteen we get it faster you can wash it quicker you can clean it better now the quicker you get it to the canteen as opposed to waiting for the bins to come in it just becomes second nature for kids they should be taking their label off they should be shaking their bags they should be scraping their food plates they should be doing all these things anyways hopefully at home ideally they should be doing all of that it’ll make your job easier and it’s just how it should work it’s similar to I guess I could say to like the UK to America to other schools in Asia where they have cafeteria style so it’s that’s all it is when they bring everything back they take it all out you guys wash it put it back in but you will see some loss but yes the less things the better none is great if that’s not a possibility teachers makes it the enforce it if they see somebody dropping a container on the ground a cup on the ground digging in the ground with the floor they need shavax the canteen program the the investment that you’ve all put into this stuff and get the kids in the kids need to either be reprimanded and again or rewarded for bringing everything back in the beginning so yeah you will see someone lost but hopefully you know it’s practice practice practice practice okay and fun warm we currently serve roughly hundreds of pasta bowls per day they are taken takeaway plastic containers that can be frozen and sitting the pie warmer we also use similar containers for wedges soup fried rice etc we are struggling to find alternatives again that’s a lot you would have to invest into that container that can do what you want which is I did mention the rice house it can be polypropylene alike high-density plastic that doesn’t leak anything I don’t want to go down that route but I understand everybody can buy everything in the beginning wedges I don’t know why those can’t be served in maybe a paper bag they don’t need to really be in a container fried rice you might be able to look for something for fried rice it can probably go into a cardboard box that’s not line that’s food grade it’s not going to leach that much if you’re not able to do everything reasonable possibles unfortunately I think that you would have to invest in reusable containers and if that takes a roughly 200 containers a day and you’d have and you’d have them that go into the freezer that the ones that go into the probably warmer and the kids would have to return him into a reasonable system that you’d have we have the possible one there is nothing that he is there is compostable ones but again unless you’ve got a compost a commercial composter or someone that’s gonna pick them up you could implement like I said earlier a company like PAC 360 there’s and there’s several other ones that will give you all the containers but this is going to be at a cost and contouring cost you’re gonna have to pay for bins pay for pickup so going with the reusables it’s going to be a way better way to go but the wedges I think you can get bags if you can’t obviously they might have a little bit grease in them but you know this is when it becomes tricky when you design a menu you have to also design a menu that’s gonna fit your sustainability needs so you might

have to cut things out a that are not as nutritious as you know not that I Trisha say should probably go first and secondly do you need all that food can you make all that food with this new program so a menu rehaul is almost 99% needed every time a sustainability program is put into place like schools so again I’d love to talk to you more about it I can you know I can kind of look at your menu give you some other ideas if anyone wants to email me after please do so if you want to know more about the containers and what they’re made of and how much they cost and or anything else that I might be able to do to help you please let me know and I hope you’ve enjoyed the webinar where they appreciate the council they’re gonna send you a survey straight now right after I’m done the swap for good team will send you a survey please fill it out we’d love to hear what you have to say if there’s something I miss I’m sure there is please let me know but please email me because every school is really specific so I probably just need to know a little bit more about you if I didn’t hit if I didn’t answer it correctly thanks so much really appreciate your time thank you everybody